WEBVTT 1 00:01:02.330 --> 00:01:03.920 John Compton: Good evening, everybody. 2 00:01:07.490 --> 00:01:08.370 John Compton: Hi! 3 00:01:08.790 --> 00:01:09.750 Robert Gilmore: Mary! John! 4 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:13.359 John Compton: Larry! Harry! 5 00:01:25.450 --> 00:01:26.440 John Compton: Huh! 6 00:01:34.520 --> 00:01:35.500 John Compton: Philip! 7 00:01:36.810 --> 00:01:38.320 John Compton: My news fell up. 8 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:46.169 Joan Mahaffey: It might be Philip Mantle. 9 00:01:49.130 --> 00:01:51.950 John Compton: yeah. but may 10 00:01:53.740 --> 00:01:54.869 Peter Nagrod: not. So Tony 11 00:02:12.370 --> 00:02:16.260 John Compton: came and he went. Okay. 12 00:02:17.390 --> 00:02:20.820 I tell you what, since we have a 13 00:02:20.880 --> 00:02:22.409 John Compton: very large 14 00:02:23.010 --> 00:02:29.740 Peter Nagrod: agenda. My 15 00:02:32.200 --> 00:02:39.689 John Compton: ending time was totally off. So I've changed it on the 16 00:02:40.410 --> 00:02:44.439 John Compton: what I'm gonna show. But let's call 17 00:02:44.740 --> 00:02:49.719 John Compton: the meeting of the February Town Council to order 18 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:54.549 John Compton: first order business is to 19 00:02:55.410 --> 00:02:58.330 John Compton: somewhere. I have there it is. 20 00:02:58.850 --> 00:03:00.630 John Compton: it says. 21 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:09.270 John Compton: to approve the agenda. So anyone wanna most motion to approve the agenda. Thank you, Peter. 22 00:03:09.550 --> 00:03:13.120 John Compton: Okay. So 23 00:03:13.310 --> 00:03:32.919 John Compton: just a comment about the agenda, as I told the council in in in a in an email, the the business we really absolutely want to get through is there are 4 rfps that are being 24 00:03:33.260 --> 00:03:45.249 John Compton: but to the Council for approval to distribute. And we wanna have our additional discussion, additional initial discussion about the adu ordinance. 25 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:55.180 John Compton: The other things may or may may be deferable as time allows, but they're on the agenda where they are. 26 00:03:55.510 --> 00:04:02.870 John Compton: and we'll just see how how well we do. So I think anybody have anything else to say about the agenda. 27 00:04:04.250 --> 00:04:08.540 John Compton: if not all in favor of approving the agenda shown. 28 00:04:08.700 --> 00:04:11.969 Peter Nagrod: Hi, thanks. 29 00:04:12.220 --> 00:04:13.300 John Compton: Okay. 30 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:19.950 John Compton: brings us to a personal appearances. I know, for a fact. We have one. 31 00:04:20.200 --> 00:04:22.500 John Compton: Meredith. 32 00:04:23.180 --> 00:04:32.230 horan: Yes, so hello, everyone. Good evening. John. I will not read the letter. If you were able to circulate it to counsel 33 00:04:32.910 --> 00:04:36.720 John Compton: Thought you did. 34 00:04:37.180 --> 00:04:41.080 horan: No, I have not seen it. 35 00:04:41.200 --> 00:04:45.089 horan: Alright. I let me take a moment and read it. Then. 36 00:04:46.870 --> 00:04:50.259 horan: Dated today to the Mayor and council. 37 00:04:50.980 --> 00:04:57.649 horan: Can you hear me? Okay, good. Okay. I attended my first racic meeting yesterday. 38 00:04:57.990 --> 00:05:09.039 horan: Today I'm wearing 2 hats, that of a 65 year resident of the town of Washington Grove, and that of co-chair of the one fiftieth Anniversary Committee. 39 00:05:09.620 --> 00:05:17.369 horan: I've had a good life here, and creating a one fiftieth bonanza filled me with lots of potless, positive energy. 40 00:05:18.280 --> 00:05:25.580 horan: Yesterday Racic voted to send you a request to drop the name of Mccatheran from the Catherine Hall. 41 00:05:25.890 --> 00:05:37.999 horan: This idea stems from 2 concerns, first, that when he was young, Roy Mccatheran, engaged in minstrel show style, musical entertainment. 42 00:05:38.100 --> 00:05:42.350 horan: a genre which has been interpreted as mocking blacks. 43 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:51.200 horan: The committee also says he failed to remove or adjust racial property covenants inherited from founding fathers. 44 00:05:52.170 --> 00:06:00.530 horan: Both these issues are clearly linked to times, and should not be used as an assault on a remarkable man before the vote. 45 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:12.189 horan: I said that this proposal should bring a mix of laughter and disdain in the community. Unnecessary character. Assassination of Roy Mccatheran also devaluates 46 00:06:12.220 --> 00:06:27.870 horan: Devalues. The exceptional work of his son Don, and defames all family members, especially those that live among us. Racic confronted the race issue last issue with resolution. 2023 dot dash, O one! This new proposal 47 00:06:27.960 --> 00:06:41.460 horan: could have addressed been addressed there. But it seems this group wanted to stoke a fire. The small volunteer group that met yesterday was composed of 10 members, only 6 of whom are town residents. 48 00:06:41.630 --> 00:06:54.640 horan: I feel that they are interpreting this incorrectly and making some personal attacks. I recommend, viewing Phil Edwards, Montgomery history, tomorrow at 2 Pm. 49 00:06:54.750 --> 00:06:57.829 horan: On the town for a well-researched. 50 00:06:58.730 --> 00:07:20.310 horan: a perspective on the town, and you can also view it the week following. I'm also strongly recommending that the Council drop the proposal when it arrives. The update I have from today is Phil Edwards is writing a narrative on the subject to be completed by your next meeting in March. 51 00:07:20.740 --> 00:07:23.889 horan: So that's all I have. I'm finished. 52 00:07:24.430 --> 00:07:25.420 horan: Thank you. 53 00:07:25.980 --> 00:07:26.860 Peter Nagrod: Thank you. 54 00:07:27.990 --> 00:07:34.000 Peter Nagrod: Thank you. Meredith. Ii just want to make an initial comment 55 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:43.779 John Compton: that you know, Meredith, addressing something that happened perfectly, you know, in public, in a, in a meeting here in town, we, the the Council 56 00:07:44.180 --> 00:07:45.240 John Compton: is is 57 00:07:45.640 --> 00:07:49.990 John Compton: has not received, nor have I anything from racing 58 00:07:50.190 --> 00:08:01.259 John Compton: addressing the issue Meredith concerned about. So my suggestion is that we take her comments in. Keep her comments in mind. 59 00:08:01.330 --> 00:08:08.879 John Compton: And when this arrives, and indeed is is 60 00:08:08.930 --> 00:08:11.269 John Compton: The Council has a 61 00:08:12.260 --> 00:08:17.830 John Compton: opportunity to address it then, we can 62 00:08:18.160 --> 00:08:28.490 John Compton: discuss the the some of the things that Meredith has raised respecting her view of the proposal. Okay, thank you, Meredith. 63 00:08:29.370 --> 00:08:32.340 John Compton: Okay, anybody else. 64 00:08:35.820 --> 00:08:47.259 John Compton: People are joining the meeting left and right here. Okay, in that case we'll close the public appearances and we will go on to the treasures. Report January's report. 65 00:08:47.790 --> 00:08:52.039 Sara Jean Moyer: gene is here to add color to an otherwise 66 00:08:52.070 --> 00:08:58.140 John Compton: black and white report. So 67 00:08:58.290 --> 00:09:10.419 Sara Jean Moyer: Jane, so you can hear me. Right? Okay. again, I have the comments here. I do want to point out you'll see a big jump 68 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:21.069 Sara Jean Moyer: in the first 2 income line items in the comment. Future receipts will be lower, as most of, you know, property taxes. 69 00:09:21.310 --> 00:09:23.599 Sara Jean Moyer: Most of us 70 00:09:23.810 --> 00:09:28.120 Sara Jean Moyer: pay a second installment by the end of December. 71 00:09:28.210 --> 00:09:34.720 Sara Jean Moyer: and there's a month lag before I receive that money. So we got a 6 digit check. 72 00:09:34.790 --> 00:09:39.089 Sara Jean Moyer: not check money in the bank direct. Deposit 73 00:09:39.130 --> 00:10:02.729 Sara Jean Moyer: for real property taxes in January. But that's when we get the big chunk. We don't get like a twelfth every month. As it comes in they give it to us a month later, so there will be dribs and drabs coming in for the balance of the fiscal year, is my only comment. Don't expect that percentages to 74 00:10:02.820 --> 00:10:07.280 Sara Jean Moyer: continued on that trajectory. 75 00:10:07.560 --> 00:10:13.779 Sara Jean Moyer: So I did want to point that out. All the other comments I always keep from previous months. 76 00:10:13.990 --> 00:10:24.460 Sara Jean Moyer: John, if you just want to scroll through. If anybody has any particular items they have a question about or don't understand. 77 00:10:24.610 --> 00:10:31.530 Sara Jean Moyer: I don't know. Do we wanna talk at all? In the expenses next page 78 00:10:32.100 --> 00:10:46.559 Sara Jean Moyer: down the storm water projects just as a reminder. We have what's called deferred revenue. It's money we got from the Federal Government to cover this, we got it up front 79 00:10:46.590 --> 00:10:53.040 Sara Jean Moyer: we were not allowed to consider it revenue when we got the big chunk of money. 80 00:10:53.190 --> 00:11:05.709 Sara Jean Moyer: As we spend it. We're allowed to kind of, if you want to think of it as reimbursing ourselves from that pot of restricted money. So 81 00:11:05.990 --> 00:11:24.720 Sara Jean Moyer: as we incur expenses which to date have been almost 13,000. The fact that there is no budget there. It should not be any kind of alarm bells, but I wanted to periodically remind folks of how we handle that. 82 00:11:24.870 --> 00:11:44.259 Sara Jean Moyer: Are there any questions before we move on on? That is, that is that 13,000 consulting fees? Yes, that's it's mostly Sultz. And then that little bit of repair work on chestnut so if you go further down 83 00:11:44.490 --> 00:11:55.000 Sara Jean Moyer: you'll see big Chunk in the Catherine hall. Maintenance. We did have that big sprinkler repair project that is hopefully finished. 84 00:11:55.160 --> 00:11:58.459 Sara Jean Moyer: That is new from prior month. 85 00:11:59.110 --> 00:12:05.010 Sara Jean Moyer: and there's really nothing more new as you go down 86 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:08.419 Sara Jean Moyer: as you get 87 00:12:08.680 --> 00:12:13.400 Sara Jean Moyer: on 88 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:15.660 Sara Jean Moyer: to the bottom. There! 89 00:12:22.790 --> 00:12:29.090 Peter Nagrod: That's one other question. When you come back to trash. I thought that recycling 90 00:12:29.270 --> 00:12:32.639 Peter Nagrod: was a little bit more than the trash collection. Is that not right? 91 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:45.599 Sara Jean Moyer: I have to go look at a bill. There's 2 different numbers, and I'll have to go look at a bill 92 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:49.839 Sara Jean Moyer: to remember which number is which. 93 00:12:49.940 --> 00:12:56.540 Sara Jean Moyer: So we base. We base the. The. The budget spread was based on what we anticipated it to be. 94 00:12:56.700 --> 00:12:57.510 Sara Jean Moyer: Yeah. 95 00:12:57.680 --> 00:13:00.680 Peter Nagrod: they're they're not too far different. 96 00:13:05.830 --> 00:13:08.910 Sara Jean Moyer: They do. Bill is separately for each on the bill. 97 00:13:11.390 --> 00:13:21.290 Sara Jean Moyer: Okay? So the only thing I will mention down at the very bottom where I put the bank balances. You'll see there 98 00:13:21.350 --> 00:13:31.140 Sara Jean Moyer: in the MLGI. P. Account. We segregate out the Arpa funds, the how much remains to be spent? 99 00:13:31.360 --> 00:13:38.950 Sara Jean Moyer: So I have that there, and you'll see a very large amount in the money market at Pnc. 100 00:13:39.130 --> 00:13:46.670 Sara Jean Moyer: 4, 453,000. I'm going to be moving a large part of that out soon 101 00:13:46.690 --> 00:14:03.700 Sara Jean Moyer: and putting it in Ml. Gip, because the money markets only insured up to 250,000. So you'll see a shift. I'll put it into the Mlg. IP. Because that is extremely secure money. 102 00:14:04.020 --> 00:14:14.740 Sara Jean Moyer: which is why so much of our money is in there. But if anybody wondered why we have so much in the money market, that is where that 6 digit property tax payment went into. 103 00:14:14.790 --> 00:14:22.109 Sara Jean Moyer: I meant, really jumped it up. So I'll be moving that much. this coming week. 104 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:24.810 Sara Jean Moyer: That's it. 105 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:30.120 John Compton: Okay, anybody have questions for Jane on the treasurer's report 106 00:14:32.170 --> 00:14:34.570 Sara Jean Moyer: motion to approve the treasurer's report, please. 107 00:14:36.560 --> 00:14:38.310 Barbara: This is Barbara so moved. 108 00:14:38.770 --> 00:14:39.860 Robert Gilmore: I'll second. 109 00:14:40.490 --> 00:14:42.430 John Compton: Okay. Rob seconded 110 00:14:42.530 --> 00:14:44.630 Sara Jean Moyer: any any more discussion. 111 00:14:44.990 --> 00:14:47.420 Sara Jean Moyer: all in favor. Please raise your hand. 112 00:14:47.470 --> 00:14:48.760 Eva: Aye. 113 00:14:49.190 --> 00:14:53.150 John Compton: okay, thank you. British Board is accepted. 114 00:14:53.690 --> 00:15:01.450 John Compton: Okay, Jane, you. II thought it was appropriate for that at this meeting to 115 00:15:01.540 --> 00:15:12.109 John Compton: review the budget preparation timeline so, and for committees, and anyone requesting money 116 00:15:12.310 --> 00:15:16.390 John Compton: or anything coming fiscal year. 117 00:15:16.460 --> 00:15:23.020 Sara Jean Moyer: F, y's on that. Yeah. I looked at the sheet we prepared last year as far as trying to work on timing 118 00:15:23.750 --> 00:15:32.409 Sara Jean Moyer: and last year we held. I held a a Zoom Meeting, just a brief meeting with key 119 00:15:32.680 --> 00:15:36.689 Sara Jean Moyer: committee members just to kind of go over what 120 00:15:37.280 --> 00:15:44.349 Sara Jean Moyer: things to think about when they put a budget together, and the timing of when we need it. I think some people found that helpful. 121 00:15:44.520 --> 00:15:52.700 Sara Jean Moyer: so we can do that again. I was planning, John. I looked at our timing from last year. 122 00:15:52.760 --> 00:15:57.599 Sara Jean Moyer: and if committees and work groups got their 123 00:15:58.120 --> 00:16:01.460 Sara Jean Moyer: thoughts written budgets, even if they're just 124 00:16:01.950 --> 00:16:07.449 Sara Jean Moyer: in any format that they can get them to me by March third. 125 00:16:09.380 --> 00:16:14.300 Sara Jean Moyer: that should put us in good planning. 126 00:16:14.710 --> 00:16:21.719 John Compton: okay, so so that's she's Jean's referring to the initial budget Numbers Council. 127 00:16:21.980 --> 00:16:23.409 John Compton: Yeah. Yeah. I mean. 128 00:16:24.130 --> 00:16:38.090 John Compton: anybody can submit a number. But of course the Council will take a look at it, and you know, you'll want everybody want to justify whatever number everybody's familiar with that. It's just that we want to be sure 129 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:43.190 John Compton: that all the committees are on right time on. 130 00:16:43.540 --> 00:16:44.830 So that we 131 00:16:45.050 --> 00:16:59.149 Sara Jean Moyer: yeah, in looking at the March calendar, we generally provide a budget draft to Council in the third week of March 132 00:16:59.650 --> 00:17:11.490 Sara Jean Moyer: middle of March, third week of March. Somewhere in there, I was thinking maybe March eighteenth. and then have the Council workshop on March 20, fifth 133 00:17:11.900 --> 00:17:17.079 Sara Jean Moyer: and then final council review on April eighth 134 00:17:18.050 --> 00:17:19.940 John Compton: at the council meeting. So 135 00:17:20.430 --> 00:17:29.469 John Compton: okay, so Jean is proposing March 20, fifth for the Council budget 136 00:17:29.760 --> 00:17:30.690 John Compton: session. 137 00:17:31.880 --> 00:17:33.240 John Compton: Anybody have a 138 00:17:34.350 --> 00:17:36.759 John Compton: significant objection to that? 139 00:17:37.500 --> 00:17:38.870 Eva: No objections. 140 00:17:39.370 --> 00:17:40.800 John Compton: no objection. 141 00:17:41.260 --> 00:17:55.310 John Compton: Alright. So let's put put put put put it for March twenty-fifth. Good and Jane, we we need to send an email out to all the committee people, every commission to everybody 142 00:17:55.800 --> 00:17:59.879 John Compton: in advance of your march there, just with a little 143 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:03.959 John Compton: a little review of how this will go. 144 00:18:04.100 --> 00:18:08.850 Sara Jean Moyer: Yep. yeah. Work pretty well, by zoom last year. 145 00:18:08.970 --> 00:18:09.650 Okay. 146 00:18:10.900 --> 00:18:12.190 Sara Jean Moyer: good. 147 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:20.970 John Compton: One last thing. And so we're going to get to the stormwater infrastructure maintenance. Rf, 8 148 00:18:21.180 --> 00:18:33.039 John Compton: for which, if the our intention was to spend all of the all of the Arpa funds which we otherwise would have to give back. 149 00:18:33.470 --> 00:18:42.550 John Compton: jeans listed before 25 roughly of the of the awarded amount that remains. 150 00:18:42.560 --> 00:18:48.169 John Compton: However, we have earned a lot of interest on that. 151 00:18:48.560 --> 00:18:51.450 John Compton: Those funds and 152 00:18:51.610 --> 00:18:53.170 John Compton: given the 153 00:18:53.260 --> 00:18:54.500 John Compton: the the 154 00:18:54.660 --> 00:18:59.830 John Compton: Rfp. And the work we're we're planning, II when we get to that, I'm gonna suggest that we 155 00:19:00.100 --> 00:19:03.440 John Compton: include. I mean before I say that 156 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:12.569 John Compton: we also have $250,000 in state funds which does not have to be spent by this year. It has some something like a 7 year period. 157 00:19:12.650 --> 00:19:21.689 John Compton: I'd have to look to know exactly, but we still have multiple years, but we can certainly expend that money as well. 158 00:19:21.820 --> 00:19:30.029 John Compton: So just keep in mind that we have the option of considering the earnings on the Arpa money 159 00:19:32.470 --> 00:19:43.610 John Compton: for the purposes of the Arpa funds. Right now that, of course it. It's just a bookkeeping issue right now. There. It's considered interest and is income. 160 00:19:43.840 --> 00:19:49.219 John Compton: But but we may want, we may want to consider that as 161 00:19:49.650 --> 00:19:50.850 John Compton: allocable 162 00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:55.650 John Compton: for the projects that we're spending money on the 163 00:19:57.350 --> 00:20:00.529 John Compton: and I don't know what that total is. 164 00:20:00.870 --> 00:20:02.189 John Compton: Gene would have to. 165 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:11.019 John Compton: I can work on a calculation while the rest of the meetings going on. Yeah, as well. How much that adds to the 4 25. 166 00:20:11.050 --> 00:20:14.459 John Compton: But we also have the 2 50 from the State. So 167 00:20:14.990 --> 00:20:16.590 John Compton: alright. 168 00:20:18.270 --> 00:20:25.489 Christine Dibble: I can barely hear you. I'm hearing everybody else just fine, and I'm wondering if you could move closer to your microphone. 169 00:20:26.020 --> 00:20:34.640 Christine Dibble: everybody else having trouble hearing seriously. Yup, I can hear everybody else. Fine but you are. 170 00:20:34.660 --> 00:20:39.879 Patrice Klein: I can barely hear you. This is Patty. You're just a little muffled, John. 171 00:20:40.550 --> 00:20:44.430 John Compton: That has only been the case. The last few meetings. Is that correct? 172 00:20:44.840 --> 00:20:49.679 John Compton: II just nothing's different here. I mean, I'm I always said 173 00:20:50.240 --> 00:21:07.829 John Compton: sound good to me. I can give you fine right now. It it was all you moved or did something. You're louder. But but Christine was right before. 174 00:21:08.520 --> 00:21:12.429 John Compton: Yeah, with the screen, a little little little more. Alright, 175 00:21:12.810 --> 00:21:27.430 John Compton: so in that case we did. We vote on accepting the treasurer's report. Okay, so we've accepted the treasurer's report. So we're going on to the mayor's my report 176 00:21:27.690 --> 00:21:41.260 John Compton: the kudos notably go to Steve Worth. Who stepped in to deal with rising water in the furnace room of the hall 177 00:21:41.410 --> 00:21:48.730 John Compton: which was noticed during an event in progress. It was on a Saturday, I think, possibly a Sunday. 178 00:21:49.050 --> 00:21:56.870 John Compton: and because the fire the the an alarm went off. Apparently there's a water alarm in there. 179 00:21:57.030 --> 00:22:04.060 John Compton: and Steve came when Kathy asked him to, and he both 180 00:22:04.420 --> 00:22:07.270 John Compton: got the alarm off and the water 181 00:22:07.300 --> 00:22:13.910 John Compton: stopped coming in and and also pumped out. So save 182 00:22:13.950 --> 00:22:20.469 John Compton: is, you know, we we owe him a lot to deal with that, and not having to call somebody to come in. 183 00:22:20.910 --> 00:22:24.589 Peter Nagrod: Naturally, all these things only happen on weekends as well. 184 00:22:24.770 --> 00:22:27.550 John Compton: So thank you to to Steve. 185 00:22:28.370 --> 00:22:43.170 John Compton: Alright. The shared youth pathway report Jay wrote up a summary from the committee which described the 186 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:47.890 John Compton: The status of the bikeway that the connector 187 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:59.199 John Compton: as you all know, the status is now the the Ndp. And Mcdot is recommending a particular alignment 188 00:22:59.370 --> 00:23:03.369 John Compton: for construction. They had 189 00:23:03.390 --> 00:23:15.570 John Compton: funds in there for further engineering studies, but no funds for construction. So with with Steve Sidney Katz is 190 00:23:15.710 --> 00:23:24.249 John Compton: help! We went before the Transportation Environment Committee of the Council. 191 00:23:24.450 --> 00:23:36.699 John Compton: to advocate. Have Washington or Connector was put on their agenda, which was terrific thing to advocate that the funds we put into the Fy. 25 192 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:43.960 John Compton: capital investment plan, investment, capital improvement plan 193 00:23:43.990 --> 00:24:01.390 John Compton: and again I explained the the reasons why it should be. The mcdot is perfectly amenable, I think, to doing that. Although they're pessimistic that all the ducks will be lined up to actually start the working 194 00:24:01.430 --> 00:24:03.749 John Compton: in in fiscal 25 195 00:24:03.780 --> 00:24:18.609 John Compton: and others hope that the permitting that will be required, and the engineering will actually be accomplished sooner than there 196 00:24:18.740 --> 00:24:19.710 there 197 00:24:20.080 --> 00:24:23.650 John Compton: usual timeline that they assigned to these projects. So 198 00:24:23.940 --> 00:24:35.659 John Compton: I don't know the actual status. I believe it's in there, but I'm checking. So we we want to try and get it in there to get it constructed construction started as early as possible. 199 00:24:35.740 --> 00:25:05.250 Barbara: So that's where that is. So II just wanna jump in I wanna thank John, you, John, for your leadership in this people who have been following it. Know that the county at first, when this all started, you know they were like, Let's go, let's go. And at some point it started slowing down. And we're. We're getting a lot of different reasons why, and no point in going into all of it. But John really was very firm, that, you know, we need to get this done, you can do it. 200 00:25:05.300 --> 00:25:15.750 Barbara: We got Sydney Cast involved. And so that's why we are where we are. We had just waited for the county, we'd still be waiting. So thank you, Jonathan, for showing that leadership. 201 00:25:17.010 --> 00:25:22.539 John Compton: Well, it's it. It takes it first getting into the budget, and then also getting. 202 00:25:22.710 --> 00:25:27.420 John Compton: you know, moving along the current work. So we'll see how well that works. 203 00:25:27.430 --> 00:25:38.410 John Compton: II think we have a pretty good relationship going it's hard to tell. You know they have a lot of balls in the air with Dot. but we're we're going to keep pressing 204 00:25:38.490 --> 00:25:46.629 John Compton: on this. Maybe they'll want to get us out of their hair, and we'll we'll we'll use this as a way to do it 205 00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:50.310 John Compton: by by actually accelerating things. 206 00:25:51.290 --> 00:25:53.990 John Compton: Okay, thank you, Barbara, for that. 207 00:25:54.550 --> 00:26:06.759 John Compton: Next item which is in Peter's report, actually, in the Town Council report, the as I. Most of everybody already knows the dump. The ugly Dumpster enclosure has been removed. 208 00:26:07.050 --> 00:26:10.530 John Compton: It's been repaved. It's like it was never there. 209 00:26:10.580 --> 00:26:22.010 John Compton: If we could get rid of all of the wires in the intersection it would transform. It never been on a possibility. But the dumpster is gone, and 210 00:26:22.080 --> 00:26:31.480 John Compton: the just to remind the Council we are. The plan is for our refuse and recycling 211 00:26:31.750 --> 00:26:35.590 John Compton: company to pick up 212 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:39.940 John Compton: weekly from behind the Commercial 213 00:26:39.950 --> 00:26:45.690 John Compton: Corner Building, their refuse and recycling 214 00:26:45.780 --> 00:26:55.400 John Compton: the Post office has none. They are they they do not. They have to deal with their own trash, because, of course. 215 00:26:55.640 --> 00:27:05.249 John Compton: it's it's it's private it has a lot of personal information. So it's just that the businesses and we started doing that 216 00:27:05.320 --> 00:27:15.109 John Compton: a week or 2 ago, and hopefully, that will work, and and and they will be assessed. A fee just like, yeah. All of us are 217 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:17.749 John Compton: a dwell, a dwelling tax fee. 218 00:27:17.860 --> 00:27:27.489 John Compton: We'll call for this service, starting in with the next fiscal year, which will be the new contract which we're gonna talk about. 219 00:27:28.040 --> 00:27:31.460 John Compton: We're putting out the rfp halfway after tonight. 220 00:27:32.730 --> 00:27:50.679 John Compton: Okay, dear. Management report that's in the Woods Committee just bringing it out here because it's something we we have to act on every year, it goes on. There were 10 deer harvested this season. Thank you, Patty, for managing the 221 00:27:51.000 --> 00:28:00.389 John Compton: the deer hunting program, and you know, and letting everyone know when when the hunters are are present, and 222 00:28:00.580 --> 00:28:02.989 John Compton: with the results on a daily basis. 223 00:28:03.130 --> 00:28:04.529 John Compton: So 224 00:28:05.100 --> 00:28:12.890 John Compton: yeah, so you might say, only 10 were harvested. But that's been roughly the number plus or minus 225 00:28:12.940 --> 00:28:18.530 John Compton: over the years of the program. First year, maybe have had 14 or something. 226 00:28:20.270 --> 00:28:37.669 John Compton: Okay. Next item is, unfortunately, Jeff Mccreean has felt is his his time was drawing him away, and so he has resigned from the Historic Preservation Commission 227 00:28:37.810 --> 00:28:43.979 John Compton: couple of weeks ago. So the Historic Preservation Commission needs a new member. 228 00:28:44.310 --> 00:28:47.429 John Compton: So let's beat the bushes. 229 00:28:47.800 --> 00:28:49.120 John Compton: the 230 00:28:50.410 --> 00:29:02.870 John Compton: general mantra on on our commissions is, you know, it would be great to get someone who's, you know. a yeah younger Commissioner. 231 00:29:02.930 --> 00:29:05.679 John Compton: the fact is that turns out 232 00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:09.650 John Compton: from past experience. Those with the most 233 00:29:09.750 --> 00:29:10.830 John Compton: time 234 00:29:11.750 --> 00:29:14.360 John Compton: are not the younger members of the 235 00:29:14.610 --> 00:29:25.820 John Compton: of of the community, but so anyone at all would be good. So please see what you what what you think, if you think of anyone who possibly would could be 236 00:29:26.070 --> 00:29:32.640 John Compton: could be asked and persuaded. Let me know or let Bob or no chair of Hpc. 237 00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:35.510 John Compton: Alright 238 00:29:35.950 --> 00:29:47.779 John Compton: part of the information for everyone. The Washington Grove is now a member of the National League of cities that they have a significant 239 00:29:48.410 --> 00:29:54.399 John Compton: fei to to join. But the Maryland Municipal League, 240 00:29:54.430 --> 00:30:03.610 John Compton: has, has initiated a program where small towns throughout throughout the State are, are 241 00:30:03.620 --> 00:30:09.510 John Compton: they? They are supporting membership in the National League of Cities. Most of the issues in the National League of Cities 242 00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:11.300 John Compton: revolve around. 243 00:30:11.490 --> 00:30:28.969 John Compton: you know, municipal services that we may not be be offering we go beyond our our government operations, but they do impinge on things like they do act on things like 244 00:30:29.090 --> 00:30:40.340 John Compton: communications, the Fcc regulations and the like. So we really, we do stand to benefit by being able to have a voice. 245 00:30:40.360 --> 00:30:43.960 John Compton: And in the National League of Cities. So 246 00:30:44.290 --> 00:30:47.910 John Compton: we're now, I think we're called auxiliary. 247 00:30:48.190 --> 00:30:49.150 John Compton: not sure what the 248 00:30:49.800 --> 00:30:58.229 John Compton: title is. But basically, we're members, you know. There, there, I've been getting a lot of stuff encouraging us to participate in there 249 00:30:58.420 --> 00:30:59.700 in their 250 00:31:00.980 --> 00:31:06.579 John Compton: you know, planning sessions which they often have here in Washington, of course, because that's where 251 00:31:06.750 --> 00:31:10.639 John Compton: a lot of National League of Cities activity is 252 00:31:12.870 --> 00:31:13.620 John Compton: right. 253 00:31:13.820 --> 00:31:30.400 John Compton: Just on the subject of demographics. Washington. I brought this up last time, and Christine volunteered to dive into the 2020 census data which was made available about 6 months ago. The detail 254 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:45.959 John Compton: data was made available only about 6 months ago. And it will be interesting for the town, I think important for the town to compile what I'm calling the demographics of demographics of Washington Grove. 255 00:31:46.030 --> 00:31:52.799 John Compton: but Christine volunteered to do this, and maybe also be our census liaison. 256 00:31:52.910 --> 00:32:07.509 John Compton: Charlie Charleston did this for years. But he has stepped away from doing that. So thank you, Christine. Someone else had expressed interest, but they declined. 257 00:32:07.530 --> 00:32:12.099 John Compton: So I guess I'm gonna take you up on it if you are still interested. So 258 00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:14.240 John Compton: hopefully, the answer is, yes. 259 00:32:17.590 --> 00:32:34.299 Christine Dibble: yes, although you know, if somebody else is interested, II don't wanna dissuade them. Okay? Okay, sure, yeah, I will. Not really sure what I need to do. But I will get with Charlie and figure it out. 260 00:32:34.800 --> 00:32:36.190 John Compton: Okay, great 261 00:32:37.030 --> 00:32:37.930 thanks. 262 00:32:38.910 --> 00:32:41.490 John Compton: And finally. 263 00:32:41.910 --> 00:32:51.830 John Compton: for those of you who have been hiding the last week, the the the talk that Phil Edwards was given January 264 00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:59.180 John Compton: for the Montgomery Historical Society, which was postponed, was rescheduled for tomorrow at 20'clock 265 00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:04.830 John Compton: I put in the registration link in the agenda if you haven't already registered or interested. 266 00:33:04.950 --> 00:33:05.790 anyway. 267 00:33:08.310 --> 00:33:11.110 John Compton: Okay, that's the end of my report. 268 00:33:11.670 --> 00:33:22.610 John Compton: So we will go on to some more, some substantive matters. The Administrator. I've lumped into the administrative matters all the Rfps. 269 00:33:22.730 --> 00:33:30.359 John Compton: But first the minutes of the public hearing on ordnance on the 270 00:33:31.090 --> 00:33:33.060 John Compton: a. DU. Or 271 00:33:33.260 --> 00:33:35.909 John Compton: which I can put up. 272 00:33:37.390 --> 00:33:44.239 John Compton: There were a few correction revisions that were offered by Barbara 273 00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:49.929 John Compton: which were very what II thought were quite helpful. 274 00:33:50.650 --> 00:33:51.739 John Compton: just because the 275 00:33:51.820 --> 00:33:54.339 John Compton: conversation at that public hearing got 276 00:33:54.490 --> 00:33:56.390 John Compton: got a 277 00:33:56.890 --> 00:34:02.969 John Compton: just joined it. There's one way or just it was just confusing as to what was going on, so she would help that a lot. 278 00:34:03.120 --> 00:34:04.500 And 279 00:34:04.950 --> 00:34:07.329 John Compton: so there was a minor, some minor 280 00:34:08.270 --> 00:34:14.209 John Compton: revisions, all those revisions. We're down here, basically in this section 281 00:34:14.290 --> 00:34:19.100 John Compton: here. We're concerning 282 00:34:19.699 --> 00:34:22.060 John Compton: getting the broadest public input 283 00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:36.479 John Compton: concerns that residents may be unwilling, for some reason, for reasons to express their their concerns about the ordinance. This, this is, keep in mind. This is somebody else's opinion. This is mine. 284 00:34:36.630 --> 00:34:41.469 John Compton: but that's what happened that. And so this is this. Now captures 285 00:34:41.860 --> 00:34:45.500 the 286 00:34:48.020 --> 00:34:49.319 Just the right copy. 287 00:34:50.170 --> 00:35:00.279 Eva: Hey, John, this is Eva. I'm wondering if there's a word missing in the first sentence where it says Counselor Rob Gilmour has concerns about getting broad public. Is this, is it missing the word opinion? 288 00:35:00.670 --> 00:35:01.330 Yep. 289 00:35:05.420 --> 00:35:08.700 Robert Gilmore: or feedback, or something like that? But yeah, opinions? 290 00:35:10.070 --> 00:35:12.540 John Compton: yeah. 291 00:35:14.560 --> 00:35:15.450 half a second 292 00:35:18.080 --> 00:35:20.289 John Compton: bringing up the older 293 00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:30.500 space. 294 00:35:36.640 --> 00:35:39.190 Barbara: II think this. 295 00:35:39.860 --> 00:35:52.509 Barbara: I thought that. Yeah, this is not the right version. I thought had raised that. And Rob had said, Well, this is the time and the place for the input 296 00:35:52.850 --> 00:35:59.269 Barbara: I got. I got the right one. Yeah, I think in your dropbox. It's correct. 297 00:35:59.490 --> 00:36:03.659 John Compton: Apologize for that. So yeah, once again, here's the correction. 298 00:36:03.870 --> 00:36:04.700 John Compton: Yeah. 299 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:08.130 John Compton: it goes on. And the sentences all make sense. Now. 300 00:36:08.610 --> 00:36:13.540 John Compton: so that is, this is. I think. 301 00:36:13.670 --> 00:36:19.349 John Compton: as accurate as possible. There were lots of other things said, this is just, you know, 302 00:36:20.290 --> 00:36:23.900 John Compton: sort of a key. 303 00:36:24.040 --> 00:36:25.400 John Compton: Talking points 304 00:36:25.500 --> 00:36:29.930 John Compton: by by people at that. At that hearing. 305 00:36:30.010 --> 00:36:39.580 John Compton: There were other things said but we're not for that. Anybody who's interested. I have a recording. So you're welcome to listen. 306 00:36:39.870 --> 00:36:44.190 John Compton: but this is a pretty much represents the gist of everybody. 307 00:36:46.590 --> 00:36:55.280 John Compton: Okay, so that as as I said this, what you're seeing now that that was revised. Everything else you read, if you read it at all, was the earlier version of okay. 308 00:36:56.360 --> 00:36:58.450 John Compton: And Barber's right. It's not correct. 309 00:36:59.650 --> 00:37:01.120 John Compton: Okay, 310 00:37:01.980 --> 00:37:08.090 John Compton: If everybody is willing. can someone move to approve. 311 00:37:08.700 --> 00:37:09.630 Peter Nagrod: I'll move. 312 00:37:10.080 --> 00:37:11.120 Kathy Lehman: Who is that? 313 00:37:11.390 --> 00:37:13.180 Kathy Lehman: It's Peter? Thank you. 314 00:37:14.200 --> 00:37:18.960 John Compton: Okay. Peter moved. And second, Barbara Barber. Second, okay. 315 00:37:19.150 --> 00:37:20.460 John Compton: Any discussion 316 00:37:21.160 --> 00:37:24.390 John Compton: all in favor approving the minutes from public hearing? 317 00:37:25.150 --> 00:37:26.040 Eva: Aye. 318 00:37:26.170 --> 00:37:28.010 marywarfield: aye, aye. 319 00:37:29.350 --> 00:37:37.750 John Compton: everybody. then, then we'll go on to the next item, which is the auditing services. Rfp. 320 00:37:38.230 --> 00:37:41.080 John Compton: that I will. 321 00:37:41.980 --> 00:37:43.220 What? Up on that? 322 00:37:46.580 --> 00:37:48.510 Kathy Lehman: The show. 323 00:37:58.470 --> 00:38:13.519 John Compton: But this, this is the Rfp. This Rfp. Was drafted. This is Patty. You need to drop your screen and then show again. Preamble, this was created. 324 00:38:16.190 --> 00:38:31.499 John Compton: more formatting. But that's okay. This was created by by Gene. Using the init the template from 2,019 325 00:38:31.860 --> 00:38:37.300 John Compton: but altered with a with a bunch of things that are more 326 00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:39.439 John Compton: more of a 327 00:38:40.950 --> 00:38:48.329 John Compton: the way audit audit audits are performed now, including electronic 328 00:38:48.510 --> 00:38:55.149 John Compton: review of of the books, etc. Etc. So there's a bunch of details like that. 329 00:38:55.310 --> 00:39:01.419 John Compton: Rob looked it over as well, and between the 2 of them they came up with this. 330 00:39:01.650 --> 00:39:15.820 John Compton: So the proposal is that this be approved by the Council. To go out soon after this meeting Gene has a list of audit firms who 331 00:39:16.150 --> 00:39:19.789 John Compton: have do business with municipalities, who have some 332 00:39:19.970 --> 00:39:34.050 John Compton: experience more, some more, some less, and some of the firms are large. Some of the phones are smaller one of the firms versus our current auditor Lindsay. But for for the request, so 333 00:39:34.320 --> 00:39:37.380 John Compton: anybody, is there any discussion about this? 334 00:39:37.640 --> 00:39:38.570 Honestly? 335 00:39:42.670 --> 00:39:48.889 John Compton: Okay, well, that's great. Then we need a motion to approve this Rfp. For distribution. 336 00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:52.309 marywarfield: I'll move Mary 337 00:39:52.600 --> 00:39:57.360 John Compton: alright. 338 00:39:58.390 --> 00:40:01.520 John Compton: There's no discussion. Let's move under. Vote all in favor. 339 00:40:02.640 --> 00:40:04.870 John Compton: Aye, bye. 340 00:40:04.980 --> 00:40:06.510 John Compton: auditing. 341 00:40:06.730 --> 00:40:10.180 John Compton: Thank you. The auditing Rfb. Will be 342 00:40:11.230 --> 00:40:19.069 John Compton: sent out, Jean. You have that list, and we need to get it over to Kathy. Is that the protocol for Kathy to send it out. 343 00:40:19.460 --> 00:40:20.600 That that's correct. 344 00:40:20.980 --> 00:40:31.500 Sara Jean Moyer: I'll work with Kathy most most Cpa firms these days. Request that you submit them electronically. So I'll work with Kathy unless you want to say. 345 00:40:31.710 --> 00:40:33.789 Sara Jean Moyer: oh, okay. 346 00:40:33.900 --> 00:40:37.109 Kathy Lehman: okay, I can do it. 347 00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:39.859 Kathy Lehman: Okay, we'll work that out. 348 00:40:39.890 --> 00:40:43.910 John Compton: Alright. The next Rfp 349 00:40:43.940 --> 00:40:46.620 John Compton: which I trust will be a very bright one 350 00:40:46.850 --> 00:40:51.160 John Compton: is on our infrastructure management. 351 00:40:51.670 --> 00:40:55.779 Kathy Lehman: rfb, which I'm getting up as with me. 352 00:40:56.200 --> 00:40:57.720 John Compton: And here 353 00:40:58.350 --> 00:41:07.799 John Compton: So this is you know, was a yeah, is a unique to Washington Grove, a new to Washington Grove type of proposal. 354 00:41:08.010 --> 00:41:17.490 John Compton: Just to give credit where credit is due. Patty and Joan and Dave's person 355 00:41:17.570 --> 00:41:23.020 John Compton: worked on the actual written proposal. 356 00:41:23.040 --> 00:41:28.210 John Compton: The description of about the work that we are proposing the strategy 357 00:41:28.260 --> 00:41:44.660 John Compton: other people contributed to. And we took significantly. We use the advice of Jason Mills from Soltes as to what he thought was the way we should go about this and the the 358 00:41:44.690 --> 00:41:46.999 John Compton: the areas of town 359 00:41:47.130 --> 00:41:48.460 John Compton: to 360 00:41:48.520 --> 00:41:54.130 John Compton: to you use in in in the scope of work. 361 00:41:54.730 --> 00:42:02.240 John Compton: Alright, now, there's a lot in this proposal. It is a design build proposal. 362 00:42:02.500 --> 00:42:12.710 John Compton: which means that the the the the the contractors will be responsible of of 363 00:42:12.950 --> 00:42:15.810 John Compton: showing us a design of what they will do. 364 00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:27.580 John Compton: We? We will describe where what we want done, where, but we're not giving them dimensions, or or anything like that but they will come back with. 365 00:42:27.700 --> 00:42:48.389 John Compton: you know, the number of feet of work, what they're going to do, a survey or some some plan diagram, showing what they will do in the various areas that that we will co, that we will call the design and then they will build it forwarded to the contract. 366 00:42:49.040 --> 00:42:53.969 Kathy Lehman: this, a lot of this, this approach allows, you know. 367 00:42:55.970 --> 00:42:59.899 John Compton: absolves us of having expertise in advance to actually 368 00:43:00.420 --> 00:43:10.249 John Compton: do detailed specifications of exactly what we wanted done, something that you know. Some municipalities may have people who are capable of doing that. 369 00:43:10.380 --> 00:43:12.350 John Compton: We certainly don't 370 00:43:12.500 --> 00:43:24.580 John Compton: the other, the other strategy on this is, we have funds that we want to expend in the entirety, and we don't have have unlimited funds. 371 00:43:24.740 --> 00:43:27.729 Kathy Lehman: And normally, our 372 00:43:28.250 --> 00:43:33.789 John Compton: Rfps. We asked, for, you know, a bid to do low work. 373 00:43:33.850 --> 00:43:39.929 John Compton: and we look at the the the best proposal at the lowest price. 374 00:43:40.300 --> 00:43:44.729 John Compton: In this case the suggestion was just to just up front. Say, look. 375 00:43:44.740 --> 00:43:45.760 John Compton: we have 376 00:43:45.940 --> 00:43:50.680 John Compton: so many dollars, and as you're looking here, the number is 500,000. 377 00:43:50.790 --> 00:43:52.109 This point 378 00:43:52.380 --> 00:43:56.520 John Compton: that we that we are budgeting for this project 379 00:43:56.790 --> 00:43:59.050 John Compton: tell us how much work you can do 380 00:44:01.170 --> 00:44:10.949 John Compton: and work needs to be. And then then we have indicated. What? The what the where? Where are the areas where we want the work done? 381 00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:19.829 John Compton: So you see them here? There's 4 phases. They are related to a map which I'm I can show, but it's it's and I will show 382 00:44:19.940 --> 00:44:26.520 John Compton: in a moment. But there are 4 phases that are listed in orders of of priority as far as we're concerned. 383 00:44:26.610 --> 00:44:30.539 John Compton: And so what we're asking the contractors to do 384 00:44:30.600 --> 00:44:36.340 John Compton: is to present a design and itemize expenses 385 00:44:36.390 --> 00:44:40.309 John Compton: for the this work and all 4 of these phases. 386 00:44:41.180 --> 00:44:47.189 John Compton: and also tell us what of this work? Starting with phase one. 387 00:44:47.200 --> 00:44:49.679 John Compton: They can do for $500,000. 388 00:44:50.060 --> 00:44:59.249 John Compton: We're hoping to get that information that will tell us whatever work that can't get done. It'll give us an idea of how much more it would cost to do it because we'll at least have a professional 389 00:44:59.650 --> 00:45:02.670 John Compton: contractor. Estimate of cost. 390 00:45:02.820 --> 00:45:09.049 John Compton: Are these proposed costs? And it will also, of course, tell us how much of the work. We're going to be able to get done 391 00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:11.100 John Compton: with our funds. 392 00:45:11.450 --> 00:45:25.660 John Compton: So that's the strategy of this, and it hopefully covers that. II will tell you that what we're aiming to do tonight is get the Council to approve the this Rfp. In this form. 393 00:45:25.940 --> 00:45:31.410 John Compton: We are going to tinker with it a bit. We're going to send it to Jason. He has not seen it. 394 00:45:31.560 --> 00:45:39.570 John Compton: In in in Rfp form. We did discuss the the what will go into this in in some detail. 395 00:45:39.730 --> 00:45:44.349 John Compton: I let him comment so there might be some wording. And 396 00:45:44.380 --> 00:45:52.520 John Compton: you know other other adjustments that he would suggest that we'll clarify, make it clear what we want. 397 00:45:52.810 --> 00:46:04.479 John Compton: And then it would. Then it would go out. But in order to get on with it. I'm hoping the Council will agree to approve. This is in its concept form, and most of the details. 398 00:46:05.620 --> 00:46:06.860 John Compton: I'm going to go through 399 00:46:07.150 --> 00:46:17.119 John Compton: some of the details. So you know what these phases and where? The where? The work that we're asking to be done, what what work are we talking about doing? 400 00:46:17.290 --> 00:46:19.300 John Compton: And so that's 401 00:46:19.660 --> 00:46:33.670 John Compton: here's the scope of work which is a designs person design. We're doing some cover. So they are the highest. They're high priority. You know. We need that we need new cover, an acorn 402 00:46:33.930 --> 00:46:41.850 John Compton: that we need refurbished covert and entrance and exit of of stormwater at at 403 00:46:42.090 --> 00:46:48.700 John Compton: at Hickory Road and at Chestnut Road. 404 00:46:49.430 --> 00:46:55.839 John Compton: and then we're asking we're with a for work to 405 00:46:56.610 --> 00:46:58.520 John Compton: We currently have swells. 406 00:46:58.590 --> 00:47:03.440 John Compton: They need to be improved and may maintain. So they're more effective. 407 00:47:03.510 --> 00:47:14.000 John Compton: And then what's new is an installation of it's not new. It's an upgrade of existing swells on Chestnut avenue 408 00:47:14.450 --> 00:47:15.810 John Compton: to Bioswales. 409 00:47:16.510 --> 00:47:22.709 John Compton: Alright! Let me just go on down to this is the rest of this. This is all details. 410 00:47:22.810 --> 00:47:24.330 Kathy Lehman: Let me go to Lamp. 411 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:26.360 John Compton: Show you what to work. 412 00:47:26.830 --> 00:47:29.369 John Compton: Now, this is not going to. 413 00:47:29.530 --> 00:47:33.559 Kathy Lehman: It isn't ideal showing, because it doesn't actually 414 00:47:34.160 --> 00:47:39.919 John Compton: resolve. Well, it's not a Pdf, unfortunately, it's a Jpg. 415 00:47:40.250 --> 00:47:43.680 John Compton: Oh. actually, I do have a Pdf. 416 00:47:44.310 --> 00:47:57.249 John Compton: you don't. You don't need to see what's written here. We're gonna ask him to fix this a little bit. Make it clear what's going on. But I I'm gonna tell you the the phase one priority is is here this 417 00:47:57.960 --> 00:47:59.350 John Compton: this 418 00:47:59.740 --> 00:48:07.749 John Compton: You can see my cursor right, the intersection of acorn and chestnut, where there are culverts to be replaced. 419 00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:14.320 John Compton: And there's the the the covert flow into and out of 420 00:48:14.430 --> 00:48:21.100 John Compton: areas that need to be improved to facilitate the water collection. 421 00:48:21.320 --> 00:48:23.270 John Compton: There's 2 cowards. 422 00:48:23.330 --> 00:48:26.619 John Compton: one diagonally running from the corner. 423 00:48:26.660 --> 00:48:30.369 John Compton: acorn and chestnut across to the other corner and one across. 424 00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:32.170 Just a question, Jesse. 425 00:48:32.750 --> 00:48:44.849 John Compton: That's in phase one also in phase, one in this dark week. This rectangle going from the left bottom to toward the top. Right 426 00:48:45.080 --> 00:48:49.430 John Compton: is an area of chestnut. This is a location for a bioswale 427 00:48:51.040 --> 00:48:56.679 John Compton: for those of you who are forgotten. What a Bios whale is. It is, in fact. 428 00:48:56.740 --> 00:48:59.509 John Compton: this here's a diagram. 429 00:48:59.690 --> 00:49:09.890 John Compton: It's a it's a it's a construction of the of a swale which allows absorption of water. Retention of water. 430 00:49:10.350 --> 00:49:12.590 John Compton: Significant bulk water. 431 00:49:12.910 --> 00:49:16.320 John Compton: So you dig down? 432 00:49:16.620 --> 00:49:17.939 John Compton: I think it's like 433 00:49:18.130 --> 00:49:20.700 John Compton: it's more than 3 feet 4 feet. 434 00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:29.539 John Compton: and you start up with creating this this absorption layers, and then you end up with a swale. Looks like a normal swale 435 00:49:29.700 --> 00:49:32.039 John Compton: on top. So that's a bioswale. 436 00:49:32.200 --> 00:49:41.760 John Compton: and that is being proposed for Chestnut Avenue. You can see there's actually 2 segments, the one I just described from Center North North. 437 00:49:41.830 --> 00:49:46.559 John Compton: And then there's a segment from center to down to oh. 438 00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:50.679 John Compton: that bioswale is phase 2. 439 00:49:50.900 --> 00:49:56.490 John Compton: So that's the so. First priority is the top parts whale and the culverts. 440 00:49:56.830 --> 00:50:03.369 John Compton: In addition to these culverts, I should add, there's the culverts to be renovated for their for flow, improvement 441 00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:08.490 John Compton: at on hickory, at hickory and center, right here. 442 00:50:08.850 --> 00:50:12.420 John Compton: and at hickory and oak down here. 443 00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:18.940 John Compton: So all that's phase one phase 2. Is this bioswale, the rest of chestnut here 444 00:50:18.970 --> 00:50:20.540 John Compton: up to oak. 445 00:50:21.040 --> 00:50:29.009 John Compton: and phase 3. Is this swell along 446 00:50:29.630 --> 00:50:31.099 John Compton: along Oak Street. 447 00:50:31.410 --> 00:50:34.310 John Compton: between Chestnut Avenue and Chestnut Road. 448 00:50:34.550 --> 00:50:42.530 John Compton: which needs to be restored to a, you know, depth and capacity and grading 449 00:50:42.670 --> 00:50:45.080 John Compton: that will facilitate 450 00:50:45.410 --> 00:50:53.750 John Compton: flow and phase 4 is the exact is the same sort of thing on center. a little more complicated because there's some pavement 451 00:50:53.880 --> 00:51:01.139 John Compton: involved, etc. But it's essentially the same to facilitate water. Flow 452 00:51:01.150 --> 00:51:06.470 John Compton: between center between Chestnut Road and Chestnut Avenue. 453 00:51:06.740 --> 00:51:14.439 John Compton: So those are the 4 phases. This, this diagram will be marked up. It actually is marked up and shows the phases here. But we're going to. 454 00:51:14.650 --> 00:51:21.380 John Compton: We're gonna improve it by adding the add indicating these culverts over here, making it a little more obvious. 455 00:51:21.490 --> 00:51:27.570 John Compton: making sure that these other things that are on here. This in particular, is clearly not part of the 456 00:51:28.180 --> 00:51:33.890 John Compton: scope of work. Just as a reminder to you. This is a submerged 457 00:51:34.240 --> 00:51:38.540 John Compton: Gravel wetland. 458 00:51:39.210 --> 00:51:40.530 John Compton: which 459 00:51:40.700 --> 00:51:49.100 John Compton: costs a significant amount of money, and but will retain a significant amount of water. 460 00:51:49.140 --> 00:51:50.330 John Compton: of 461 00:51:50.460 --> 00:51:55.649 John Compton: keeping it from flowing across Washington into West Woods. Not part of this 462 00:51:56.000 --> 00:52:00.150 John Compton: this proposal that would be part of the proposal 463 00:52:00.300 --> 00:52:01.919 John Compton: which we still need 464 00:52:02.020 --> 00:52:07.120 John Compton: funds, for, which is the water issues and the with the 465 00:52:07.340 --> 00:52:09.279 John Compton: flow through the rest. Woods. 466 00:52:09.510 --> 00:52:10.190 Oh. 467 00:52:10.460 --> 00:52:14.209 John Compton: which we simply do not have enough funds. We are told. 468 00:52:14.540 --> 00:52:21.229 John Compton: to address that problem as yet. We're going to have to locate funds that will certainly be a target here in the next. 469 00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:27.479 and in the near future to to obtain funding for that 470 00:52:28.430 --> 00:52:40.790 John Compton: alright. So that's the description of where the of what the work is. That's the intentions. There's a bunch of other stuff in here. If anybody has any questions, I think maybe we're at that. I see. Bob 471 00:52:41.110 --> 00:52:42.770 raised his hand. 472 00:52:42.830 --> 00:52:46.180 John Compton: II just 1 one quick comment just for clarification. 473 00:52:46.380 --> 00:52:57.850 Patrice Klein: If you don't mind. The work that we're looking at in this Rfp doesn't is considered existing and repair and maintenance work, and does not require 474 00:52:58.090 --> 00:53:00.010 Patrice Klein: any permitting from the county 475 00:53:00.250 --> 00:53:01.440 Patrice Klein: and 476 00:53:01.470 --> 00:53:15.159 Patrice Klein: gravel wetlands. We talked with Jason about. This will require permitting, so it was another reason to segregate the work aside from the funding as well. So I just want to be clear that we intention to do that. 477 00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:16.939 Patrice Klein: But we need to split it out. 478 00:53:17.570 --> 00:53:21.620 John Compton: This is a very important point, because if you get involved with the county permitting. 479 00:53:21.760 --> 00:53:25.200 John Compton: not only does it cost money, but it takes time. 480 00:53:25.250 --> 00:53:30.619 John Compton: So we're we've we expect we have avoided it 481 00:53:30.630 --> 00:53:35.990 John Compton: because all of what we're doing is is maintenance of existing 482 00:53:36.200 --> 00:53:40.240 John Compton: water water control features in town. 483 00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:41.860 Nothing nothing new. 484 00:53:43.200 --> 00:53:53.760 Peter Nagrod: John. I have 1 one call it an observation, because II think this is fantastic and you know it's desperately needed. 485 00:53:53.830 --> 00:54:00.919 Peter Nagrod: So in our meetings. We talked about 486 00:54:01.590 --> 00:54:08.140 Peter Nagrod: the Washington at Washington Grove Lane. between Mccauley and Grove Avenue. 487 00:54:09.200 --> 00:54:10.859 Peter Nagrod: You kind of know what I'm talking about. 488 00:54:11.640 --> 00:54:24.299 Peter Nagrod: Okay, that area there is virtually impassable the sidewalk after rain. It's it's she device, and the women 489 00:54:24.990 --> 00:54:44.160 Peter Nagrod: weeks ago most of us don't walk there, so we don't see it, but it was discussed, and you know I can go to the county and say it's your side walk. You gotta fix this, but the water is all on. It's all coming from tap to town, and a lot of it's on town property. 490 00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:46.730 Peter Nagrod: and I'm just wondering. 491 00:54:48.190 --> 00:54:59.259 Peter Nagrod: Yep, we've looked at that again, cause I know, Jay, you know I mentioned it to Jason. He had a few comments, but then it's been. you know, it's it's out of sight for most town residents. So it's kind of ignored. But 492 00:54:59.460 --> 00:55:03.650 like I said, it's it's it's terrible that people had had to try to walk along there. 493 00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:17.529 Patrice Klein: I know it's outside the scope of this project, as you pointed out, and if I'm remembering correctly, I think that some of that water, I think there is also a 494 00:55:17.740 --> 00:55:23.439 Patrice Klein: culvert underneath that area. I know it sort of spills over onto the town crest 495 00:55:23.550 --> 00:55:33.240 Patrice Klein: side over by day, Lily, so I don't know. I'm exactly in the right spot that you're describing. But that's now also become a bit of a problem for some folks on 496 00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:40.870 Patrice Klein: day, Lily, because they're actually getting water coming through their backyard from town crest that flows through their property. 497 00:55:40.950 --> 00:55:57.460 Peter Nagrod: Then there's a little culvert on day Lily itself that jumps into the West woods. No, I'm talking about. I'm talking about that side. That sidewalk should be walkable period, I mean, that's 498 00:55:57.600 --> 00:56:16.400 Peter Nagrod: and that's you know, it's it's technically the county. But it's also part of the town. And I just, you know, just bringing it up, because that's something. you know, which, as a town, especially especially re reading about the fact that we want to put a sidewalk in there 499 00:56:16.680 --> 00:56:37.069 Peter Nagrod: is. Does that come down to where we have? Is it like Fourth Avenue, or something? Is that like the Collie Washington Fourth Avenue. I'm just mentioning it, because if there's you know, any opportunity to do anything, or maybe we can talk about it. I just wanted to bring it up, though. 500 00:56:37.980 --> 00:56:38.660 Sure. 501 00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:47.309 John Compton: Okay, well, Peter, I'm gonna draw on this map. I guess everybody's looking at. Explain again where this is. 502 00:56:47.380 --> 00:56:50.960 Peter Nagrod: So is that if that's it's it's between the calling 503 00:56:51.240 --> 00:56:56.359 Peter Nagrod: and you're Washington Grove, where Grove Avenue comes out on Washington Grove Lane. 504 00:56:56.930 --> 00:57:01.079 John Compton: Yeah, that's it. Comes down. It's by that last house, and it kind of all 505 00:57:01.130 --> 00:57:02.390 Patrice Klein: diagonal. 506 00:57:02.420 --> 00:57:08.089 Peter Nagrod: It's it's like right before. When I was right before Grove Avenue it's between Mccauley and Grove Avenue. 507 00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:16.030 Patrice Klein: It's growth that extends and ends at Washington Grove Lane. Yeah, that's it. 508 00:57:16.950 --> 00:57:29.440 John Compton: Oh, so you you you're talking about. I see Growth Avenue, which is no, it's on what it's on Washington. It's a sidewalk on Washington Grove late. Yeah, it's a little bit. It's a little bit 509 00:57:29.870 --> 00:57:43.779 John Compton: it's almost there. It's at the top but a little bit. Yeah. Washington Grove Lane. Alright. Well, it was clearly outside the scope of our concerns for this Rf. 510 00:57:44.560 --> 00:57:50.330 John Compton: Other residents have raised other area pointed to other areas which have 511 00:57:50.520 --> 00:57:52.620 John Compton: water. 512 00:57:52.680 --> 00:58:01.019 John Compton: I've raised water concern. So this by no means addresses all the 513 00:58:01.140 --> 00:58:08.649 John Compton: concerns around town. Peter's just spoken about one which is not was not on the radar for this project. 514 00:58:08.960 --> 00:58:15.940 John Compton: So we're just going to have to keep at that and and decide how we're how we can address each one of them. 515 00:58:15.980 --> 00:58:30.209 John Compton: This one Lisa and Peter we could talk about. We should talk about this. We'll start with the county and move forward. If I remember correctly, the property owner. There, there's a house there actually has. I think it's like some black 516 00:58:30.220 --> 00:58:37.690 Patrice Klein: plastic tubing, because they're draining water off their property as well, which is then going down into that little triangular 517 00:58:37.740 --> 00:58:44.539 Patrice Klein: vegetation area that is Grove Avenue, and then it all ends out on Washington Grove Lane. We we were there and we talked about it. 518 00:58:45.690 --> 00:58:47.940 Peter Nagrod: Umhm. Okay. 519 00:58:49.030 --> 00:58:50.030 John Compton: okay. 520 00:58:50.170 --> 00:58:54.140 John Compton: Alright. Bob is at his hand up, and then Rob wants to go. 521 00:58:55.190 --> 00:59:07.660 Robert Booher: Yeah, I have a number of concerns about the the Rfp. probably the biggest biggest concern I've kind of mentioned or brought this up before 522 00:59:07.940 --> 00:59:16.159 Robert Booher: is the the engineering or or lack of engineering included in any of any of the phases so far. 523 00:59:16.510 --> 00:59:27.740 Robert Booher: And we've talked in the past. We've said, Oh, don't worry. The engineering will be done in the next phase or the next phase in the next phase. And then what I'm what I'm seeing here 524 00:59:27.900 --> 00:59:30.880 Robert Booher: is that the actual engineering 525 00:59:31.330 --> 00:59:33.420 Robert Booher: is to be pushed. 526 00:59:33.710 --> 00:59:45.669 Robert Booher: Actually, there's no, it may be the intent is to push it into the the rfp. But it. Nowhere does it actually indicate any engineering is required 527 00:59:45.890 --> 00:59:54.120 Robert Booher: at all. So we've come to a point where we're going to award a contract without really any serious engineering, and when I say engineering. 528 00:59:54.570 --> 01:00:19.810 Robert Booher: it's, you know, engineers deal with numbers, they deal with quantities. They they figure out what the current situation is by quantity. By quantifying all of this they quantify the flow. In this case they would quantify the existing flows and the problems, and then they would propose a various solutions, and quantify those solutions to indicate 529 01:00:19.900 --> 01:00:27.440 Robert Booher: how much of the how the flows are altered for the benefit largely. 530 01:00:27.980 --> 01:00:33.819 Robert Booher: and I don't see that here. So I don't. I don't actually see any quantities indicating 531 01:00:33.860 --> 01:00:49.980 Robert Booher: the problem. The quantity of the problem you know well, how much of a problem do we have and where the where, the where the problems are specifically in terms, again, in terms of quantities, so that we can balance what the what the positives and negatives are. 532 01:00:50.140 --> 01:00:54.129 Robert Booher: and in the solutions that that are are being 533 01:00:54.520 --> 01:01:01.229 Robert Booher: proposed here. This is not a schematic design. It's more of a conceptual design scope design. 534 01:01:01.370 --> 01:01:03.859 Robert Booher: It doesn't indicate 535 01:01:04.630 --> 01:01:07.409 one how much of the problem. 536 01:01:07.690 --> 01:01:25.869 Robert Booher: these these proposed solutions are are handling, or even the size, for example, that there's no sizing of any of the swailes or sizing of any of the pipes. There's no sizing of the bioswale, which is the retention and and sort of the balance between 537 01:01:26.810 --> 01:01:34.580 Robert Booher: the sizing of the pipes, which presumably they would upgrade the sizes of the pipes and and the Swailes would increase the flow. 538 01:01:34.660 --> 01:01:49.449 Robert Booher: and then the Bios wells are, are designed to retain the flow or reduce the flow, so that downstream from all of this, which is the West Woods, we really don't have an an idea of how much the flows 539 01:01:49.500 --> 01:01:54.010 Robert Booher: would be impacted by by this particular conceptual design. 540 01:01:54.610 --> 01:01:57.940 Robert Booher: and if we put it off to the. 541 01:01:58.390 --> 01:02:04.610 Kathy Lehman: to the contractors who are going to be bidding on this. There's no real way to compare 542 01:02:04.970 --> 01:02:12.870 Robert Booher: the various designs, cause they they will either not do the not do the engineering. It doesn't, doesn't call for them to do the engineering. 543 01:02:14.160 --> 01:02:26.470 Robert Booher: And and if we do call for them to do the engineering, then one group is going to propose one solution and one size which produces a certain flow. 544 01:02:26.490 --> 01:02:37.999 Robert Booher: and another group will will produce a different size. And it's it's really no, there's no way for us to compare it. There'd be no way for anybody to compare it. 545 01:02:38.070 --> 01:02:52.659 Robert Booher: Unless unless there's an engineer hired to actually oversee this. So we have a situation in my mind that that is very rife for for potential problems and and abuse. Even 546 01:02:52.950 --> 01:02:58.969 Robert Booher: so, I see us getting into a situation where we're not really 547 01:02:58.990 --> 01:03:01.709 Robert Booher: properly allocating our money. 548 01:03:01.860 --> 01:03:09.360 Robert Booher: I mean the whole. The whole concept of saying, Hey, our goal is to spend $500, which is literally what it says. 549 01:03:09.390 --> 01:03:18.740 Robert Booher: R. Our goal is actually to reduce the flows and impacts on the west woods. But we don't have a way to quantify how that is happening. 550 01:03:19.000 --> 01:03:31.409 Robert Booher: We'll only actually have a way to quantify with the money that we're we're that's going out the door and not the benefit that it's actually providing. So that's that's a general comment. I have a bunch of specific comments, too, which I can 551 01:03:32.160 --> 01:03:39.259 Robert Booher: add for for people, if if they wish or I can. I can write a commentary on it if you wish. 552 01:03:42.140 --> 01:03:46.140 John Compton: Well, okay, you've made a global criticism. 553 01:03:46.710 --> 01:03:49.700 John Compton: just to start off with. And 554 01:03:50.070 --> 01:03:53.869 John Compton: since you were part of the initial 555 01:03:55.430 --> 01:03:56.250 John Compton: top. 556 01:03:57.080 --> 01:04:04.869 John Compton: the the contract was sold. As to evaluate. you know what what sort of improvements 557 01:04:05.380 --> 01:04:06.130 would 558 01:04:06.540 --> 01:04:07.940 John Compton: rectify 559 01:04:08.700 --> 01:04:20.840 John Compton: issues in the area that we are aware of, due to water flow, excess, water flow, and the west woods flow into the West woods. 560 01:04:20.850 --> 01:04:23.449 John Compton: Those were bay. Those are basically the 2, 561 01:04:23.730 --> 01:04:29.879 John Compton: you know, a little bit amorphous things we asked saltes to do. 562 01:04:30.500 --> 01:04:32.929 John Compton: but they they were not asked 563 01:04:33.560 --> 01:04:37.780 John Compton: to do a full engineering evaluation 564 01:04:37.920 --> 01:04:41.659 John Compton: of storm water, flood, water, flow in town. 565 01:04:41.950 --> 01:04:53.230 John Compton: I believe the reason there were 2 reasons. We we didn't ask for. Not that it couldn't be done. I'm I'm not sure. I suppose it could be done, but it certainly couldn't be done without 566 01:04:54.120 --> 01:05:12.960 John Compton: somebody measuring flows which requires some some events, so it would would take time to obtain such a detailed flow analysis, or which then the engineering? Your your that that 567 01:05:13.140 --> 01:05:14.530 John Compton: there 568 01:05:14.720 --> 01:05:19.089 John Compton: the engineering results. The result of of 569 01:05:19.220 --> 01:05:20.400 John Compton: proposed 570 01:05:20.720 --> 01:05:23.570 John Compton: modifications could be evaluated. 571 01:05:23.810 --> 01:05:29.660 John Compton: And we don't. We don't have that. And we we decided that we we weren't in the position to get that 572 01:05:30.130 --> 01:05:48.360 John Compton: so as much as the system at what you're proposing seems to me, and I'm not an engineer. You are more, more, much more so than I am it? It seems to me that short of approaching this, you know, with a you know, with a with a 573 01:05:49.460 --> 01:06:01.809 John Compton: such and such a comprehensive manner that it would take a large amount of funds. Perhaps everything we have just to establish, that where where the problem is and what potential solutions were. 574 01:06:02.040 --> 01:06:23.679 John Compton: rather than actually addressing what we know, not at an engineering level. But we know as a by observation. our problems. And so Sultan's came in, and they looked at our swells, and they heard where the water was flowing, and they could see where the water was flowing, and they came and told us. 575 01:06:23.940 --> 01:06:28.590 John Compton: Yes, our swells are badly in need of maintenance. 576 01:06:28.840 --> 01:06:33.129 John Compton: All sorts of things have compromised ability to carry water. 577 01:06:33.350 --> 01:06:38.790 John Compton: They're taking at face value, that hey? Things were better 578 01:06:38.890 --> 01:06:55.500 John Compton: in the past, so degradation of the ability to carry the water is clearly a contributor. So let's at least we could at least fix that. So that's what this proposal does is. Let's let's fix our our existing system. 579 01:06:56.630 --> 01:07:02.390 John Compton: Now, whether that you're you're certainly correct. How much of the problem will that solve? 580 01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:08.610 John Compton: Well, without a an engineering study which in itself 581 01:07:09.060 --> 01:07:11.740 John Compton: might give you a little more confidence? But 582 01:07:12.140 --> 01:07:15.390 John Compton: you know we're we're not gonna know that. 583 01:07:15.540 --> 01:07:16.779 Robert Booher: Well, Jack. 584 01:07:16.830 --> 01:07:41.770 Patrice Klein: let me let me interject. Wait a second, guys. Let me just interject. I'm going back, and I refer you to the Sultz Storm Order management assessment report that came out in October, and they did not only walk, and I think you were with us sometimes, Bob. We walked through the town. We identified some of these dilapidated coverage and stuff they actually did on all those 6 or 7 points. They did some calculations. Now. 585 01:07:41.770 --> 01:07:51.879 Patrice Klein: it's not necessarily to the point. I think you're concerned about with this sort of engineering design. But to John's point, that was the assessment report that, indeed, said 586 01:07:52.160 --> 01:07:54.240 Patrice Klein: semi-quantitatively. 587 01:07:54.530 --> 01:08:19.150 Patrice Klein: here are the problem areas. These are the priority areas. These are what is creating more of your problem because of the increase in storm, water velocity and volume. And therefore these would be areas that you need to consider repair and upgrading. So I just wanted to reflect a little bit that we did a stepwise process in at least getting saltes to look. 588 01:08:19.420 --> 01:08:25.150 Patrice Klein: Send me quantitatively or qualitatively on that assessment report that came out in October. 589 01:08:25.180 --> 01:08:50.230 Robert Booher: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was. I was. I was in the walkthrough, and and we brought up lots of issues, and we generally talked about the contract. But my impression was that was that we were not asking right then for for there to be the quantity. When when you ask an engineer to do something, their numbers involved. Okay, this is this is just a second, Patty, let me finish. Let me finish that 590 01:08:50.609 --> 01:08:56.690 numbers involved to quantify both the benefits of what you well, the problem that you have and 591 01:08:57.066 --> 01:09:19.300 Robert Booher: the benefits that you are are proposing solutions for, and those are always in terms of numbers. You have an X problem with in such such and such an area with flows that you want to either increase or flows, that you want to decrease. And they're always there's always a goal of a number that you're you're 592 01:09:19.300 --> 01:09:29.060 Robert Booher: trying to take from an existing situation to an improved situation. If you don't have numbers, if you can't measure it, you can't evaluate it. 593 01:09:29.220 --> 01:09:43.719 Robert Booher: So we don't. We don't know how deep. For example, the Bios whales need to be. We don't know what size the pipes are, gonna be. We don't know the interaction of what the what, the increased size of the pipes and the increase flows 594 01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:53.540 Robert Booher: versus the bioswales which we're trying to retain. The water. We don't know any of this impact. Whether it improves the situation in the woods or not 595 01:09:53.630 --> 01:09:54.650 Robert Booher: we don't know. 596 01:09:54.790 --> 01:09:57.780 Robert Booher: There's not a way we're gonna know from. 597 01:09:58.170 --> 01:09:59.539 Robert Gilmore: II mean, I 598 01:09:59.850 --> 01:10:13.840 Robert Gilmore: bob you you sound very certain that we don't know but Soult has who we hired essentially is the owner's engineer, have said that these measures would improve, I mean, and these are really kind of re remediation. 599 01:10:14.460 --> 01:10:24.759 Robert Gilmore: If if an engine hold on, if an engineer is able. From this experience, I mean, sometimes engineers like any other professionals, can say. 600 01:10:24.870 --> 01:10:26.500 Robert Gilmore: Look, I could do 601 01:10:26.530 --> 01:10:46.379 Robert Gilmore: kind of a a a, a comprehensive and and time consuming expensive study. But I've done dozens of these projects, and I know from my experience as a trained ex engineer without having to crush the numbers, that doing the following, A, BCD. Will improve the situation. 602 01:10:46.860 --> 01:10:57.749 Robert Gilmore: Th, that is, I mean III will admit. That I I'm not studied closely what work saltes actually did. I mean, we reviewed the report that we got from them. 603 01:10:57.940 --> 01:11:05.399 Robert Gilmore: but it may be and I would hope that as professionals they felt comfortable making recommendations. Given the level 604 01:11:05.420 --> 01:11:22.950 Robert Gilmore: of of work they did. Obviously, we're gonna send this Rfp to them. And and the first question should be, this reflects what we understood you to be recommending. Are are you comfortable to a kind of reasonable degree of professional certainty, that if we implement these measures, that it. It is 605 01:11:23.040 --> 01:11:27.640 Robert Gilmore: kind of worthwhile for the money that we're spending 606 01:11:27.820 --> 01:11:30.610 Robert Gilmore: or or if they're like 607 01:11:30.710 --> 01:11:50.560 Robert Gilmore: well, we really don't know. We kind of, you know, offered some things, but we have no idea if they're gonna work or not. That's certainly not what I understood them to be saying. I don't. It doesn't sound like Patty, or or the team who put this together understood that either. So rob it it it. What? How do you? How do you define the worthwhile? 608 01:11:50.910 --> 01:12:07.570 Robert Booher: you know, when you say is this? Where, if you're gonna ask them, is it worthwhile? What does that mean? We're we can't see what the improvements are other than taking their word for it that there will be some improvements. We're gonna spend a half a million dollars to do this work, and we don't know 609 01:12:08.100 --> 01:12:30.059 Robert Booher: in any any any quantitative way what the improvements are. If you are, I come from from an architectural engineering background. If I hire an engineer to structurally figure out how to build my building. I expect the numbers to support the the conclusions and the and the design that he is. He is proposing 610 01:12:30.060 --> 01:12:54.070 Robert Booher: salt, hasn't. It? Has not provided the numbers, and in the Rfp. We don't require whoever wins the contract to to provide any numbers to to say yes, you're for your half a million dollars. You're going to be improving your situation, which means, I think, in general, the improving the situation is reducing the flow to the west woods by X. 611 01:12:55.210 --> 01:12:57.569 Robert Booher: So can I just interject to 612 01:12:57.730 --> 01:13:01.060 Patrice Klein: one of the reasons that unfortunately had some delays in getting 613 01:13:01.270 --> 01:13:19.730 Patrice Klein: the some of the language and the mapping back from Jason because his environmental engineer had actually been out on some personal leave. So they are working with an environmental engineer. He's actually been out and done some of the the walks with us through town and through the West Woods. I know that there has been 614 01:13:19.930 --> 01:13:21.530 Patrice Klein: that 615 01:13:21.540 --> 01:13:23.670 Patrice Klein: assessment, or or that 616 01:13:23.680 --> 01:13:30.130 Patrice Klein: I wouldn't say calculation to use the wrong word, but that has been included. And if you look at the bioswale 617 01:13:30.970 --> 01:13:41.679 Patrice Klein: diagram. They actually do talk about depth and width of pipes and all that kind of stuff. I'm just suggesting that there it hasn't been just a 618 01:13:41.730 --> 01:13:47.939 Patrice Klein: best guests, or, you know, seat of your pants. Kind of stuff on my sense is, they have looked at 619 01:13:48.820 --> 01:13:49.939 Patrice Klein: at the 620 01:13:50.140 --> 01:14:03.360 Patrice Klein: volume and flow of water through their assessment that they did in October that has led us to putting this request together, which is a design to build. So then that's the question is, what designs will we get back 621 01:14:03.360 --> 01:14:26.580 Joan Mahaffey: about one year, flood 10 year, Flood, talking about how inadequate the current system is and the improvements that the upgrades would make I do appreciate, so that we can evaluate. You know, for example, you bring up the bioswale and that diagram that they they have, which is just a cut and paste diagram. There's no numbers on it. 622 01:14:26.630 --> 01:14:36.229 Robert Booher: So so the the depth of that bioswale is the key key metric for how much water it's going to hold. 623 01:14:36.440 --> 01:15:04.780 Robert Booher: It does not have a a depth on it, for they they actually say in the in the paragraph above, Oh, it's a minimum of 9 inches. You can't. You can't even do it in 9 inch. It's gonna be, as John said, several feet set deep. But we don't know. We get back from one contractor. Oh, I think it needs to be 3 feet. Oh, the other contractor says, oh, I think it really needs to be 5 feet got get back from another contractor. Oh, I think it only needs to be one foot, and here's my price, and it's cheaper. 624 01:15:05.360 --> 01:15:07.000 Robert Booher: How do we evaluate that 625 01:15:08.730 --> 01:15:16.219 John Compton: specification for the bios well is in the proposal. It is not John yet. There's no depth to the Bios well proposed. 626 01:15:16.920 --> 01:15:28.449 Dave Cosson: No, it's just. It's just letters. They're not numbers. 627 01:15:28.740 --> 01:15:35.019 Dave Cosson: It's just 4 inches, of course, sand. 628 01:15:35.480 --> 01:15:47.259 Robert Booher: So is this is an example. This is not is this you're you're saying. I would consider this a an example of what they they say this is this is what a bioscoil is. 629 01:15:47.300 --> 01:16:07.030 Robert Booher: The quantities are. Wh. What will determine? You know the the overall amount of water that it retains for X. Amount of time will be determined, the depth and a of that, and the and the width of that, you know. That's it's a volume kind of Co equation. If you haven't specified the volume that you're trying to retain. 630 01:16:07.170 --> 01:16:15.589 Robert Booher: you're not going to get. You're going to get different. Your proposals. I this happens all the time you got it. You got to be specific. 631 01:16:15.620 --> 01:16:30.339 Robert Gilmore: So so, Bob, I first of all, II think you're raising valid potential, potentially important concerns. I can't tell if they are valid or not. Because, you are. 632 01:16:30.470 --> 01:16:33.940 Robert Gilmore: You're you're stating that they haven't done the calculations. 633 01:16:34.180 --> 01:16:39.909 Robert Gilmore: or or or are you stating? We don't know if they've done the calculations or not? 634 01:16:40.030 --> 01:17:06.369 Robert Booher: Well, I haven't seen any from my involvement with the project. I haven't seen the calculations, and it's always been said. Oh, they will! The calculations will be done in the next phase, and then the calculations will be done in the next phase, and then the next phase. And and here we are in our pieces situation, and we're not even asking for the calculation build project. Necessarily. 635 01:17:07.110 --> 01:17:20.949 Robert Gilmore: I mean, I mean, it's it's you're doing the engineering as well as the construction. That's what you should be doing. But we haven't provided them the information to do that. How much water are we wanting them to retain? 636 01:17:21.780 --> 01:17:47.520 John Compton: So what I didn't explain was that there's a requirement for a walkthrough. So first of all, there's there's some realities here, wherever our on Chestnut where we propose is that the biosphere was proposed. It's unclear how deep you can actually make it. You have to avoid gas line. You have to avoid this, you have to avoid that. So while your point is is true. 637 01:17:47.620 --> 01:17:52.389 John Compton: whether it will be a 2 foot deep. Boswell, or 9 inch deep. 638 01:17:52.670 --> 01:17:57.949 John Compton: Hat. Will can. Won't be determined until somebody actually takes a look 639 01:17:58.050 --> 01:18:18.220 John Compton: and says, okay, looks like we can. We can actually put in up to, you know, a pretty high capacity by as well. Then a calculation can be made. So who who's gonna determine? That? Is that gonna be determined before we award the contract? Yes, of course, this is the design. If the design doesn't, doesn't. 640 01:18:18.480 --> 01:18:20.869 John Compton: So we've we we 641 01:18:21.210 --> 01:18:23.330 John Compton: we purposefully 642 01:18:23.840 --> 01:18:30.140 John Compton: ask Sultos. Look, we're not going to have any expertise in evaluating these, proposed the the 643 01:18:30.300 --> 01:18:32.000 John Compton: proposals we get back. 644 01:18:32.260 --> 01:18:35.100 John Compton: So they. 645 01:18:35.440 --> 01:18:39.250 John Compton: Jason has agreed that they would both 646 01:18:39.390 --> 01:18:47.230 John Compton: conduct the walkthrough. We can be there for anyone interested in bidding, so that everybody gets the same 647 01:18:47.640 --> 01:18:53.190 John Compton: request for design and and get and seize the lay of the project. 648 01:18:53.350 --> 01:18:58.119 John Compton: and secondly, that they will participate in evaluating 649 01:18:58.200 --> 01:19:01.370 John Compton: what we're getting from those design proposals. 650 01:19:01.530 --> 01:19:09.099 John Compton: And one of those, of course, is how much you know. How much water will this handle? How much will it retain? 651 01:19:09.150 --> 01:19:16.380 John Compton: I mean, they can do a maximum calculation right now, because they're proposing. And we can get that number. They actually did do that. 652 01:19:16.820 --> 01:19:21.149 John Compton: It. It's just we. We we just didn't get a report. 653 01:19:22.720 --> 01:19:24.100 Robert Booher: How do we know they did that? 654 01:19:24.110 --> 01:19:36.309 John Compton: Well, they provided a a, a flow analysis for all the areas they looked at is, that's correct, Dave. I remember those flowers? Yes, if you go back to that report? Yeah. 655 01:19:36.580 --> 01:19:40.990 Robert Gilmore: Well, should should we? Should we append 656 01:19:41.290 --> 01:19:55.649 Robert Gilmore: some of the analysis that salt has did and incorporate that into the Rfp. I mean, I think I understand. III think I didn't understand the nature of Bob's concern, but but and I'm still 657 01:19:55.660 --> 01:20:00.629 Robert Gilmore: uncertain. II think I understand it now. I'm uncertain as to its validity. 658 01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:13.789 Robert Gilmore: G. Given what actually happened, because I'm I'm hearing from John, and maybe also, Patty, that they they do an analysis to conclude that 659 01:20:14.040 --> 01:20:17.359 Robert Gilmore: these would these measures would 660 01:20:17.560 --> 01:20:22.689 Robert Gilmore: help mitigate the stormwater problems. Now, that is kind of a 661 01:20:22.840 --> 01:20:36.890 Robert Gilmore: general point. And I think what Bob sounds like, what you're saying. One of your concerns is, well, how much is it gonna mitigate and is spending 500,000 on the kind of measures that we see here. 662 01:20:37.020 --> 01:20:42.049 Robert Gilmore: Is it going to end up? Producing a meaningful 663 01:20:42.150 --> 01:20:44.280 Robert Gilmore: reduction? Right? 664 01:20:44.320 --> 01:20:54.349 Robert Gilmore: Goodness. I hope that saltes has been able to, even even if not with metaphysical certainty, be able to kind of 665 01:20:54.430 --> 01:21:00.769 Robert Gilmore: give some sort of. you know. reasonable estimate of 666 01:21:00.780 --> 01:21:15.980 Robert Gilmore: of of efficacy, and that, like this is this will reduce, you know, the the the storm water problems by X amount, whatever those metrics are, and in their experience that that will make a meaningful difference. And these measures 667 01:21:15.990 --> 01:21:24.770 Robert Gilmore: are, are, you know, designed to achieve that? I mean it. There. There are some specifics like, I don't understand this diagram to be just sort of a 668 01:21:24.970 --> 01:21:31.549 Robert Gilmore: an an exemplar. I mean, it says, you know an attachment. C like it says you will 669 01:21:32.030 --> 01:21:38.860 Robert Gilmore: mit Ctl and build this, and the contractor will regrade the existing swell to reflect the detail below. So 670 01:21:39.280 --> 01:21:43.489 Robert Gilmore: John, can I share the screen real quick, and I'll show you 671 01:21:43.720 --> 01:21:46.080 Patrice Klein: the October report. 672 01:21:47.740 --> 01:21:48.510 Patrice Klein: John. 673 01:21:50.810 --> 01:21:55.790 Patrice Klein: Can you hear me, John? Oh, I'm sorry. Okay, I wasn't getting your acknowledgment. 674 01:21:55.800 --> 01:21:57.540 John Compton: I'm sorry 675 01:21:58.530 --> 01:22:15.849 Robert Gilmore: while while that's being pulled up. Can I just jump in? II had just some, from a kind of contracting and legal standpoint, things to consider, and we should probably ask if we haven't asked salt has to weigh in. Do we want the bidders to post a performance bond for this work? 676 01:22:16.090 --> 01:22:20.429 Robert Gilmore: One question. Second question, are the insurance levels 677 01:22:20.490 --> 01:22:24.320 Robert Gilmore: adequate? They seemed potentially low, low. 678 01:22:24.670 --> 01:22:26.359 Robert Gilmore: And then 679 01:22:27.370 --> 01:22:37.180 Robert Gilmore: this is something that the termination for default doesn't actually spell out what the consequences for termination for default are as 680 01:22:37.450 --> 01:22:40.640 Robert Gilmore: compared to a termination for convenience. 681 01:22:40.850 --> 01:22:43.700 Robert Gilmore: I also think that it's 682 01:22:43.820 --> 01:22:57.159 Robert Gilmore: completely unreasonable to say that it, the contractor has to correct a default within 24 h after. Receive a notification. I mean, that's that can't be customary. I'd say maybe 30 days or something like that. But 683 01:22:57.410 --> 01:23:01.430 Robert Gilmore: th, those those were just from a kind of contracting. 684 01:23:01.770 --> 01:23:09.670 Kathy Lehman: boering perspective. I think a lot of that's boilerplate stuff. We didn't write all of that detail. Rob? 685 01:23:09.700 --> 01:23:14.040 Robert Gilmore: Oh, yeah, no, I know we're not in the contracting phase. 686 01:23:14.100 --> 01:23:19.879 Robert Gilmore: yeah, but but some things like the the performance bond and the insurance levels. I mean some of these specs. 687 01:23:19.980 --> 01:23:28.059 Robert Gilmore: In here, you know, in in the Rfp itself. Ii think we maybe need to 688 01:23:28.610 --> 01:23:36.649 Robert Gilmore: address and and along the lines what I was saying. Certainly it. I think it would make sense to raise those points with sultas. 689 01:23:37.760 --> 01:23:43.090 Dave Cosson: The insurance levels we did was the landscaping 690 01:23:43.210 --> 01:23:44.160 Dave Cosson: contract. 691 01:23:46.320 --> 01:24:04.200 Robert Gilmore: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I and I don't. I don't know all that much about the kind of work that's gonna be doing done here from like a liability perspective. But it just it seems like it's a little bit more intensive than than the landscaping work. Right? I mean II don't. The the 692 01:24:04.620 --> 01:24:12.450 Robert Gilmore: I don't know about injuries, but like the prospects of potentially property damage, or something like this from this work, as opposed to landscaping seems a little bit more 693 01:24:13.490 --> 01:24:15.820 Robert Gilmore: of concern here, so 694 01:24:16.070 --> 01:24:20.099 Robert Gilmore: that that a and certainly assault has what they think of those 695 01:24:21.640 --> 01:24:27.560 John Compton: alright, so that it's it's a good point, a couple of good points 696 01:24:27.620 --> 01:24:37.410 John Compton: we need to. We, we need to add that you know, the surface needs to be, you know, to 697 01:24:38.400 --> 01:24:41.070 John Compton: similar. We do this with W. Ssa. 698 01:24:41.100 --> 01:25:09.780 John Compton: Needs to be so so substantially to what it was before the work was done, with the exception that what we agree is the new profile for this way, all of which is part of the design, and all of which will be specified before being approved. We're not letting the idea is not to let a contract go in there and just do whatever it is in some general terms. So so, John, when does that? When does that happen? If we're going to put this out for proposals. 699 01:25:09.800 --> 01:25:15.620 John Compton: that's when you pro approve somebody's design. That's the design approval. 700 01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:18.510 Robert Booher: So you're you're saying there's 2 phases to this. 701 01:25:19.250 --> 01:25:25.570 John Compton: Well, it's this for each contractor. It's the same thing. If if, if we approve 702 01:25:25.830 --> 01:25:27.309 John Compton: their design. 703 01:25:27.630 --> 01:25:39.649 John Compton: then we then their bid would will be considered. If we don't approve their design, they either have to alter it, or we can't go forward right? So so their their proposal will include 704 01:25:39.700 --> 01:25:41.679 Robert Booher: the engineering already done 705 01:25:42.270 --> 01:25:55.729 Robert Booher: right, and then the exact proposals, the the length of this, the type of pipe. the type, the kind of pipe, the depth of pipe, the the sizes, all of those, all of that. You'll get a set of construction documents 706 01:25:55.830 --> 01:26:04.159 John Compton: proposed along with their price. Is that right? Is that what you're expecting? All to the extent you can know without 707 01:26:04.660 --> 01:26:10.220 John Compton: digging into the ground, which you know could could create unforeseen 708 01:26:10.340 --> 01:26:12.670 John Compton: issues. But yes, yes, exactly 709 01:26:13.680 --> 01:26:17.100 Robert Booher: okay, as the the proposal is not indicating that at all. 710 01:26:17.390 --> 01:26:19.670 Robert Booher: the Rfp is not integrated. 711 01:26:19.680 --> 01:26:23.850 John Compton: that they're that you're expecting construction documents out of this. 712 01:26:24.010 --> 01:26:39.430 John Compton: It's just contractable survey areas, provide assign drawing existing conditions, utilities permitting. That's the design. Sorry that that's that's only phrase that describes the the level of design that you're requiring 713 01:26:39.800 --> 01:26:47.999 John Compton: this is this is sort of been my. My, my question from the stand, from the start is that where is the design actually happening? 714 01:26:48.990 --> 01:26:57.810 John Compton: care swells and bio swells prepare plants during the basic grading for renovated swells and improved bio swell locations. 715 01:26:58.150 --> 01:27:02.510 John Compton: detail trees. Blah blah. So it's all in that sense. 716 01:27:03.200 --> 01:27:06.509 John Compton: So we maybe need to make that more emphatic to make it 717 01:27:06.530 --> 01:27:34.910 Robert Booher: several years ago 718 01:27:34.970 --> 01:27:44.889 Patrice Klein: bid, or a proposal that was to do that engineering study alone, and we walked away from that because we never had that kind of money. So 719 01:27:44.930 --> 01:27:55.680 Patrice Klein: we're working with a an environmental engineering company saltes and getting their good guidance through their earlier assessments, and now through helping us to 720 01:27:55.730 --> 01:28:24.469 Robert Booher: frame out this proposal for a design to build. So we're not gonna get the kind of study you're asking for at the cost that we have. Okay? Well, I think I think that the town is getting into a pro end into it a risky situation here, because they, the town, will not be able to evaluate the proposals against each other, nor will they be able to evaluate th the money that that the half a million dollars is being spent properly. 721 01:28:24.630 --> 01:28:26.200 Robert Booher: That's my concern. 722 01:28:29.690 --> 01:28:36.449 Robert Gilmore: Yeah. I mean, this gets back to the the initial point. That II made, and and 723 01:28:36.480 --> 01:28:47.029 Robert Gilmore: III think, as with this conversation goes on, I I'm I I'm not. I'm maybe less certain that I understand, Bob, your your concern? 724 01:28:47.120 --> 01:28:49.490 Robert Gilmore: If if Saltz has said 725 01:28:49.810 --> 01:29:00.240 Robert Gilmore: and and I understand that you are looking for what are the current flows, and what could be done to reduce them by X or y or Z 726 01:29:00.370 --> 01:29:03.690 Robert Gilmore: numbers in metrics? 727 01:29:03.710 --> 01:29:07.939 Robert Gilmore: and II do remember what what 728 01:29:07.970 --> 01:29:10.690 Robert Gilmore: where Patty was was saying that that that 729 01:29:10.820 --> 01:29:20.960 Robert Gilmore: kind of we thought that there would be some kind of comprehensive study along those lines, and it it was too expensive. And so we said, Alright, well, we have 730 01:29:21.000 --> 01:29:29.439 Robert Gilmore: some existing, I guess. Infrastructure that looking at that, can that be improved in a way that will help mitigate. 731 01:29:29.520 --> 01:29:35.819 Robert Gilmore: even if we're not quantifying the extent to which it's mitigating. And what is a reasonable price tag for that? 732 01:29:35.890 --> 01:29:51.859 Robert Gilmore: I kind of thought. That's what soul has told us. And that's what led to this, based on their experience, understanding they haven't done the flows and the calculations, although maybe they have done some. It's not, some people said. Maybe they have done in, in which case it would be good to see that. 733 01:29:52.050 --> 01:29:53.680 Robert Gilmore: So. 734 01:29:53.860 --> 01:29:54.730 But 735 01:29:55.980 --> 01:29:57.720 Robert Gilmore: if you're 736 01:29:57.780 --> 01:30:08.630 Robert Gilmore: criticism of the Rfp. Is, it's not clear if we're asking these people to actually do the engineering work, or simply just to build something. 737 01:30:08.780 --> 01:30:21.429 Robert Gilmore: you know that that I understand. And if that's the concern, then II think that we we probably do need. Maybe the Rfp. Needs to be clearer. 738 01:30:21.480 --> 01:30:25.400 Robert Gilmore: that that this proposal is not simply 739 01:30:25.480 --> 01:30:36.680 Robert Gilmore: a construction contractor. But there is engineering work. I mean it. It's framed as a design build proposal. So it's not 740 01:30:36.920 --> 01:30:47.960 Robert Gilmore: propose. It's not building to kind of completed design specifications because those haven't been done. IIII it seems to me that this 741 01:30:47.990 --> 01:30:49.350 Robert Gilmore: contemplates 742 01:30:49.440 --> 01:31:01.790 Robert Gilmore: that there's going to be design engineering work done by the contractor. Now, whether that needs to be fleshed out in more detail in the Rfp. II don't know that I have. 743 01:31:02.080 --> 01:31:04.429 Robert Gilmore: or I. Actually, I know that I don't have 744 01:31:04.670 --> 01:31:11.119 Robert Gilmore: the The kind of engineering chops to to figure out how that needs to be 745 01:31:35.430 --> 01:31:41.400 Robert Booher: is that we don't have the initial initial engineering 746 01:31:41.570 --> 01:31:47.319 Robert Booher: evidence that of what we, what we are trying to accomplish 747 01:31:47.350 --> 01:31:59.099 Robert Booher: we have, really, just here, to a certain extent, educated hearsay, as far as I know. Maybe maybe we have further information. Maybe Patty will show it to us. 748 01:31:59.230 --> 01:32:02.200 Robert Booher: But but I have. I have that concern. 749 01:32:02.210 --> 01:32:17.629 Robert Booher: the the the the $400,000 was was something that was the West Woods is a different contract. When we started out with this way we had 3 contracts, 3 proposals that came in 2, or maybe there were 4, 750 01:32:18.000 --> 01:32:18.860 Robert Booher: but 751 01:32:19.020 --> 01:32:25.839 Robert Booher: 2 of them were 30, 30,000, and 50,000, and saltes was 15,000. 752 01:32:25.940 --> 01:32:43.570 Robert Booher: And the reason that we took the Sultz is that we said, Okay, we don't, wanna we? We don't wanna ha have this engineering done upfront. We'll hire saltes, and we'll get the engineering done as we go. That was that was the reasoning, as I recall, for hiring saltes. 753 01:32:43.630 --> 01:32:52.729 Robert Booher: but it's been pushed and pushed and pushed. And my concern is the engineering is not being done that will demonstrate one that we're getting 754 01:32:52.840 --> 01:33:09.849 Robert Booher: anything of value for. For all of this work this half 1 million dollars, because we don't know what the what the improvement is, and 2, we will not be able to evaluate the the several proposals we get against each other because it'll be apples and oranges. 755 01:33:09.850 --> 01:33:26.040 Patrice Klein: So I'm looking at. Excuse me, okay, I'm looking at the October report that they came in where they did look at some of these were covert, so I'd have to go match in the report. These are study point areas that they looked at, and this is with their engineer, their 756 01:33:26.280 --> 01:33:31.189 Patrice Klein: environmental engineer, and forgive me blanking on his name. But he and 757 01:33:31.240 --> 01:33:54.500 Patrice Klein: Jason had come out and they'd walk through the town. And they did these measurements, and they did a variety of these calculations on. At least I think it was 6 or 7 study points, looking at flow diameter and scrolling through. Okay, so this was part of how they put their recommendations together for us other than taking some photographs of, you know. 758 01:33:54.850 --> 01:34:10.650 Patrice Klein: avenues and and and roadways and stuff. But they went through, and they looked at maps, and they looked at some of these different. And this is Washington Grove Lane. and they looked at some of these issues for us. Now, what we, I think I hear you saying is at the end of the 759 01:34:10.870 --> 01:34:21.379 Patrice Klein: project that we're trying to complete. Would we then go back and look at these same measurements after we've constructed some of these bioswales and improved these culverts. 760 01:34:21.650 --> 01:34:32.819 Patrice Klein: The other part of the question is, we don't have the money yet to go and and deal with what's happening on the downstream side, which is what water may still be flowing into the West Woods. 761 01:34:33.750 --> 01:34:48.240 Patrice Klein: and that was one of the reasons we're trying to get this started upstream right to try to slow the flow down and try to retain some of the volume, and then also try to find additional external funding. To start working on 762 01:34:48.240 --> 01:35:12.760 Robert Booher: the downstream side of it is, we're still gonna have water flowing into the West woods. Remember, it's not just from town. It's also from town crest. It's from other external sources as well. So we still have those issues to consider from these, from these flows that they have, they have measured or calculated. I don't know which it is the the particular flows that they are addressing with the conceptual design. 763 01:35:12.980 --> 01:35:15.450 Robert Booher: How do those those 764 01:35:15.550 --> 01:35:24.850 Robert Booher: designs impact those flows? There has to be an intent to be an improvement for there, for there to be an improvement. 765 01:35:24.860 --> 01:35:49.919 Robert Booher: and the town needs to evaluate whether that improvement is sufficient to spend a half a million dollars. Oh, but we won't know that until we actually measure it after the fact. I mean you, you're predicting. But we have to know what it's gonna look like after the fact. That's exactly what engineers do. That's the reason there are calculations. So you can predict what's gonna happen. 766 01:35:49.990 --> 01:35:57.880 Robert Booher: That's what engineering is, it can't be that we have to build this first to know whether it works or not. 767 01:35:57.920 --> 01:36:16.990 Patrice Klein: No, because on a pragmatic level, if you fix some of the culverts that we already know are backing up right and are too small for the current volume and flow of water. And you clean out some of these other areas that are not holding water back. I would just say pragmatically and on a qualitative level. You know that 768 01:36:17.100 --> 01:36:22.529 Patrice Klein: it will be better than it is now. We didn't need to hire an engineer to tell us that. 769 01:36:23.450 --> 01:36:30.759 Robert Booher: I think. Then, when you're telling us is we don't need to hire an engineer. No, no, no, Patty, we do need to hire an engineer. 770 01:36:31.230 --> 01:36:37.679 John Compton: I guys, we're we've got other business today. Unfortunately, I think, Bob, what what you know 771 01:36:38.110 --> 01:36:45.629 John Compton: the difficulty I'm having, and I think Patty's addressed it. And in order to 772 01:36:45.870 --> 01:36:56.320 John Compton: make a an evaluation that you are you've described as would be normal for any large project. 773 01:36:56.570 --> 01:36:58.159 Robert Booher: any project, John. 774 01:36:58.230 --> 01:37:06.809 John Compton: No, that's not true of any project. Sometimes you do projects where your expectations are based on qualitative improvements. 775 01:37:06.960 --> 01:37:10.200 John Compton: which are. you know, are not 776 01:37:10.270 --> 01:37:14.889 John Compton: backed up by detailed calculations. In fact. 777 01:37:15.010 --> 01:37:42.769 John Compton: the the flow. I don't want to go back into the original Sultan's report. All those flows at the various intersections were calculated. And you know, if the issue, if you wanted to increase the cover type by such and such, you can easily calculate the increase in water capacity. However, I think your main point is not that I think that is is a small point. Will it improve flow? Answer is unquestionably. 778 01:37:42.910 --> 01:37:47.360 John Compton: but will it improve 779 01:37:47.890 --> 01:38:15.319 John Compton: sufficiently to? And then we had 2 goals. With this one is the one to reduce flow into the West Woods a hugely complicated thing, since nobody has measured the flow that comes from town versus the flow that comes down the road that comes from the Tractor Palace that comes from town dress. We do not know the contributions from those, and doing that would take several seasons easily, because the rain comes down 780 01:38:15.320 --> 01:38:25.299 John Compton: hard, and then it doesn't come down hard. And you know you just doing that evaluation would pose a time constraint on on on getting the data you want 781 01:38:25.830 --> 01:38:29.710 John Compton: alright, but our other goal was to improve. 782 01:38:29.910 --> 01:38:41.290 John Compton: fall onto private property and control of of storm water, floodwater, and that again, unquestionably this will improve 783 01:38:41.620 --> 01:38:42.880 John Compton: whether it will 784 01:38:44.410 --> 01:38:45.300 John Compton: correct 785 01:38:46.040 --> 01:38:51.260 John Compton: all the problems along where it's being, and proposed to be installed. 786 01:38:51.630 --> 01:38:53.190 John Compton: I'd love to know that 787 01:38:53.560 --> 01:39:00.999 John Compton: anybody would love to know that. But, as Paddy said, it's absolutely certain to improve things. 788 01:39:01.950 --> 01:39:06.570 John Compton: If that's not good enough. then I think we can just give the money back 789 01:39:06.840 --> 01:39:18.780 John Compton: to the Federal Government because we're not going to be be able to. Well, or we can spend it on a Co. A. We could, we could change tax and say, Let's get the evaluation you want. I guarantee it will take a 790 01:39:18.880 --> 01:39:22.139 John Compton: several years, because nobody can predict flows 791 01:39:22.960 --> 01:39:29.640 John Compton: without actual flow. If you want a valuation of improvement, you gotta know what it is. 792 01:39:29.670 --> 01:39:33.800 John Compton: You have to have a starting point. 793 01:39:33.840 --> 01:39:49.970 Robert Booher: It's the business of a civil engineer to predict those flows, John, in order to produce a design, you have to predict what the improvement of the of the measures that you are producing will do. It's just that like, if if your point is merely 794 01:39:50.090 --> 01:39:54.239 John Compton: you know, how much flow will these the proposed 795 01:39:54.390 --> 01:39:57.040 John Compton: installation control 796 01:39:57.340 --> 01:39:59.920 John Compton: that seems perfectly calculable. 797 01:40:00.010 --> 01:40:03.089 John Compton: Once it's clear what is being installed 798 01:40:03.650 --> 01:40:11.529 John Compton: and proposed to be s installed. Here's how much this ought to be able to control. 799 01:40:11.640 --> 01:40:14.360 John Compton: The biosphere will absorb whatever. 800 01:40:14.380 --> 01:40:17.950 Robert Booher: Then we should. We should have have each of the bidders 801 01:40:18.460 --> 01:40:33.360 John Compton: include that information. For this amount of money we are producing this amount of flow in this particular piece I made a note on on the thing we need to make clear what it is we want in their plans, which is 802 01:40:33.730 --> 01:40:36.130 John Compton: insufficiently detailed, as you have. 803 01:40:36.160 --> 01:40:38.530 John Compton: you know you have convinced everyone 804 01:40:38.710 --> 01:40:43.170 John Compton: for for for being able to evaluate 805 01:40:43.240 --> 01:40:55.719 John Compton: to to what you should know. We wrote this. We didn't let. Jason hasn't looked at it, but in our discussions he made it. He he clearly stated that 806 01:40:55.790 --> 01:41:05.259 John Compton: we needed, to be sure, all of the proposed. The bidders have exactly the right, the same information, and exactly the same expectations. 807 01:41:05.530 --> 01:41:07.140 John Compton: And to do that. 808 01:41:07.200 --> 01:41:25.110 John Compton: we needed to conduct a walkthrough. And with a list of exactly what you know, what exactly our expectations are for the areas we're proposing to to for them to work. There wasn't Jason, wasn't Jason supposed to? To? 809 01:41:25.250 --> 01:41:45.640 Robert Booher: No, he provided he provided the map, and he provided you know some language for us, but you know and he he gave us some guidance. That's true. We didn't just write this. Is he. Is he going to be bidding on this. No, no, no, there's no conflict of interest, so so we can hire him to be the watchdog on on the bidders. 810 01:41:46.790 --> 01:41:48.749 John Compton: Actually, he's offering no. 811 01:41:48.920 --> 01:42:04.959 John Compton: on the on the proposals and designs that come in. 812 01:42:05.160 --> 01:42:06.540 Peter Nagrod: And we needed 813 01:42:06.620 --> 01:42:09.780 John Compton: expert advice, just like we have all along. 814 01:42:09.970 --> 01:42:13.510 Robert Gilmore: So Patty, has he seen Rfp. 815 01:42:13.890 --> 01:42:40.579 Patrice Klein: He hasn't seen this Rpf. But we took the map and we took some of the language that he sent us, and that John said at the beginning. He's showing it to you the town Council first to get, you know, sort of your general blessing, and I believe he's gonna send it to Jason to make sure he proves it for us, and he has to make some corrections on the map, as John pointed out earlier, just to get some clarification on there, and you know the Wetlands. Gravel wetlands is not included in this project. So 816 01:42:40.690 --> 01:42:44.030 Patrice Klein: John, I assume you would be sending it to Jason tomorrow. 817 01:42:44.210 --> 01:42:54.260 Peter Nagrod: Yeah. Add one thing to cause. Yeah, I've been. I've been watching this from the beginning also is the human factor in that. Jason 818 01:42:54.480 --> 01:43:06.419 Peter Nagrod: is I am so confident. What? Because of what you know beating him. He has a really great feel for the growth, and I think what we're trying to accomplish. And I think 819 01:43:06.670 --> 01:43:24.140 Peter Nagrod: him being part of this. When I look at this proposal, I know there's lots of things that you could question, but knowing that he's kind of behind them. And looking at this, I think we're gonna I feel confident that we're gonna get the results that we want, because he knows what we need to have. So you know 820 01:43:24.310 --> 01:43:34.979 Peter Nagrod: I like this. I know he'll probably he can. He can fine tune this. You can give him the comments that Bob brought it and everything else. But I think we're we're we're like, pretty close to moving forward. 821 01:43:35.210 --> 01:43:48.660 Robert Gilmore: Yeah. But, Peter, that's a little too touchy feely for me. There we are. We are talking about half a million dollars like the huge expenditure. I mean. Bob's right. 822 01:43:48.660 --> 01:44:12.129 Robert Gilmore: It's not a huge expenditure. It's not, you know, but for the work that's being done. This is, you know, the huge expenditure for the town. I mean, it's you know, we could spend that. Patty said we could be spending how much money on the consultant to do everything that Bob wants $500,000 like for. Given the amount of that government spend 823 01:44:12.130 --> 01:44:20.170 Robert Gilmore: the calendar. Yeah, but for the town it's a it's a lot of money. I mean it. So it it's not like. 824 01:44:20.170 --> 01:44:37.569 Robert Gilmore: we're spending sort of 5,000, or even like 50,000. And you know, at those levels, maybe we could, we could be content with a a, a an experienced person saying, look based on my judgment experience. This will work, but I haven't really quantified the extent to which it will work. 825 01:44:37.630 --> 01:44:49.520 Robert Gilmore: II have some level of squeamishness that I guess I'm sharing with W. With Bob that like W. There! Ha! There isn't perhaps as much rigor. I also think 826 01:44:49.790 --> 01:45:09.760 Robert Gilmore: that we should send this. But II don't think that we should send this based on the idea that, like we sort of tentatively approve this Rfp. Because I would like to send it to saltes for them to look at in like rewrite, or tear it apart, or or add a bunch of stuff. 827 01:45:09.850 --> 01:45:27.429 Robert Gilmore: it may be what we get back from them looks substantially different from this first draft, and and that isn't a criticism of the the folks who were involved in putting this together. It just may be that it doesn't have, like the level of professional input from an owners engineer, which is the role 828 01:45:27.490 --> 01:45:29.139 Robert Gilmore: we want them to fill. 829 01:45:29.210 --> 01:45:35.619 Patrice Klein: Right? So I would ask Jason to John, when you talk with him. If we should just append that October 830 01:45:35.900 --> 01:45:41.739 Patrice Klein: assessment that they did for us. I mean, it's really it's background information for whatever bitter 831 01:45:41.800 --> 01:45:47.169 Patrice Klein: and also my sense, too, is that when you think about the sort of 832 01:45:47.830 --> 01:46:05.489 Patrice Klein: shovel in the ground kind of work, I mean, other than restoring culverts or renovating coverts, and then digging ditches and filling them in with sod. My sense was that there is an engineering component to this. The design to build is not just the shovel in the ground, but it's also 833 01:46:05.550 --> 01:46:07.959 Patrice Klein: to, I think what Bob has been 834 01:46:08.100 --> 01:46:09.969 Patrice Klein: reiterating is. There's 835 01:46:10.410 --> 01:46:21.600 Patrice Klein: calculations involved right and linear feet, and what is involved, and the depth and all that kind of stuff that would bring us to that $500,000 price tag cause one of the conversations we've had 836 01:46:21.690 --> 01:46:23.350 Patrice Klein: when we were writing this up is. 837 01:46:23.660 --> 01:46:38.410 Patrice Klein: show me how a shovel in the ground, and bringing in some, you know, gravel and sod and sand, and all this other kind of stuff, regardless of how what the length is is going to cost a half a million dollars. I mean, what are those guys making per hour? Because if that's the case, I'm quitting my job, and I'm going to go do that. 838 01:46:38.530 --> 01:46:51.719 Patrice Klein: It! It sounds like a large amount of money, but the original 5 6 year years ago Rfp. That we sent out was for a design and assessment study, and that alone was $400,000. 839 01:46:51.970 --> 01:47:03.620 Patrice Klein: Okay, so my sense is, and maybe we get clarification from Jason is those calculations are part of this design to build. Rfp, and maybe we just need to say that more explicitly. 840 01:47:04.210 --> 01:47:25.649 John Compton: Okay, look clearly. Clearly. We need to come back to the Council with a more more closely vetted draft. We need to account for some good. A lot of the things Bob has criticized and and indicated would be expected. 841 01:47:25.900 --> 01:47:33.140 John Compton: So I think the the answer here for tonight is that we'll take all of this discussion. 842 01:47:33.160 --> 01:47:43.750 John Compton: We'll go we'll go back to Sultan's will. Work on filling in a lot of the missing expectation and blanks 843 01:47:44.090 --> 01:47:45.249 John Compton: and come back. 844 01:47:45.380 --> 01:47:49.690 John Compton: May be better prepared to address 845 01:47:50.150 --> 01:48:00.379 John Compton: less of the less of the details and and more of look, here's what we're we're we need to do to work to make the design. Build 846 01:48:00.730 --> 01:48:03.520 John Compton: 847 01:48:04.220 --> 01:48:08.760 John Compton: Deliver what? At least a good part of what we expect. 848 01:48:09.200 --> 01:48:19.309 Christine Dibble: Oh, John, is it number one. I totally agree with Patty that we should append the 849 01:48:19.330 --> 01:48:28.369 Christine Dibble: October report to the Rfp. And also, I was wondering, does it make any sense to include something in the Rfp. That says. 850 01:48:28.570 --> 01:48:35.220 Christine Dibble: if possible. please indicate you know the 851 01:48:35.600 --> 01:48:36.380 the 852 01:48:37.110 --> 01:48:38.750 Christine Dibble: how would you word this 853 01:48:39.350 --> 01:48:51.560 Christine Dibble: like the the the estimated reduction in flows that you believe that your work will accomplish, or something like that. 854 01:48:52.050 --> 01:49:10.339 John Compton: And they may say it's not possible. You haven't given us enough information, even with the October report, I think, to do that. They they are the closest to the grow they've already done. If we to get 855 01:49:10.510 --> 01:49:16.750 John Compton: to get performance calculations, we can ask filters to do that. 856 01:49:16.850 --> 01:49:22.960 John Compton: The presumably the bidders who are going to be environmental, who are going to be 857 01:49:23.670 --> 01:49:47.369 John Compton: have have have a history of putting these in will also be able to deliver that information, and yes, they ought to be able to provide it. So we can include that in in, in, in there with their plan, they they should indicate the flows of the capacity. They will know nothing about reduction, because they have know nothing about the current status of the grow. 858 01:49:47.550 --> 01:50:11.249 Robert Booher: They would they would they would, they would know what the what the particular. And this is the Bios whale, because the other things don't retain they would. They would be able to say that that this this biosa swell will retain X amount of water and it, and then then saltes should be able from that to say, Well, this is the impact of that amount of retention on your current situation. 859 01:50:11.250 --> 01:50:19.160 Robert Booher: The same with the flows. undoubtedly both the swells and the and the culverts are gonna increase the flows 860 01:50:19.160 --> 01:50:44.359 Robert Booher: so they should be able to tell tell us how much is gonna increase against what we currently have. So you actually have this balancing situation in some, we're we're retaining flow, for from part of the grove, which will be interrupted by the flow through Chestnut Avenue into the Bios. Well, and be retained. That's a good thing 861 01:50:44.560 --> 01:51:06.660 Robert Booher: we're increasing the flows by by improving the swells and the and the culverts, etc. We're increasing the flow towards the west west wood of those. So so that's not necessarily a good thing for the West Woods. So that's that's what what I'm saying is to evaluate the whole proposal. You need to know what those are 862 01:51:07.700 --> 01:51:14.589 Peter Nagrod: so Patty has has has salt has been. Have they seen? They haven't seen this Rfp. 863 01:51:15.180 --> 01:51:33.500 Peter Nagrod: Well, no, they contributed to the content by the map, and you know, and some of the descriptive. This is not a criticism, but my understanding was that salt has was going to help us write the Rfp. I don't know why we have. I don't know why we're having this conversation, because. 864 01:51:33.670 --> 01:51:47.680 John Compton: you know, if if they were involved with this we probably wouldn't be. We may even be having any of this discussion, because time is taking. II understand that. But look what's happening here 865 01:51:47.700 --> 01:51:59.490 John Compton: that we could step back and say, we want to do a much more systematic approach to this. We'll be giving back $450,000, 866 01:51:59.500 --> 01:52:10.459 Patrice Klein: so we wouldn't be having this conversation well to your point, Peter, they provided us some content, you know language right? So, for example, the 867 01:52:10.880 --> 01:52:37.929 Patrice Klein: the acorn chestnut intersection, where we really need to put a whole new covert system in there. That is their language, I mean, that's the the skill language that I certainly don't have, you know there and then there was the boilerplate stuff which is background. So yes, they they have been guiding us on the content. But they have not seen this product yet put together, but it is based on on some of the information they provided to us. 868 01:52:38.150 --> 01:52:39.180 Patrice Klein: So, John 869 01:52:39.760 --> 01:52:54.609 Cynthia Werts: Steve, is there any way that you could send this out and see what you get, because if you don't send it out, you're gonna be waiting another 2 or 3 months down the line. You can always refuse whatever comes in 870 01:52:57.040 --> 01:53:23.699 John Compton: save your right. But we want to. As Bob as pointed out, we want to get we want. We want to get proposals that meet our expectations and our enable us to compare them together. I think both of those are before we spend any money on and choose who to do it. We want to be sure we're getting getting. We know what we're getting for our money, and we're able to tell why one might be better than the other. 871 01:53:23.700 --> 01:53:28.560 John Compton: for that we are going to substantially rely on saltes. 872 01:53:29.160 --> 01:53:36.819 John Compton: and we have those of us who have dealt with them. Have every confidence that we will get exactly that from them. 873 01:53:36.880 --> 01:53:40.969 Peter Nagrod: Now, Bob, I want to comment on Bob's. Yes, we'll be increasing the flow. 874 01:53:42.660 --> 01:53:43.390 John Compton: are 875 01:53:43.600 --> 01:54:08.409 John Compton: we? We do have a goal of reducing, of of controlling the water, and the rest would, which is 2 components, one. If we can put less in there, there's less the control. But it doesn't matter what we do. We still have to control. What's there that that has been roughly estimated at a 2 to 3 million dollar project guys. So which is why we're ignoring that for now it's also why we're sort of ignoring 876 01:54:08.520 --> 01:54:12.460 John Compton: what this does in the West woods. And, by the way, the gravel 877 01:54:13.250 --> 01:54:26.870 John Compton: wetlands, which is not part of this, is the exact installation that will have would have the most effect on the water running into the West woods. But it's not part of this project. So while we increase the flow 878 01:54:26.940 --> 01:54:43.960 John Compton: along our current system, keeping it off of private property which was ours. Our one of our goals will hopefully achieve that. We won't achieve the other one until we can find funds to address it. So. The reality is that 879 01:54:44.430 --> 01:54:47.749 John Compton: to the extent it reduces the flow into the west woods. 880 01:54:48.530 --> 01:54:56.560 John Compton: It's probably going to be not a determining a material difference. 881 01:54:56.660 --> 01:55:13.549 John Compton: because we need to do more. We need to do hold it up in a gravel wetlands. We need to fix it so the water doesn't flow through the wood so fast. That is a future project, so evaluating consequences from the residential flow seems 882 01:55:14.760 --> 01:55:20.980 John Compton: as as as engineering wise. It would be valuable to know. 883 01:55:21.000 --> 01:55:26.410 John Compton: seems like it is not a a, an essential part 884 01:55:26.670 --> 01:55:29.490 John Compton: of making the improvements that we're proposing here. 885 01:55:30.070 --> 01:55:30.800 John Compton: but 886 01:55:30.950 --> 01:55:59.770 John Compton: that said it doesn't negate all the criticisms that we can address, and so I, proposing, will go away. We'll address them, and it will come back in March. Still time. Remember, all we have to do is, commit the funds by the end of the year. Not a problem. We're still not in trouble. We're moving along and assuming we get bids that we like you don't have to, you know. Step back and fix our expectations in that respect. Which is Steve's point. 887 01:56:00.100 --> 01:56:11.930 John Compton: you know. Come on, you know. What are we really gonna get. The longer we take to get this out, the the the closer to the deadline we risk. If we don't get what we need. 888 01:56:11.960 --> 01:56:15.160 Patrice Klein: And we're also in competition with lots of bigger 889 01:56:15.460 --> 01:56:21.880 Patrice Klein: projects that these other companies are. you know, obviously interested in doing. I'm not suggesting that we 890 01:56:22.340 --> 01:56:44.089 John Compton: short change ourselves. I'm just suggesting that time is of the essence. There is a time pressure. So let's let's take everything away. And hopefully, when this comes back it will have addressed. you know at least a good number of these these concerns that we need the comments 891 01:56:44.260 --> 01:56:51.990 Robert Gilmore: and revisions to the Rfp. And time before next meeting. Yeah, the March meeting. 892 01:56:52.570 --> 01:56:53.420 Kathy Lehman: Okay? 893 01:56:55.480 --> 01:56:56.210 John Compton: Oh. 894 01:57:00.880 --> 01:57:11.899 John Compton: alright. So actually, that's a great discussion, Bob. I only wish we'd send it to you sooner we could have done a better job. 895 01:57:12.070 --> 01:57:20.449 John Compton: Discussion, because the discussion is is is of course, valuable, so I'll I'll go ahead and send a written comments into. 896 01:57:20.890 --> 01:57:39.330 John Compton: Yeah, I hate to. I mean, you can do that. I know it's a painful to write things down sometimes, because you know, you have to be a lot careful. But yes, that would be very much appreciated, because we can then use that to improve it in point by point, Jason. Comment on that point by point. 897 01:57:39.580 --> 01:57:42.050 John Compton: Okay, good. 898 01:57:42.300 --> 01:58:09.109 John Compton: alright, we're we're gonna move on to the next item, which is the refuse and recycling. Rs, this shouldn't take long. I hope if anybody bothered to look at them, I'm not even gonna put them up. They are identical to the ones we did 3 years ago in 22,021 with one material exception, and that is that we have included the commercial corner 899 01:58:09.450 --> 01:58:19.100 John Compton: businesses. We've stated there are 5 businesses which will be considered households that will be added. So instead of 225, we have 230. 900 01:58:20.760 --> 01:58:41.090 John Compton: I I'll remind everybody that the the contracts provide for adding households during the contract period so we could. You know, we can add another 5, and it's all at the at whatever rate the the contract specifies. So we don't. II wouldn't expect that the commercial properties would. 901 01:58:41.600 --> 01:58:58.750 John Compton: My concern was that it might affect the bid, because, oh, my commercial trash, you know, you know they they but but the businesses don't generate. They probably generate less than our residential in a week. So anyway, that's the only difference between 902 01:58:59.830 --> 01:59:04.839 John Compton: other than dates and stuff. Is that correct, rob you? You looked at it as well. 903 01:59:04.990 --> 01:59:22.980 John Compton: Rob really went through it so hopefully. If you've had a chance I can throw them up. But I'd like a motion to approve those to go motion to approve. Thank you, Peter. Barbara. Alright. Does anybody have any concerns about this? 904 01:59:23.240 --> 01:59:35.000 Joan Mahaffey: I just I just John. I just wanted to state that the interior trash in the post office set secure trash. They must handle themselves. 905 01:59:35.200 --> 01:59:39.730 Joan Mahaffey: No, no, the postmaster has ordered 906 01:59:39.840 --> 01:59:46.660 Joan Mahaffey: trash cans that are in the container, and my daughter cleans the the lobby. All that trash goes. 907 01:59:47.140 --> 01:59:50.239 It had been going into the dumpster in the 908 01:59:50.890 --> 01:59:58.299 John Compton: and now it will be going into the trash cans at the back. I can't see how they can do that, since 909 01:59:58.880 --> 02:00:00.660 John Compton: all of that stuff that's in 910 02:00:01.150 --> 02:00:05.320 John Compton: all the mail that everybody sorts and tosses is 911 02:00:05.920 --> 02:00:23.900 Joan Mahaffey: is exactly the trash they don't want anyone to get a hold of, so why are they putting Dumpster? No. So why are they putting it there? But it. That's Carol has been throwing it in the dumpster. So no. But now, now that there's a someone who's an acting postmaster there. 912 02:00:23.940 --> 02:00:30.429 Joan Mahaffey: and they have ordered 2 trash cans which have come in, and they're in that disclosure in the back that Peter was talking about. 913 02:00:30.500 --> 02:00:38.359 Joan Mahaffey: And so when Carol cleans on Wednesday, she'll be taking it out, and then the postmaster will bring in on Thursday morning after it's picked up. 914 02:00:38.720 --> 02:00:43.220 But the the post offices does have some trash that they recycle 915 02:00:44.580 --> 02:00:59.380 John Compton: Peter, we need to run. We need to clarify that. I mean, I don't get a hoot if we pick up their recycling paper. So that's all. With the last 2 weeks they've had minimal minimal trash. They have 4 cans back there. 916 02:00:59.430 --> 02:01:10.309 Joan Mahaffey: and they're not all even full. But Carol Carol brought 6 bags home when there was no trash cans. Carol brought 6 bags home, which is not acceptable 917 02:01:10.360 --> 02:01:15.460 Joan Mahaffey: but anyway, we we got it out between Barb being gone, and he 918 02:01:15.550 --> 02:01:23.329 Joan Mahaffey: I got rid of it. But anyway, I just wanted that detail clarified 919 02:01:23.360 --> 02:01:32.830 Peter Nagrod: by Tadiana and by the post office said, All like you said, all the trash is confidential, and it's contracted to be taken away. There's probably a miscommunication 920 02:01:33.010 --> 02:01:41.369 Peter Nagrod: between the cleaner and the post office, so we we could check 921 02:01:41.620 --> 02:01:49.250 Robert Gilmore: specifically carve out the the post office. So if, in fact, that does need be included, we would just need to tweak the Rp. 922 02:01:49.940 --> 02:01:54.180 Peter Nagrod: yeah. But it doesn't change. It doesn't change the Rfp. For you know, for right now 923 02:01:56.860 --> 02:02:00.070 Robert Gilmore: well, other than that point. 924 02:02:00.180 --> 02:02:03.930 Peter Nagrod: well, we say this 5. There's 5, John. You said there was 5 925 02:02:04.290 --> 02:02:05.230 Peter Nagrod: love 926 02:02:05.740 --> 02:02:13.360 Peter Nagrod: 5 plus the post office, so we would. So the worst case scenario was, we say, 6. 927 02:02:13.380 --> 02:02:19.170 marywarfield: But there are pieces that you can add one during the time, add something so that might be able to be 928 02:02:19.450 --> 02:02:20.530 marywarfield: adjusted. 929 02:02:22.040 --> 02:02:27.989 John Compton: Okay, we need to clarify this. Well, right? The Rfp. With excluding the Post office. 930 02:02:28.200 --> 02:02:37.799 John Compton: so we can get it out if the Post Office really is putting trash. That's something that we have been told what we're told. That would be the opposite of what we've been told. 931 02:02:37.940 --> 02:02:42.089 John Compton: and probably will say, too bad we're not picking up their truck. 932 02:02:42.370 --> 02:02:50.740 John Compton: Okay, but we'll say that's up to the property owner to figure out right now we're talking about only collecting 933 02:02:50.750 --> 02:02:58.329 John Compton: the refuse and recycling from the small businesses other than the post Office, and we'll make sure they are. The 934 02:02:58.490 --> 02:03:01.390 John Compton: clearly excludes the post office. 935 02:03:03.010 --> 02:03:08.539 John Compton: I don't want to get into an argument as to what's true or what's not. We'll just 936 02:03:10.160 --> 02:03:18.749 John Compton: right. Okay with that with that clarification. And to be sure, we're clear, Bob, you have something. Yes. 937 02:03:19.030 --> 02:03:32.740 Robert Booher: yeah, these are. These are Biner. Don't don't despair. I was a little confused, I think both of the both the the titles of the refuse and the recycling say, Refuse 938 02:03:32.940 --> 02:03:46.260 Robert Booher: alright good! And a couple of points on on the recycling. We list a very specific have a list of what is recyclable. 939 02:03:46.370 --> 02:03:57.190 Robert Booher: But my understanding is that the recycling goes directly to the transfer station. At least that's what the Rfp. Says. So I think we should probably either 940 02:03:57.360 --> 02:04:04.580 Robert Booher: be a generic list and then say, and and anything that the transfer station accepts. 941 02:04:04.670 --> 02:04:07.979 Robert Booher: so that people aren't confused and they aren't confused 942 02:04:08.660 --> 02:04:19.889 Robert Booher: so that it so that our our definition of recyclable rules and the county's definite definition of recyclables are essentially the same, since they're going there. 943 02:04:20.480 --> 02:04:21.909 Robert Booher: I think 944 02:04:22.020 --> 02:04:23.040 Robert Booher: the 945 02:04:25.170 --> 02:04:34.869 John Compton: gotcha that. So make it make it basically, specified. We all all recycling. We're recycling will be 946 02:04:34.910 --> 02:04:46.989 John Compton: the the materials collected by the county. Yeah, yeah, they change things from time to time, and we don't want to have to keep up with them. Best to just have it. 947 02:04:47.370 --> 02:04:50.390 Robert Booher: So 948 02:04:50.790 --> 02:04:53.050 Robert Booher: the other, the other thing. 949 02:04:53.570 --> 02:05:05.400 Robert Booher: at various times we've had it had a discussion, and it and it it seems like nobody quite knows. And I think it came up with the the yard waste question of of what do they do with the yard waste. 950 02:05:05.460 --> 02:05:18.439 Robert Booher: and I think that we should be very specific about what they they do with the yard waste, or or at least get very specifics from them about what they do with the yard waste. The 951 02:05:18.740 --> 02:05:29.130 Robert Booher: It's considered a recyclable, but in many, most of the time they just throw the yard waste in both with the cans and bottles and with the paper. 952 02:05:29.460 --> 02:05:45.449 Robert Booher: and and a lot of people separate out their paper. And actually, that's what we call for separating out the paper from the from the bottles and cans and the yard waste from the bottles and cans, if they all go, but into the dumps, into the back of the same truck. 953 02:05:45.540 --> 02:05:48.069 Robert Booher: and that truck goes to the transfer station. 954 02:05:48.500 --> 02:06:07.830 Robert Booher: I'm not sure that transfer station says, Okay, yes, we'll we'll untangle all of your pre, your separated yard, waste paper and bottles and cans. So II just don't know what the answer is there. At 1 point, John, you may recall. When we asked them, they said, Oh, we go to a separate 955 02:06:07.840 --> 02:06:13.400 Robert Booher: separating station and separate it out, and then go to the transfer station. 956 02:06:13.460 --> 02:06:16.150 Robert Booher: So essentially, I think we need to know 957 02:06:16.160 --> 02:06:31.130 Robert Booher: from the bidders what what is their procedure for for handling of the the recyclable material. And can we insist on having a dual if they're gonna handle the yard waste along with the recycling 958 02:06:31.350 --> 02:06:35.650 Robert Booher: that they they have a dual compartment 959 02:06:36.790 --> 02:06:37.520 Robert Booher: truck. 960 02:06:38.140 --> 02:06:43.030 John Compton: Right? So I'm I'm I'm making a note on the, on the my copy here 961 02:06:43.180 --> 02:06:49.240 John Compton: to make make that that one improvement for sure and 962 02:06:49.520 --> 02:07:00.509 John Compton: and and also put in contractor responsibilities in addition to the the household responsibilities for recycling. 963 02:07:00.530 --> 02:07:07.030 John Compton: And we'll address that maybe tell us how you handle it, or we can say. 964 02:07:07.880 --> 02:07:10.820 John Compton: you know, they will be handled this way. 965 02:07:11.140 --> 02:07:23.520 John Compton: right method approved by the town, and and that there should be some demonstration we have to be able to make sure that they actually do it. So 966 02:07:24.220 --> 02:07:37.940 John Compton: that's tricky we do have. We do have a way of finding them. If we're not happy, we can find them so well, we have to know know if they're you know. They just say, Oh, yeah, we're doing it. We're handling it. Don't worry. 967 02:07:38.310 --> 02:07:48.109 John Compton: you know. Hey, John, all, all, all recycling goes in off 3 55. 968 02:07:48.130 --> 02:07:50.550 Cynthia Werts: All your brush goes in 969 02:07:50.630 --> 02:07:58.369 Cynthia Werts: the main gate off Shady Grove Road. Now, if they're taking the brush with the with the the recyclables. 970 02:07:58.420 --> 02:08:06.609 Cynthia Werts: I don't know how they can separate them, because the recyclables will not take them. They can't take brush, because it's a separate building. 971 02:08:06.780 --> 02:08:11.910 Cynthia Werts: and but they do. They don't care over there if you separate your cans or not. 972 02:08:11.970 --> 02:08:17.069 Cynthia Werts: It all goes in a big conveyor belt. You can actually go in the building over there. 973 02:08:17.120 --> 02:08:21.030 Cynthia Werts: They'll let you come in and and watch how it's all done over there. 974 02:08:21.710 --> 02:08:24.260 Robert Booher: and that, and paper, too. They don't care. Steve. 975 02:08:24.570 --> 02:08:28.119 Cynthia Werts: Paper and cans all go in the same area. 976 02:08:28.130 --> 02:08:40.529 Cynthia Werts: They have their own scale off of 3 55 across from where King Pontiac is. When you go in that entrance all your trash trucks go off to the right into a separate building. Right there 977 02:08:40.930 --> 02:08:54.800 Cynthia Werts: the trap the trash does, but the recycling. No, no, all your recycling goes in off 3 55 across from King Pontiac into a separate building. All your trash comes in off Shady Grove Road. 978 02:08:54.990 --> 02:08:59.729 Cynthia Werts: All your your branches and debris are dumped 979 02:08:59.860 --> 02:09:19.569 Cynthia Werts: in the middle, and and all the trash is dumped inside the building. Yeah. And do they? Do you know if they if they can handle if the papers commingled with the cans and bottles, it's not a problem. They're all dumped in the same spot, right? And they have conveyor belts where people separate it. 980 02:09:20.270 --> 02:09:21.050 Robert Booher: Great. 981 02:09:22.550 --> 02:09:37.009 Robert Booher: So then, that's that's great on the on the trash contract on the recycling contract. You said. Say that the the recycling is going to the transfer station on the trash contract. You don't say where it's supposed to go. 982 02:09:37.140 --> 02:09:44.299 Robert Booher: So it's I think we wanted to go to the transfer station, so should probably say that in the contract. 983 02:09:45.740 --> 02:10:05.860 Robert Booher: So then, 1 one other thing, I think this this may be probably jumping the gun a little bit, but the Sustainability committee would like to at some point start, including a preference for electric trucks. I know they're not there yet, but at some point we should start heading in that direction. 984 02:10:08.020 --> 02:10:10.470 Robert Booher: It wouldn't hurt to start now, but 985 02:10:10.880 --> 02:10:12.189 Robert Booher: that's up to you guys. 986 02:10:14.810 --> 02:10:23.000 John Compton: I don't think we're gonna start now as a conversation for the next time around. 987 02:10:23.380 --> 02:10:27.160 John Compton: just like we we ended up having over the 988 02:10:27.470 --> 02:10:35.569 John Compton: over, over the lowers and other things. II mean the landscape contractors equipment 989 02:10:36.130 --> 02:10:36.880 Robert Booher: right? 990 02:10:38.530 --> 02:10:39.750 John Compton: Alright, just a minute. 991 02:10:44.660 --> 02:11:06.369 Robert Booher: Yeah. It's interesting that the the trash trucks in particular will will lend themselves to being electric vehicles in particular, because they go relatively, slowly and around. They're always stopping and starting and stopping and starting really makes a diesel engine emit a lot. And very inefficient. But an electric engine 992 02:11:07.110 --> 02:11:08.389 Robert Booher: doesn't mind at all. 993 02:11:08.670 --> 02:11:09.360 Yeah. 994 02:11:09.970 --> 02:11:10.770 John Compton: okay. 995 02:11:11.820 --> 02:11:12.730 Robert Booher: that's it. 996 02:11:13.020 --> 02:11:13.950 John Compton: Alright. 997 02:11:14.050 --> 02:11:26.319 John Compton: Okay, we will definitely we being and Button and Rob will make some of the changes that we bob just we just discussed that we're we're can be clarifying 998 02:11:26.570 --> 02:11:30.060 John Compton: and and 999 02:11:30.170 --> 02:11:36.180 John Compton: send this out so we can act on this. I think we propose to act on this. 1000 02:11:36.670 --> 02:11:39.700 John Compton: in April. No. And 1001 02:11:40.050 --> 02:11:40.960 in March. 1002 02:11:41.490 --> 02:11:47.810 John Compton: yeah, because you need it for the budget, don't you, that we need it for the budget. Exactly. That's why we're we're we're moving along 1003 02:11:48.420 --> 02:11:56.419 John Compton: alright, so hopefully, so can I get a motion to approve these Rfps with the modifications 1004 02:11:56.480 --> 02:12:05.629 John Compton: discuss today, I will be sure and send everybody out so you can look with the changes highlighted. So 1005 02:12:05.700 --> 02:12:10.269 John Compton: everyone, I'll send it to you, Bob, to highlight it to 1006 02:12:11.350 --> 02:12:14.260 John Compton: noting. So you can just look at those to 1007 02:12:14.780 --> 02:12:17.900 John Compton: show yourself. We didn't somehow missed something. 1008 02:12:19.110 --> 02:12:22.050 marywarfield: I'll move to approve. Thank you, bye. 1009 02:12:22.260 --> 02:12:24.499 Eva: and I'll I'll second that, Eva. 1010 02:12:24.570 --> 02:12:28.689 John Compton: Okay, all all in favor then of proving the Rfps. 1011 02:12:29.220 --> 02:12:31.500 Eva: Hi! 1012 02:12:31.680 --> 02:12:34.330 John Compton: Christine had to leave. She was not feeling 1013 02:12:34.520 --> 02:12:38.430 so. We're down to 5. Noted that. 1014 02:12:38.560 --> 02:12:39.540 Kathy Lehman: Thank you. 1015 02:12:42.880 --> 02:12:47.160 John Compton: Alright. The last item on administrative matters. 1016 02:12:47.210 --> 02:12:48.780 John Compton: We're at 9 40. 1017 02:12:49.040 --> 02:12:49.870 Kathy Lehman: Yep. 1018 02:12:50.120 --> 02:12:52.980 Kathy Lehman: is the playground equipment review. 1019 02:12:53.280 --> 02:12:56.369 John Compton: I just I put this on here 1020 02:12:57.380 --> 02:13:04.679 John Compton: because there's a lot of energy going into evaluating the playground 1021 02:13:04.720 --> 02:13:16.470 John Compton: a. A wider survey is eva has been working with her playground group to create that, she requested all in input and got 1022 02:13:16.500 --> 02:13:41.049 John Compton: more than she bargained for on the survey. So but but it's it's it's getting close to, I'm sure being distributed and all of that is in there's a link to the per the current proposed survey. There are the plans. She did a great send out a great email summarizing everything. It may also be in her report 1023 02:13:41.240 --> 02:13:43.839 John Compton: in the Council. So 1024 02:13:44.680 --> 02:13:50.730 John Compton: if the Council will agree, we don't need to discuss this at this time. 1025 02:13:50.740 --> 02:13:53.659 John Compton: nothing is being proposed. 1026 02:13:53.690 --> 02:14:01.100 John Compton: yet. It's it's more a matter of information gathering and sensitivity 1027 02:14:01.180 --> 02:14:03.980 John Compton: to the the 1028 02:14:04.200 --> 02:14:05.160 yeah 1029 02:14:05.830 --> 02:14:11.319 John Compton: historical attachment to the playground, pay, playground equipment. 1030 02:14:11.590 --> 02:14:15.030 John Compton: the priority for safety, improvements 1031 02:14:15.170 --> 02:14:23.020 John Compton: over new equipment and the like, and those things will will be part of 1032 02:14:23.150 --> 02:14:28.999 John Compton: the discussion when we have time to to go go into it and can put it actually 1033 02:14:29.080 --> 02:14:30.349 John Compton: up for discussion. 1034 02:14:30.920 --> 02:14:34.589 Eva: Yeah. And that's just John, real quick, that 1035 02:14:34.970 --> 02:14:47.610 Eva: I'm gonna send out the survey. I was just waiting until I saw that you had put it on the agenda, so people can be expecting that survey. But I didn't want to send it out until you know we discussed it in case anybody had comments. But 1036 02:14:48.060 --> 02:14:49.560 Eva: it will be out soon. 1037 02:14:50.130 --> 02:14:53.100 John Compton: Okay, we'll what we'll do. Eva is 1038 02:14:53.700 --> 02:15:01.060 John Compton: You can send it to wherever you want. We'll we'll definitely put in the next bulletin. 1039 02:15:01.170 --> 02:15:14.199 John Compton: When would you like, you know? Figure out a, a last, a a deadline for responses. And just make sure everybody in town gets a shot at it. We can even use the town email list and do kind of a grove 1040 02:15:15.200 --> 02:15:21.800 John Compton: grove alert. This survey is available. And that way everybody will have a chance to weigh in. 1041 02:15:21.840 --> 02:15:23.150 Eva: Okay? Great 1042 02:15:26.670 --> 02:15:37.000 John Compton: right. That's the end of the administrative matters, and that that takes us to ordinance. So 202308 1043 02:15:37.370 --> 02:15:38.730 John Compton: which 1044 02:15:38.830 --> 02:15:42.340 John Compton: is about accessory dwelling units. 1045 02:15:42.600 --> 02:15:49.070 John Compton: We had the public hearing. We talked about the public hearing minutes at the top of the meeting. 1046 02:15:49.290 --> 02:15:55.450 John Compton: We had, you know pretty pretty good 1047 02:15:55.510 --> 02:16:01.920 John Compton: input on various opinions. We've gotten a 1048 02:16:01.940 --> 02:16:07.749 John Compton: a variety of letters of one sort or another as well. So 1049 02:16:08.410 --> 02:16:15.200 John Compton: I guess. Well. start the discussion. 1050 02:16:15.660 --> 02:16:20.060 John Compton: with Barbara. I'm gonna point the finger right at her. 1051 02:16:20.980 --> 02:16:30.059 John Compton: because, sit well, maybe I need a little preamble to that. So you know that the the the AV 1052 02:16:30.420 --> 02:16:33.440 John Compton: proposal was looked at. 1053 02:16:33.549 --> 02:16:37.530 John Compton: you know, very thoroughly 1054 02:16:37.660 --> 02:16:39.230 John Compton: by the planning commission. 1055 02:16:39.549 --> 02:16:43.459 John Compton: and they had the Montgomery county 1056 02:16:43.480 --> 02:16:50.599 John Compton: ordinances, the the code as a as as kind of a model 1057 02:16:50.750 --> 02:17:04.150 John Compton: which had to be. Of course we needed to be reconciled with the Washington group's particular, our our particular situation with respect to our zones and our 1058 02:17:04.590 --> 02:17:08.930 John Compton: and and such and our existing orders. 1059 02:17:09.170 --> 02:17:17.139 John Compton: The the public comment has largely focused on 1060 02:17:17.450 --> 02:17:28.040 John Compton: but things very specific to Washington Grove. concerns about you know. Relaxing the 1061 02:17:28.940 --> 02:17:30.870 John Compton: be one residence per 1062 02:17:31.950 --> 02:17:39.340 John Compton: for a lot specification, which is, is, has been historically the case. 1063 02:17:39.530 --> 02:17:49.730 John Compton: The concerns with the attached new new structures. Additional structures on property use. Ha! Having an impact on 1064 02:17:49.870 --> 02:17:51.070 John Compton: neighbors 1065 02:17:51.190 --> 02:17:54.069 John Compton: and coverage of lots. 1066 02:17:54.270 --> 02:18:05.990 John Compton: the parking situation, whether that is manageable, a regulatory system, whether whether we can oversee an adu 1067 02:18:06.150 --> 02:18:12.840 John Compton: process adequately and and a bunch of others. 1068 02:18:13.260 --> 02:18:19.000 John Compton: so I guess I'm calling on Barbara because 1069 02:18:19.160 --> 02:18:22.160 John Compton: she has had a proposal to 1070 02:18:22.809 --> 02:18:25.770 John Compton: facilitate, if you will. 1071 02:18:25.830 --> 02:18:28.460 John Compton: discussing 1072 02:18:29.680 --> 02:18:34.469 John Compton: any changes to planning Commission's proposal 1073 02:18:34.809 --> 02:18:36.440 Barbara: by addressing 1074 02:18:36.900 --> 02:18:45.600 John Compton: main concerns that, everyone has heard from residents since the planning Commission since we received 1075 02:18:45.830 --> 02:18:48.980 John Compton: the the zoning proposal 1076 02:18:49.100 --> 02:18:56.850 John Compton: is only change proposal. I will remember the clock is ticking on this. We have options to extend the clock. 1077 02:18:57.059 --> 02:18:59.990 John Compton: But the council 1078 02:19:00.320 --> 02:19:03.059 John Compton: one way or the other has to address this. 1079 02:19:03.110 --> 02:19:06.619 John Compton: I'll remind you. The options are to amend it 1080 02:19:06.860 --> 02:19:16.629 John Compton: as we choose. If or we can send it back to the planning commission, or with specific instructions to examine 1081 02:19:16.910 --> 02:19:20.509 John Compton: something about about the proposal. 1082 02:19:20.770 --> 02:19:25.730 Peter Nagrod: and those are really our only 2 options. 1083 02:19:26.000 --> 02:19:29.209 John Compton: We can vote it down. I guess you can vote on it 1084 02:19:29.309 --> 02:19:30.980 John Compton: as well. 1085 02:19:31.120 --> 02:19:44.689 Barbara: So, Barbara, you wanna yeah. So just what I had in mind. We do have this small group that Peter has agreed to work on this and Eva as well, and what I would suggest is that we just all 1086 02:19:44.750 --> 02:19:52.490 Barbara: plow through the comments that were made, and we were only hearing. So we heard what everybody had to say. And you know, just sort of 1087 02:19:52.750 --> 02:19:55.379 Barbara: start a meeting with. 1088 02:19:55.530 --> 02:20:15.149 Barbara: well, what do you think you know what comments jumped out at you? Where do you think we need to change things? I mean, one thing we definitely have to do is that definition of what a household is that clearly is in our laps. That's something we're gonna have to do. And we did get some comment on that. But I think just go through things very methodically and 1089 02:20:15.150 --> 02:20:34.930 Barbara: see. You know how we can draft something that really reflects the overall consensus that we got peter has been on this topic for quite a long time, so he he knows a lot. Of course. Georgette, I know, will help us. We have any questions or need any support. So you know, II think we have 1090 02:20:34.930 --> 02:20:46.000 Barbara: kind of like a framework to to work from, and I would think that we could have something back to the Town Council by the next meeting. Don't you think, Peter and Eva I mean, you know 1091 02:20:46.340 --> 02:20:47.250 I 1092 02:20:47.540 --> 02:20:49.479 Barbara: I'm so I like to 1093 02:20:49.570 --> 02:21:02.889 Barbara: move forward. I don't think we need to separate on this. We we did get the comments, and and if people still haven't wait in, and they want to. They still have some time. But you know, that's that's what I'm thinking. 1094 02:21:05.570 --> 02:21:13.959 John Compton: Okay. So Barbara's proposing to, you know. Take a a a non quorum number of of the Council 1095 02:21:14.110 --> 02:21:18.879 John Compton: and maybe one or 2 others, and and produce 1096 02:21:18.970 --> 02:21:32.280 John Compton: produce an evaluation to evaluate the the suggestions, the comments, the criticisms, and then come back with something to provide all of the counsel at the town 1097 02:21:32.410 --> 02:21:42.960 John Compton: in, in in terms of what, what, how, how they believe the family would be best served regarding the the proposed ordinance. 1098 02:21:43.740 --> 02:21:48.699 John Compton: That's your proposal before we go forward with that at this time I would like to ask. 1099 02:21:48.800 --> 02:21:59.680 John Compton: It's good idea to just get a little read. Give everybody a chance to maybe give their initial thoughts on on both the the proposal 1100 02:21:59.690 --> 02:22:07.850 John Compton: itself and how to proceed, and then we can. We can agree or not to put this in the hands 1101 02:22:08.250 --> 02:22:10.290 John Compton: of the proposed group 1102 02:22:10.340 --> 02:22:12.170 John Compton: to help 1103 02:22:12.680 --> 02:22:15.160 John Compton: focus the discussion 1104 02:22:15.680 --> 02:22:16.480 in March. 1105 02:22:17.480 --> 02:22:21.930 John Compton: So, having said that the first person up here other than Barbara is Mary. 1106 02:22:21.960 --> 02:22:28.239 John Compton: So, Mary, what do you think? Do you care to comment on this proposal, and 1107 02:22:28.720 --> 02:22:42.239 marywarfield: just in in looking at some of the comments from from people I think something to consider is the notion of phasing it in, and something that would have some concerns are changing the footprint of 1108 02:22:42.390 --> 02:22:48.659 marywarfield: of the community by having additional wellings. Then if we did it in 1109 02:22:48.740 --> 02:23:01.639 marywarfield: I don't wanna say trial period, but phasing it in, so that you know we accomplish all the things that we want to do in terms of having people being able to have additional residential units within, you know, within their 1110 02:23:01.940 --> 02:23:06.299 marywarfield: one property without getting into 1111 02:23:06.550 --> 02:23:17.420 marywarfield: that that in the first phase of it actually building additional additional houses. you know, looking at the ha, at the community. They're probably not that me. 1112 02:23:17.440 --> 02:23:22.470 marywarfield: you know many lots that will that it will apply to. But I'm just. 1113 02:23:22.550 --> 02:23:35.400 marywarfield: Several people have brought that up, and I thought that that might be be one way to to deal with some of the concerns in terms of the impact on the community while still being able to 1114 02:23:35.430 --> 02:23:38.450 marywarfield: to reach the goals that we wanted thumbs. 1115 02:23:38.810 --> 02:23:46.039 marywarfield: The only other thing. And II mentioned this to Peter, and this is just the question that maybe you all can do when you do. An amate amendment is 1116 02:23:46.100 --> 02:23:49.659 marywarfield: whenever it refers to the parking it. 1117 02:23:50.070 --> 02:23:57.020 marywarfield: requirements, it says on site parking. And I look through everything that there is and 1118 02:23:57.110 --> 02:24:01.239 marywarfield: not really defined. And I just think it's part of the 1119 02:24:01.470 --> 02:24:02.370 marywarfield: the 1120 02:24:02.510 --> 02:24:07.940 marywarfield: addressing that we should somewhere define what we mean by on on site, because 1121 02:24:08.090 --> 02:24:21.589 marywarfield: some certainly down our end of the neighborhood. There is no onsite parking, and so people, you know, have to park in front of their houses. And so I can see the question coming up. Well, you know, that's, you know, comparing that to 1122 02:24:22.020 --> 02:24:32.530 marywarfield: to what already exist. I just think some definition of going forward for these additional units. What we mean by actually on site parking should clarify that. 1123 02:24:35.400 --> 02:24:41.300 John Compton: Okay, thank you. In reverse. Alphabetical order. Ava, I think you're next. 1124 02:24:42.750 --> 02:24:54.429 Eva: Yeah. II guess I'm confused. I didn't know if we were talking about our thoughts about handing this over to the group of 3. Or if we're just talking more in general about our thoughts about the avu 1125 02:24:55.100 --> 02:25:03.669 Eva: proposal in general. Okay, yeah. I mean, I think, 1126 02:25:04.540 --> 02:25:13.619 Eva: I would want to go through all the comments that have been made again. But I do think Questioning Grove is so you such a unique community, and every single 1127 02:25:13.660 --> 02:25:15.060 Eva: piece of property 1128 02:25:15.190 --> 02:25:17.779 Eva: is unique, and 1129 02:25:17.830 --> 02:25:20.490 Eva: I don't think a one size fits all 1130 02:25:20.590 --> 02:25:24.260 Eva: you know, for ad requirement might 1131 02:25:24.400 --> 02:25:29.759 Eva: make sense for us. You know that this is, and I think that's in there already, where you know 1132 02:25:29.770 --> 02:25:36.499 Eva: things have to get approved, and I don't know. I think I would just wanna look at it again with an eye to 1133 02:25:36.570 --> 02:25:46.330 Eva: what works on one person's property is not going to work on another person's property, and we need to be aware of that. Going forward. 1134 02:25:49.750 --> 02:25:53.080 John Compton: Okay, thank thank you. Ava. And Peter. 1135 02:25:53.530 --> 02:26:04.360 Peter Nagrod: I was impressed with the the comments. Anyway, I thought, I think that we pretty much covered everything I'm looking. I think Barbara's proposal is a great way for us to go forward 1136 02:26:04.410 --> 02:26:08.480 Peter Nagrod: and assimilate all this information. I'm having work. 1137 02:26:08.790 --> 02:26:18.370 Peter Nagrod: Barbara said. For several years. I'm I'm very happy that they were not that many comments, and it seems like most of the population, is very 1138 02:26:18.580 --> 02:26:30.699 Peter Nagrod: favorable, except for a few concerns which I think I think I'm pretty confident that we can address those in at the next meeting. We will have something that you know. 1139 02:26:31.130 --> 02:26:32.370 Peter Nagrod: and move forward. 1140 02:26:34.370 --> 02:26:38.880 marywarfield: Can I add something else? And I think this is something that's been brought up again. 1141 02:26:38.940 --> 02:26:43.319 marywarfield: and it kind of carries over to some other issues in town. And that's you know it 1142 02:26:43.410 --> 02:26:51.519 marywarfield: relying totally on Montgomery County for enforcement. So it's gonna kind of bring back up that area, you know, if there's some violations 1143 02:26:51.560 --> 02:26:57.170 marywarfield: who is gonna report it? Who's responsibility? Is it to follow through? And what if you know the county 1144 02:26:57.230 --> 02:27:10.099 marywarfield: just with working with them for the vacant housing issue. It's not, you know. It's not. It sounds really good on on paper, but actually getting getting things done by the county 1145 02:27:10.210 --> 02:27:12.380 marywarfield: could be problematic. And so, maybe 1146 02:27:12.430 --> 02:27:16.660 marywarfield: having something a little bit more specific in terms of how we go about 1147 02:27:16.800 --> 02:27:18.589 marywarfield: enforcing any violation 1148 02:27:19.210 --> 02:27:23.950 marywarfield: within the town without this. 1149 02:27:25.590 --> 02:27:26.890 Eva: That's a good point. 1150 02:27:28.650 --> 02:27:29.460 John Compton: Okay. 1151 02:27:30.680 --> 02:27:31.460 John Compton: Rob. 1152 02:27:33.220 --> 02:27:39.489 Robert Gilmore: I think that Barbara's proposal is very sensible, as 1153 02:27:39.890 --> 02:27:42.440 Robert Gilmore: as usual, from Barbara. 1154 02:27:42.550 --> 02:27:45.510 Robert Gilmore: So II support it. 1155 02:27:45.720 --> 02:27:53.540 Robert Gilmore: And and more generally. II mean, I think, that this is an important measure that we need to implement. 1156 02:27:53.870 --> 02:27:55.789 Robert Gilmore: the town is 1157 02:27:55.990 --> 02:28:10.489 Robert Gilmore: II think it's something that can help maintain the vitality of the town. And II hope Peter is right. II think that he is that that most people supported and and understand. 1158 02:28:10.550 --> 02:28:13.000 Robert Gilmore: that it will be something that will. 1159 02:28:14.450 --> 02:28:19.310 Robert Gilmore: I think, improve the vitality and live ability of the town and desirability. 1160 02:28:22.200 --> 02:28:30.169 John Compton: Okay, I'm gonna make some comments. Iii put material in the in the public folder for this meeting. 1161 02:28:30.310 --> 02:28:41.039 John Compton: Of of the State has a task force. Maybe you task force, and they've been meeting since last year mid year, and they're continuing to meet 1162 02:28:41.420 --> 02:28:56.970 John Compton: they task force was charged with proposing a state approach, IE. Legislation regarding 1163 02:28:57.060 --> 02:29:02.590 John Compton: a allowing accessory to dwelling units 1164 02:29:02.700 --> 02:29:21.300 John Compton: on a single zones of zone for single residences. And so they're looking at all the pros and cons and all across the State. Looking at what exists in municipalities, etc. So 1165 02:29:23.360 --> 02:29:24.610 John Compton: What's important 1166 02:29:24.930 --> 02:29:28.320 John Compton: to realize. Is there an advisory group? It's not 1167 02:29:28.470 --> 02:29:39.430 John Compton: whatever they're saying, whatever that has been recommended provisionally is not going to be legislation. The Legislature has to pass legislation. So 1168 02:29:39.460 --> 02:29:50.280 John Compton: What they're tentatively thinking is valuable to look at, and certainly they are addressing virtually every issue that we have addressed 1169 02:29:50.330 --> 02:29:51.620 John Compton: here. 1170 02:29:51.750 --> 02:30:07.999 John Compton: In one way or another, and there are a couple of focus groups. I urge everybody to read those those, both the levels of concerns. But the the tentative recommendations as of November, that obviously probably likely to change 1171 02:30:08.390 --> 02:30:15.299 John Compton: one of the things that is an issue which no one mentioned here are the proposed ordinance. We have. 1172 02:30:15.370 --> 02:30:22.730 John Compton: Well, I'm not ordinances around the State. Some often. Some of them 1173 02:30:22.920 --> 02:30:28.040 John Compton: require the owner of the property to reside in one of the 2 units 1174 02:30:29.420 --> 02:30:40.319 John Compton: that has is interesting is an interesting idea, because it places the owner. The property owner, then, has a vested interest 1175 02:30:40.480 --> 02:30:50.430 John Compton: in their their Co. The the other unit, whether it's attached or separate on their property. 1176 02:30:50.590 --> 02:30:54.649 John Compton: One of the intents of the adu 1177 02:30:54.970 --> 02:30:56.170 John Compton: movement. 1178 02:30:56.260 --> 02:31:00.400 John Compton: however, is to increase the number of housing units available. 1179 02:31:00.720 --> 02:31:05.900 John Compton: And the thought was. And and that relates to 1180 02:31:05.930 --> 02:31:09.320 John Compton: well, how do we do you want to promote long term? 1181 02:31:09.490 --> 02:31:15.589 John Compton: unit occupancy. Or do you wanna have short term rentals? 1182 02:31:15.970 --> 02:31:24.690 John Compton: And that's another factor that is handled differently by different municipalities currently. And the State is 1183 02:31:24.700 --> 02:31:29.170 John Compton: probably going to be be 1184 02:31:29.350 --> 02:31:30.900 John Compton: ekumatic all that 1185 02:31:30.990 --> 02:31:34.529 John Compton: you know. Tha that'll be good but short term rentals. 1186 02:31:35.150 --> 02:31:40.900 John Compton: Washington Grove may not be so good with short term rentals. Not that we can specifically prevent them, but we. 1187 02:31:41.170 --> 02:31:43.839 John Compton: having a homeowner occupied 1188 02:31:44.020 --> 02:31:52.240 John Compton: a property owner occupied unit, will certainly impact the likelihood, or the at least the conduct of a short term rental 1189 02:31:52.520 --> 02:31:55.740 John Compton: situation. So that that's one of my points. 1190 02:31:55.900 --> 02:32:02.819 John Compton: the household definition proposal is another one from the county is. 1191 02:32:03.360 --> 02:32:10.380 John Compton: as several people appointed a member of aspect from a number of points of view. It it is, it has some, some. 1192 02:32:10.530 --> 02:32:14.940 John Compton: some some restrictions that may or may not be desirable. 1193 02:32:15.240 --> 02:32:21.710 John Compton: so II think those sorts of things should be looked at and and considered. 1194 02:32:22.080 --> 02:32:40.969 John Compton: Okay, don't wanna beat beat a dead course sounds like most of you were in favor of having Barbara and Peter. And who else was gonna do help you? Eva? Okay come back with their evaluation in there. 1195 02:32:41.390 --> 02:32:44.589 John Compton: their thoughts on 1196 02:32:45.760 --> 02:32:50.189 John Compton: improving. Let's put it that way, the the proposed ordinance. 1197 02:32:50.820 --> 02:32:58.189 John Compton: So can I just get a a sense of the Council in peeling that this is a good way to 1198 02:32:58.290 --> 02:33:01.079 John Compton: to proceed, and everybody just 1199 02:33:01.900 --> 02:33:11.239 John Compton: Peter obviously in favor. So we'll do that. And good luck, guys. 1200 02:33:11.920 --> 02:33:14.489 John Compton: on on these issues. Thanks. 1201 02:33:15.730 --> 02:33:17.850 Barbara: Has her hand up. 1202 02:33:18.360 --> 02:33:26.270 Georgette Cole: Yes, Georgette, sorry II sorry. II just put it up just very briefly. I remember noticing in the 1203 02:33:26.290 --> 02:33:28.579 Georgette Cole: minutes from the 1204 02:33:28.790 --> 02:33:40.630 Georgette Cole: public hearing that someone possibly John Mcclelland, said that the town didn't have any restrictions like requiring owner occupancy. 1205 02:33:40.640 --> 02:33:47.069 Georgette Cole: But, in fact we do. It's not mentioned explicitly in the ordinance. 1206 02:33:47.130 --> 02:33:50.760 Georgette Cole: but we adopted the part of Montgomery County's 1207 02:33:50.890 --> 02:34:00.499 Georgette Cole: requirements that would require owner occupancy on the property, and also which prohibits short-term rentals like Airbnb's. 1208 02:34:01.360 --> 02:34:03.659 Georgette Cole: Just just FYI. 1209 02:34:04.000 --> 02:34:10.129 John Compton: So let me get make sure I understand you what the county, the county's code 1210 02:34:11.090 --> 02:34:20.719 John Compton: wires home, I mean property owner, occupancy, and no short term. Well, how do they avoid short term rentals? 1211 02:34:21.340 --> 02:34:26.860 Georgette Cole: They? It's part of the licensing agreement. You have to get a license from 1212 02:34:26.890 --> 02:34:30.020 Georgette Cole: the department of Haskell's community affairs 1213 02:34:30.070 --> 02:34:39.460 Georgette Cole: and part of the contract that you signed to do that is that you're not going to short term rentals, and that you are the owner who's living on the property. 1214 02:34:42.560 --> 02:34:45.030 Barbara: Well, that's helpful to know. Thank you, Georgette. 1215 02:34:45.140 --> 02:34:52.250 John Compton: that's not mean we can't be explicit about. You know, the problem with going with the county code is, what if they change it? 1216 02:34:53.250 --> 02:34:59.500 Georgette Cole: That's true. If it's if it's something that we feel strongly about. I'm sure that 1217 02:34:59.580 --> 02:35:06.980 John Compton: the subcommittee could add that easily. It's stronger if we specifically 1218 02:35:07.940 --> 02:35:11.139 John Compton: indicate that rather than just depend on it. 1219 02:35:11.230 --> 02:35:12.609 John Compton: staying in the county code. 1220 02:35:13.490 --> 02:35:23.700 marywarfield: II have a question in the definition of household. One of them was unrelated. 5 unrelated people in a group that 1221 02:35:23.910 --> 02:35:28.750 marywarfield: it says something about that. We're mandated. It could be criminally 1222 02:35:28.990 --> 02:35:34.549 marywarfield: required. Does that mean that other group housing situations that are not related. 1223 02:35:34.920 --> 02:35:36.690 marywarfield: Would be neat 1224 02:35:36.800 --> 02:35:39.460 marywarfield: will be included very acceptable. 1225 02:35:40.920 --> 02:35:41.910 marywarfield: Doesn't say 1226 02:35:43.420 --> 02:35:46.860 John Compton: I think the county's intention was to exclude those 1227 02:35:47.540 --> 02:35:50.460 marywarfield: right. So meaning that other unrelated groups. 1228 02:35:50.630 --> 02:35:53.630 marywarfield: the group homes would be would be something that would be allowed 1229 02:35:54.230 --> 02:35:55.410 John Compton: would not be allowed. 1230 02:35:55.950 --> 02:35:57.610 John Compton: They were called 1231 02:35:57.860 --> 02:36:02.120 John Compton: separate. They, I think they require separate terminating for those. 1232 02:36:02.600 --> 02:36:06.039 marywarfield: Okay? Well, that's why I was asking. Because instead, group homes 1233 02:36:06.120 --> 02:36:12.400 marywarfield: that was criminally mandated. So I was wondering if that meant that ones that were not criminally mandated. 1234 02:36:12.500 --> 02:36:14.030 marywarfield: We're allowed, doesn't 1235 02:36:14.080 --> 02:36:18.590 Kathy Lehman: I? Don't. I'm not an expert on account. Okay. 1236 02:36:19.880 --> 02:36:21.879 marywarfield: what might. 1237 02:36:23.620 --> 02:36:25.099 marywarfield: If we're adopting that 1238 02:36:25.590 --> 02:36:28.029 Dave Cosson: correctly, I have to tell you 1239 02:36:28.160 --> 02:36:32.670 John Compton: and Georgette, you guys may already have done this. I tried to find in the county code 1240 02:36:32.790 --> 02:36:33.820 John Compton: where 1241 02:36:34.180 --> 02:36:40.510 John Compton: the specifications for ad use was, and all of the multiple locations 1242 02:36:41.060 --> 02:36:44.140 John Compton: didn't actually indicate what 1243 02:36:45.680 --> 02:36:53.769 John Compton: what was being summarized as the requirements radios like owner occupancy. I don't think I could find. I don't think I found that 1244 02:36:53.880 --> 02:37:07.289 John Compton: specifically, I'm not saying it's not there. It's just that, you know. II know what you're saying, John, cause II sort of poked around a bit, too, and I find it in there 1245 02:37:07.560 --> 02:37:11.590 Georgette Cole: handout documents and in in the 1246 02:37:11.740 --> 02:37:20.730 Georgette Cole: paperwork and the paperwork that they give people, but not in, not in their, not in the code. 1247 02:37:21.070 --> 02:37:23.129 Georgette Cole: but at least I haven't found it yet. 1248 02:37:23.260 --> 02:37:34.749 John Compton: Yeah. Perplex me a little as to where they're getting their summary information. You know. I pointed all of these parts of the code, but they're very hard to understand. 1249 02:37:36.510 --> 02:37:42.169 John Compton: Okay, thanks everybody. We can move along then. 1250 02:37:42.400 --> 02:37:54.030 John Compton: to something we may, or we certainly don't want to get into today. First of all. So Alan did deliver. I'm talking, Rob. 1251 02:37:54.160 --> 02:38:02.970 John Compton: the the requested evaluation of the the State county and town 1252 02:38:03.070 --> 02:38:17.580 John Compton: authority and legislation to to deal with neglected property maintenance. She sent it to me, she said. It's a little dense. You may find it a little dense. 1253 02:38:17.660 --> 02:38:28.610 John Compton: And I did read it, and it you know it is. It is a lot the bottom line, is. It provides a a, a summary of 1254 02:38:28.820 --> 02:38:34.189 John Compton: what's available, a few of her opinions on what's might work. 1255 02:38:34.400 --> 02:38:40.610 John Compton: and, most importantly, at the end, it says she's available for any 1256 02:38:40.720 --> 02:38:52.089 John Compton: any to answer any questions and and discussion with the Council. So II initially put it into the public document area, but I took it out on Rob's 1257 02:38:52.370 --> 02:39:01.090 John Compton: Rob's comment that maybe we want to keep this in the nature of a public of of of a private legal 1258 02:39:01.250 --> 02:39:06.710 John Compton: advice. So for now we're it's not generally available 1259 02:39:06.880 --> 02:39:16.759 John Compton: to others. And I I'm gonna suggest that we schedule a future meeting. Not sure it can be on March, but it could be 1260 02:39:16.840 --> 02:39:21.340 John Compton: for and maybe offline, you can 1261 02:39:21.480 --> 02:39:23.180 John Compton: offer your opinions. 1262 02:39:23.620 --> 02:39:28.369 John Compton: not a discussion, but opinions, as where we should go 1263 02:39:28.390 --> 02:39:41.230 John Compton: with the information that, Sullen has, provided you can offer it now as well. I donna I think. Can we go into executive session? A a non public hearing to 1264 02:39:41.320 --> 02:39:44.929 Robert Gilmore: and and maybe with Sue Ellen. 1265 02:39:45.120 --> 02:39:48.660 Robert Gilmore: yeah. Cause that's what I would suggest that we do just 1266 02:39:48.710 --> 02:39:55.259 Robert Gilmore: to for, so that we can get the the legal advice, and then we can decide. 1267 02:39:55.660 --> 02:40:10.539 Robert Gilmore: II you know, I mean III certainly want there to be a a public discussion with the town involved. I just don't want to jeopardize the the attorney client privilege which we currently have. With her and and the memo itself 1268 02:40:10.620 --> 02:40:17.070 Robert Gilmore: provide legal analysis, and to it there are some things in it that II think that we 1269 02:40:17.160 --> 02:40:22.000 Robert Gilmore: would want to, you know. probably confidential legal advice. 1270 02:40:24.920 --> 02:40:39.600 John Compton: So I mean, we can hold further discussion about this Ne. Next month already going to address the adu business. We're going to finalize. The Sultan's the stormwater management. Rfp. 1271 02:40:39.930 --> 02:40:42.610 John Compton: I guess. 1272 02:40:42.900 --> 02:40:48.430 Robert Gilmore: I mean, maybe we could find a time like just, for I don't know 1273 02:40:48.630 --> 02:40:55.430 Robert Gilmore: an an hour between now and the next meeting, when we could have an executive session with Sue. Ellen. 1274 02:40:56.870 --> 02:40:58.730 John Compton: Okay, 1275 02:40:59.110 --> 02:41:09.980 John Compton: II know that's your your proposal, Rob. My reading of that memo. It wasn't all that contrary, I mean, I didn't think there was anything legally 1276 02:41:12.200 --> 02:41:16.080 John Compton: It was mostly a a recitation of 1277 02:41:16.090 --> 02:41:24.290 John Compton: You know what exists? And you might. Did she get it right, or did she not get it right? I you know I don't know. I'm gonna check, though everything she's written. 1278 02:41:24.810 --> 02:41:31.630 John Compton: But she didn't really offer any real advice that was at least advice. That was 1279 02:41:32.360 --> 02:41:43.379 Robert Gilmore: without without revealing too much the substance. I think there are various kind of 1280 02:41:44.130 --> 02:41:55.710 Robert Gilmore: judgments or opinions. It's not. It's not simply like, here's the statutes. There. There are various sort of views on the, on the different measures. Which 1281 02:41:55.740 --> 02:41:56.970 Robert Gilmore: I just think 1282 02:41:57.040 --> 02:42:10.410 Robert Gilmore: mainly as a matter of principle. I want to be deliberate before we disclose. Why don't we proceed? 1283 02:42:10.630 --> 02:42:13.690 John Compton: If if it looks like we can do this? 1284 02:42:15.350 --> 02:42:29.380 John Compton: Oh, well, let me just ask, is is that everyone prepared to support a a a an hour or meeting of our plus meeting which will go into 1285 02:42:29.430 --> 02:42:35.620 John Compton: you know. Executive session excluding the public. I'll have to look and see. 1286 02:42:36.210 --> 02:42:41.720 John Compton: Well, they should be a no-brainer. It's legal advice that is one of the allowed 1287 02:42:41.800 --> 02:42:48.169 John Compton: exceptions to the Oma session. 1288 02:42:48.600 --> 02:42:55.440 John Compton: So if you want, if you want to do that, then we probably should, we should. It would be better at this point schedule that 1289 02:42:55.660 --> 02:42:58.220 John Compton: differently from the council meeting. 1290 02:42:59.310 --> 02:43:05.719 marywarfield: So so would that would that be? Including not only what we? What is there but 1291 02:43:05.830 --> 02:43:10.469 marywarfield: some suggestions as to how we move forward in terms of? We needed to 1292 02:43:10.510 --> 02:43:17.100 marywarfield: adapt the town code or some of the things she brought up. How do you inspect getting an inspector 1293 02:43:17.140 --> 02:43:25.419 John Compton: doing citations? I mean all those stuff it it could be. It could involve discussion, Mary, but all of that would have to be 1294 02:43:26.580 --> 02:43:31.929 John Compton: any actions by the Council, or that would have to be done. An open meeting. 1295 02:43:32.480 --> 02:43:43.000 Robert Gilmore: This is merely to make sure we understand, and II think I think, that the the driver probably should be to have Sue Ellen. 1296 02:43:43.100 --> 02:44:07.649 Robert Gilmore: attend. I mean, I I'm my hope right? So it's it's really just to get kind of the the complete legal advice. Ask her questions based on her memo, and then you know the the II wanna reassure the town like W. We will have a discussion about the neglected maintenance of properties. From you know. 1297 02:44:07.670 --> 02:44:17.020 Robert Gilmore: town action standpoint and want the what we'll, I'm sure, share our views. This is strictly just to protect, like the legal advice. Aspect of it. 1298 02:44:18.130 --> 02:44:19.160 Peter Nagrod: And 1299 02:44:20.130 --> 02:44:26.259 John Compton: okay, well, if you want to schedule that to move ahead this month 1300 02:44:26.780 --> 02:44:31.339 John Compton: or before the next meeting, this being the eleventh 1301 02:44:33.220 --> 02:44:35.290 John Compton: you want to stick with. 1302 02:44:36.010 --> 02:44:44.180 John Compton: What do we need to ask for Sue Ellen? Well, yeah, but I need a few dates. I can't just 1303 02:44:44.400 --> 02:44:46.359 John Compton: be too open-ended on it. 1304 02:44:46.560 --> 02:44:51.459 John Compton: Look, we've got March Fourth. That's a Monday we've got. 1305 02:44:51.480 --> 02:44:59.160 John Compton: we've got February 20 sixth. That's a Monday, 20 sixth or fourth at Monday. Is there your preference? 1306 02:45:00.120 --> 02:45:07.779 John Compton: We could start with that, and if she can make either of those, then we can, we'll we'll schedule it for them. It will be 1307 02:45:07.800 --> 02:45:11.519 Barbara: II can't. I? Actually, I have a board meeting on 1308 02:45:11.790 --> 02:45:15.849 Robert Gilmore: February 20 sixth, so II couldn't do it then, but I could do the fourth. 1309 02:45:17.390 --> 02:45:18.650 So 1310 02:45:18.750 --> 02:45:24.609 Barbara: yeah, I have something on the fourth. Could we also look at the the Tuesdays there the 20, seventh and the fifth? 1311 02:45:25.170 --> 02:45:28.539 Peter Nagrod: They work for me. They work for me. 1312 02:45:30.780 --> 02:45:32.490 marywarfield: I have another meeting on 1313 02:45:32.520 --> 02:45:34.500 marywarfield: the fifth sustainability. 1314 02:45:44.030 --> 02:45:47.009 Robert Gilmore: Yeah, 22 works 1315 02:45:47.890 --> 02:45:51.540 Barbara: I need 2 days. I can't. Yes, 6 is good for me. 1316 02:45:52.990 --> 02:46:00.890 Robert Gilmore: I'm traveling. I'm I'm traveling the sixth. So II couldn't do the 6 1317 02:46:01.760 --> 02:46:03.210 John Compton: about the seventh. 1318 02:46:04.500 --> 02:46:12.760 Robert Gilmore: Let's go back to this 28 twenty-seventh is we we are so far no objection. How about the 28? 1319 02:46:12.920 --> 02:46:15.060 Robert Gilmore: 28 should work? 1320 02:46:15.970 --> 02:46:17.809 Eva: Is the 28 1321 02:46:18.320 --> 02:46:22.279 John Compton: that's Wednesday. And how about the 20 ninth? Why not Leap Day? 1322 02:46:24.440 --> 02:46:25.280 Barbara: Yes. 1323 02:46:26.450 --> 02:46:28.230 marywarfield: I can do that. Yeah. 1324 02:46:29.500 --> 02:46:30.440 marywarfield: by Kansas. 1325 02:46:30.570 --> 02:46:40.819 John Compton: There are no objections to any of those 3. I'll offer those 3 to, and then I'll get back to you? They are all. Where are we? The 12 we need to give? 1326 02:46:42.050 --> 02:46:45.529 Kathy Lehman: Are they? 2728, 29. Is that what you said? 1327 02:46:45.760 --> 02:46:49.559 John Compton: Well, I'll need to get her her. I think we need to give what? 1328 02:46:50.320 --> 02:46:55.439 Kathy Lehman: 14 or 10 days I don't remember. 1329 02:46:55.730 --> 02:47:02.560 John Compton: Okay, well, we'll try and get this resolved by Tom by day after tomorrow, which would be for 14. 1330 02:47:03.410 --> 02:47:05.909 John Compton: Okay, let me just go back. See what I can do. 1331 02:47:06.060 --> 02:47:09.410 Kathy Lehman: Would it? Would you do it, zoom, John, are you gonna do it in person. 1332 02:47:12.760 --> 02:47:13.650 John Compton: Counsel 1333 02:47:14.100 --> 02:47:15.280 Barbara: zoom 1334 02:47:16.650 --> 02:47:20.670 Peter Nagrod: in person to to disagree with Barbara. 1335 02:47:21.360 --> 02:47:25.560 John Compton: Be good for zoom. It will probably be. 1336 02:47:26.270 --> 02:47:33.899 John Compton: I mean, unless you really want to meet with her because we haven't done that in a while I would love to meet her. But 1337 02:47:36.060 --> 02:47:38.959 John Compton: yeah, a lot of you may never actually 1338 02:47:40.480 --> 02:47:41.590 John Compton: met with her. 1339 02:47:45.160 --> 02:47:50.859 John Compton: Alright. Well, we'll try for zoom, and one preference for zoom, I'm I'm either 1340 02:47:52.990 --> 02:47:56.139 John Compton: okay, thanks for asking about that. 1341 02:47:56.880 --> 02:48:03.630 Peter Nagrod: It's John. Just but you know we kind of pushed you into engaging Sue, Ellen, and so thank you, because 1342 02:48:04.010 --> 02:48:05.450 it was. It was. 1343 02:48:05.540 --> 02:48:13.269 Peter Nagrod: The other report was pretty generic like you said you could read it all on the on the Internet. But but getting this focus is really important. 1344 02:48:13.380 --> 02:48:19.980 Peter Nagrod: And I think this is this is good. We're all engaged in this now, which is important. So 1345 02:48:20.140 --> 02:48:23.330 Peter Nagrod: thank you. 1346 02:48:24.430 --> 02:48:25.850 John Compton: Alright. 1347 02:48:26.270 --> 02:48:28.930 Peter Nagrod: and thank you, Rob, for pushing John. 1348 02:48:29.050 --> 02:48:37.819 John Compton: And, by the way, Ava said that she was not good on the 28. But if everybody, what else was she was volunteering to pass? 1349 02:48:37.970 --> 02:48:41.560 John Compton: But I'll I'll tell so, Ellen. 27, and 29. 1350 02:48:42.940 --> 02:48:44.249 We'd probably like everybody. 1351 02:48:44.680 --> 02:48:47.359 marywarfield: I can't do the 29. 1352 02:48:48.280 --> 02:48:54.329 marywarfield: II I'm just saying I didn't hear that. Dang it! 1353 02:48:55.050 --> 02:48:58.490 marywarfield: I'm sorry that's no good. 1354 02:49:00.100 --> 02:49:04.540 John Compton: Alright! We're back to the drawing. We're gonna twenty-seventh. Gee, that's good. 1355 02:49:04.700 --> 02:49:06.509 John Compton: About the 8 1356 02:49:06.790 --> 02:49:09.090 John Compton: ballet to Friday, seventh 1357 02:49:09.920 --> 02:49:10.740 John Compton: March. 1358 02:49:10.960 --> 02:49:14.169 Barbara: We eliminate that one. No, I can't do the seventh. 1359 02:49:17.790 --> 02:49:22.990 John Compton: Alright. Then we're coming up on the Council meeting on the eleventh. So. 1360 02:49:23.600 --> 02:49:28.039 John Compton: and you know, unless you want to meet at 6, 30, or 6 1361 02:49:29.370 --> 02:49:31.960 John Compton: and flow into the council meeting. 1362 02:49:32.400 --> 02:49:39.940 John Compton: Well, has to. It will be a council meeting for those of you who have never had a closed session. You have to have a council meeting you, then close the session 1363 02:49:40.610 --> 02:49:42.060 John Compton: and 1364 02:49:42.370 --> 02:49:44.069 John Compton: reopen it after 1365 02:49:44.500 --> 02:49:45.340 closed session. 1366 02:49:45.940 --> 02:49:47.209 marywarfield: Could we do that? 1367 02:49:47.580 --> 02:49:57.429 John Compton: We can do that? On the night of the council meeting. It's just adds fun, because we already know in March we've got business that needs to be done. 1368 02:49:57.910 --> 02:49:58.600 But 1369 02:50:00.470 --> 02:50:06.559 marywarfield: Pretty important. It would be nice if we could all be there. 1370 02:50:07.270 --> 02:50:16.310 John Compton: I'm good. Let me ask you. This is Rob. You're the you're a working man. 50'clock out of the question on the eleventh. 1371 02:50:18.220 --> 02:50:23.100 John Compton: let me look at my calendar. Hold on 1372 02:50:23.630 --> 02:50:32.010 Eva: as a parent. That's gonna be really hard for me to make 50'clock meeting. Yeah. 1373 02:50:34.280 --> 02:50:36.520 John Compton: Okay. 1374 02:50:37.090 --> 02:50:42.719 Peter Nagrod: alright. Well, then, we need to do so. Then 6, 30, which just gives us an hour. 1375 02:50:42.800 --> 02:50:54.120 Eva: I have a question, is this something that we have to do right now, or I mean, II know this has been something we've been talking about for a long time. Is this something that could be pushed until later on 1376 02:50:55.040 --> 02:50:57.449 John Compton: all I could. It's just a way out again 1377 02:50:58.330 --> 02:51:01.170 John Compton: into the public phase. Yes. 1378 02:51:01.680 --> 02:51:06.939 Robert Gilmore: What W. Why do we need. I mean, I I would strongly prefer not to. 1379 02:51:07.220 --> 02:51:13.049 Eva: Okay. yeah. Tha, that's fine. It just seems like we're having trouble finding a date 1380 02:51:13.850 --> 02:51:21.329 Robert Gilmore: does 6, 36, 30 doesn't work. 6, 30 on the 11 doesn't work for some people. 1381 02:51:22.400 --> 02:51:23.550 Eva: I can do that 1382 02:51:23.630 --> 02:51:30.280 Peter Nagrod: for a long night. Well, we'll just try and keep the meeting shorter. 1383 02:51:30.520 --> 02:51:32.980 marywarfield: Yeah. Gender 1384 02:51:33.360 --> 02:51:41.640 John Compton: short agenda. Well, I you know, but not tonight. Maybe maybe it will go back to being short. 1385 02:51:41.860 --> 02:51:49.659 John Compton: okay, alright, you wanna try 6 30 just to just to do it. You can do it. But hope maybe the twenty-seventh is going by. 1386 02:51:49.830 --> 02:51:50.760 Peter Nagrod: Okay. 1387 02:51:51.160 --> 02:51:54.630 Peter Nagrod: alright, that should get everybody on board. 1388 02:51:55.070 --> 02:51:58.630 John Compton: Thanks. That's a plan. 1389 02:51:58.780 --> 02:52:04.900 John Compton: We are at 1020. The next item we can defer. 1390 02:52:05.140 --> 02:52:05.890 Peter Nagrod: Hmm. 1391 02:52:06.000 --> 02:52:13.540 John Compton: the town policy on snow removal, because there's nothing much we can do until we go for a new 1392 02:52:13.560 --> 02:52:17.309 Kathy Lehman: our next winner this winter we're pretty much set 1393 02:52:17.600 --> 02:52:30.909 John Compton: And so I would suggest that we somebody defer this until a meeting when it will help keep it on the agenda. But you know, when, when we can actually address it. 1394 02:52:32.020 --> 02:52:33.439 John Compton: discussion at this point. 1395 02:52:34.570 --> 02:52:35.720 John Compton: that. Okay? 1396 02:52:35.800 --> 02:52:50.699 John Compton: Alright, we're deferring that. Then we're going to the town Council reports. We. We've handled a bunch of stuff that was in there already. A few things of note christine had to leave, but she was 1397 02:52:51.650 --> 02:52:53.700 John Compton: got 2 notes 1398 02:52:53.720 --> 02:52:58.129 John Compton: she reported on the conservation park. 1399 02:52:58.260 --> 02:53:08.550 John Compton: I see I didn't put in. I'm gonna the new. The new group confirmation conservation part, the middle group 1400 02:53:08.820 --> 02:53:16.010 John Compton: held their initial meeting. What they what they're going to do to to start out with. They're gonna contact parks. 1401 02:53:16.540 --> 02:53:22.290 John Compton: And they're going to explore. Discussing this, the state of the matter. 1402 02:53:23.120 --> 02:53:32.949 John Compton: It's it's in her report also, Christine reported in in her website report, and along with the usual page updates and 1403 02:53:33.150 --> 02:53:34.669 John Compton: all of that 1404 02:53:34.770 --> 02:53:41.850 John Compton: that she listed some long term projects that she is interested in prioritizing 1405 02:53:41.980 --> 02:53:58.179 John Compton: for the website, and a few of those I've just noted here on the agenda would be bringing the ordinances up to where they they are currently and making sure they're all available. 1406 02:53:58.350 --> 02:54:02.749 John Compton: putting, making, permitting the initial applications online. 1407 02:54:03.770 --> 02:54:06.160 John Compton: It's a paper application 1408 02:54:06.740 --> 02:54:17.190 John Compton: adding online court reservations for the tennis court. you know. priorities here are are variable. 1409 02:54:17.440 --> 02:54:34.140 John Compton: making the ordinances current, by the way, included the actual ordinances. When you go to the ordinance section. I'm not talking about ordinance 2021 dash whatever we're talking about the ordinances as they have been modified. 1410 02:54:34.670 --> 02:54:38.950 John Compton: They are not up to date. And so this is actually 1411 02:54:39.410 --> 02:54:40.689 John Compton: not good 1412 02:54:41.150 --> 02:54:44.849 John Compton: pours. Nobody can see the actual ordinance. 1413 02:54:45.170 --> 02:54:55.630 John Compton: if if it's not up to date, so that that really is, they can come to the office, but I know that's a pain in the end. I know you have all of the variations, but that's 1414 02:54:55.680 --> 02:55:00.459 John Compton: the point is, it ought to be available on the website. So that's 1415 02:55:00.970 --> 02:55:01.800 John Compton: okay. 1416 02:55:02.350 --> 02:55:03.080 Oh. 1417 02:55:04.450 --> 02:55:22.459 John Compton: next was the playground. We we didn't have the discussion. But that's Eva's. All the information is in there. And lastly, was the rescue committee. Barbara reported that the recommendations of Town Council 1418 02:55:22.570 --> 02:55:29.150 Kathy Lehman: are still pending. Apparently they may no longer be pending while they're still pending, as we don't have them 1419 02:55:29.340 --> 02:55:45.250 Barbara: great. So they they voted on them within their committee just this past. Well, yesterday, I guess it was. Yeah. So you'll you'll see those? There's of course, as we heard the proposals to change the name of Town Hall. 1420 02:55:45.290 --> 02:55:47.419 Barbara: There's something about 1421 02:55:47.470 --> 02:55:54.229 Barbara: screening comments before they go on the website to make sure they're not discriminatory. 1422 02:55:54.330 --> 02:56:09.479 Barbara: There's encouraging the mayor to work with Emory Grove and Gaithersburg on the shared use path. There's exchanging information between Washington Grove and Emery Grove. 1423 02:56:10.090 --> 02:56:16.430 Barbara: and then a requirement for diversity, equity, and inclusion. Training. 1424 02:56:16.660 --> 02:56:25.060 Barbara: So you'll you'll see those as they come from the recent committee that we were going to get a couple of months ago. 1425 02:56:26.190 --> 02:56:52.510 Barbara: They keep saying they're gonna give it to us eventually. Yeah. So so people don't know. You know, a couple of years ago Racic had the survey go out to to residence, and it took quite a while to collect the data and compile the data, I should say not collect it, and there was a series of 5 meetings where the data was presented over. 1426 02:56:52.740 --> 02:57:19.770 Barbara: you know, 2 or 3 months. And we have been asking for the raw data, because not just the Powerpoints of, because some of the categories were collapsed. And you know, we want the raw data and the and we have been asking for that, and we have not received it. So a pending request. The plan is to include that with the recommendations, because I've been asking about that as well. 1427 02:57:19.770 --> 02:57:23.869 Joan Mahaffey: and they say, oh, that'll go in with the recommendations. 1428 02:57:24.360 --> 02:57:25.210 Barbara: So 1429 02:57:26.540 --> 02:57:33.180 John Compton: okay, well, if it arrives without that. their recommendations are going to get short shrift. 1430 02:57:33.910 --> 02:57:34.980 Barbara: Hello! 1431 02:57:35.250 --> 02:57:38.070 John Compton: If only as a hammer to. 1432 02:57:38.810 --> 02:57:43.630 John Compton: you know, finally complete the the survey site circle. 1433 02:57:43.870 --> 02:57:44.950 Barbara: Yeah. 1434 02:57:45.060 --> 02:57:47.959 John Compton: what Barbara didn't say is the time paid 1435 02:57:47.980 --> 02:57:48.990 Peter Nagrod: or additional. 1436 02:57:50.160 --> 02:57:50.990 Peter Nagrod: But 1437 02:57:51.370 --> 02:57:54.010 John Compton: it wasn't just somebody else who did it 1438 02:57:54.580 --> 02:57:55.310 right? 1439 02:57:55.420 --> 02:57:56.320 John Compton: Alright. 1440 02:57:58.060 --> 02:58:06.799 John Compton: Okay. So we are at the final administrative action, which is approval of the minutes for January eighth. 1441 02:58:07.160 --> 02:58:10.039 John Compton: I literally got no comments. 1442 02:58:10.790 --> 02:58:12.210 John Compton: We're all for us. 1443 02:58:12.590 --> 02:58:15.820 John Compton: So 1444 02:58:16.320 --> 02:58:21.510 John Compton: So mostly to approve the minutes. 1445 02:58:21.960 --> 02:58:24.870 John Compton: Alright. Any comments or corrections to the minutes. 1446 02:58:25.450 --> 02:58:39.260 John Compton: No, Kathy's perfect move to all in favor approval of the January match. Okay, thank you. And that's it. Then that the our next meeting will be 1447 02:58:39.400 --> 02:58:46.230 John Compton: either these will be either be a special council meeting on the twenty-seventh or 1448 02:58:46.820 --> 02:58:57.159 John Compton: Or we'll start the march eleventh meeting an hour earlier, and close the meeting immediately 1449 02:58:57.380 --> 02:59:00.109 John Compton: to meet with our town attorney. 1450 02:59:01.870 --> 02:59:02.830 Peter Nagrod: Okay? 1451 02:59:03.640 --> 02:59:08.270 John Compton: Alright. Well, thanks everybody for hanging in there. 1452 02:59:08.490 --> 02:59:12.640 Peter Nagrod: Thanks, John. Bye, everybody. 1453 02:59:12.870 --> 02:59:14.729 marywarfield: But I.