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John Compton: So welcome back

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Peter Nagrod: long time. No, see?

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John Compton: Yeah. not long enough.

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John Compton: huh?

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Peter Nagrod: So we go for the record. They eat 5 people tonight.

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John Compton: I certainly didn't expect it.

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John Compton: They'll be sorely disappointed.

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John Compton: Everybody here

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Peter Nagrod: that Christine.

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John Compton: There's Rob.

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John Compton: Yeah. But there she is. Okay. Alright.

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John Compton: Then let's call the reopen the open session of tonight's council meeting.

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John Compton:  welcome, everybody. The Council is already approved.

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John Compton: Well, no, we haven't. Let's do it again.

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John Compton: So

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John Compton: We had our closed session with the town attorney, and we're back.

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John Compton:  So I need a motion to approve the agenda for tonight, which will be showing momentarily

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John Compton: there. It is

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Peter Nagrod: motion.

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Eva: Thank you.

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John Compton: Thank you. Ava.

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John Compton: alright. Now, this agenda obviously is very long.

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John Compton: potentially long. I just wanna comment that there we have some a bunch of really pressing business that needs to be accomplished.

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John Compton: let me admit everybody else. Yeah, they're still

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John Compton: waiting there.

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John Compton: needs to be accomplished. And then we have some business of of wide town interest to matters. So I have.

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John Compton: I've indicated in several instances, or at least one instance, recommendation that we just

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John Compton: just address

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John Compton: procedural matters. But we'll get we we it's on there, and we can do as a counsel

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John Compton: chooses. Obviously, when we get to those items.

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John Compton: So any other, any discussion about the

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John Compton: the agenda?

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John Compton: If not, then I'll let's move to a vote on the agenda all in favor.

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John Compton: like, I see everybody.

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John Compton: Rob is studying his other screen. okay, we're voting on the agenda. That's unanimous.  alright. Then we'll go to the treasurer support?

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John Compton:  I'm ill prepared for the treasurer's report. Why is that?

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John Compton:  So Gene is here

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John Compton: to

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Sara Jean Moyer: do? You have anything to say about the yeah. There's really nothing new to report other than the comments that I put in the report itself. I do want to point out at the very last page, at the very bottom

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Sara Jean Moyer: at the last meeting

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Sara Jean Moyer: I commented that there was a high amount

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Sara Jean Moyer: in the Pnc Bank Money Market Savings account. It was beyond the 250,000 Fdic insured amount. I did move 250,000 out of it over to Mlg. IP,

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Sara Jean Moyer:  And you'll see, there's a rather high amount in the checking account

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Sara Jean Moyer: cause. That's where the State income taxes come into. And so we had gotten a a chunk of change for State income taxes, and I moved

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Sara Jean Moyer: half of that 60 back to the money market. Just so we can get some better interest. So I just those were really the only things of import beyond the comments that I have embedded in the report itself.

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Sara Jean Moyer: There wasn't a lot of change. From the previous month.

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John Compton: Thank you. Jane. Anybody have any questions about the budget

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John Compton: status and report.

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Sara Jean Moyer: I've gotten most of of folks's budgets in. I will start working on them diligently

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Sara Jean Moyer: the this week and weekend to put the draft budget together.

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Sara Jean Moyer: Although there's some pieces that they're always at the last second, because of

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Sara Jean Moyer: some revenue items we don't get until the end. But the budget is on target for being ready for vote. Yeah. A preview, I should say

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Sara Jean Moyer: at the special. Okay, thanks. Were there any questions about the treasurer's report?

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah.

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John Compton: Alright, if not, I need a motion to accept the treasurer's report.

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Robert Gilmore: I move

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John Compton: Rob moved.

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John Compton: Barbara has seconded, and no further discussion, all in favor of accepting the treasure for February. Alright approved.

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John Compton: Thanks.

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Peter Nagrod: Alright! Moving right along. We have a mayor's report which will be mercifully brief.

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John Compton: However, the best part about my report are the kudos and I want to give a major kudo to Christine. Who's our volunteer super webmaster?

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John Compton: Who has been posting

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John Compton:  correspondence to the mayor and the Council in the last few weeks. That's been quite a flood.

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John Compton: and

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John Compton: this so residents have access and can see what everyone's writing. Those that were not on the list, or, for example, where many of these things are showing up. She's also, of course, updating web the website and distance. You can read her report for exactly what.

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John Compton: But this is been a particularly advantageous for the town

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John Compton: that someone here in town invested in and and things that go on has been spending

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John Compton: so much of her time. Doing this, and I know

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John Compton: that

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John Compton: many of you and all of you and many of the active members of the town are appreciating her efforts for

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Peter Nagrod:  Well, I just wanna add also that from the Planning Commission's point of view

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Peter Nagrod: and information that is floating everywhere. It was all in Charlie's mind, but it was very difficult to access. Christine is collecting all that, putting it in in in a way that we can actually access it. And just from, you know, from the Planning Commission's perspective, it is just incredible how important that is for the town. So thank you, Christine. You know, before

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Christine Dibble: I created this web page with all the residents letters on it, I mean the way to read what other residents had written was.

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Christine Dibble: Go to the Town Hall between Monday and Friday, 9 to 5, and then you can read what other residents had said, and one of my goals and running for council, and then,

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Christine Dibble: working on a website is really to enhance not only transparency from the mayor and and council, but just engagement generally. And I think that the fact that now residents can just go online and read what everyone else has said, really does not only increase engagement, but also

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Christine Dibble: everyone's appreciation for the careful thoughts of their neighbors. And I've been so impressed with a lot of the thoughtfulness

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Christine Dibble: and the care that's gone into the letter writing in the last month, and

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Christine Dibble: You know I applaud all of our residents for taking the time to submit to the mayor and council, and and people who may not have written, but have taken the time to read all of their neighbors, you know, concerns

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John Compton: okay, absolutely

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John Compton: there's another there. The Chili supper was a few weeks ago.  which is kind of the the heart of winter activity after the New Year. To Peggy.

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John Compton: Arlene, and of course the Women's Club for putting it on and getting everybody out, looking ahead towards spring.

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John Compton: good good good activity. Alright!

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John Compton: The next item on my report is the shared. Use pathway.

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John Compton:  the

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John Compton: as you know, the A. An alignment has been identified by Mcdotters with

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John Compton: it is being

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John Compton: the in order for it to be now actually completed. A few more steps which are unfortunately, time consuming need to happen.

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John Compton: For one, they need to do finish a 35% engineering study.

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John Compton: They need to

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John Compton: do a presentation to the planning board and then they will need permits. With from the Parks Department, Wssc. Cause there's a right of way, and God only knows who else.

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John Compton: All of which, before anybody can do any construction but the construction funds

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John Compton: are now in the fiscal 25

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John Compton:  Consolidated

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John Compton: Plan. Infrastructure, plan and due to the help of our Council members, Sidney Cats and and and members of the liaison Committee.

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John Compton: so should they manage to accelerate things. Construction could start in fiscal 25.  looks like it's a clear road to that, just going through all of the steps now

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John Compton: until that happens.

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John Compton: Alright, Historic Preservation Commission.

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John Compton: Nothing. No one has stepped forward to help! Help out the the town with an in their interest in historic preservation. I'll start beating the the bushes

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John Compton: a little more thoroughly, as I'm sure everybody else will.

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John Compton: to fill out the Historic Preservation Commission.

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John Compton:  Last thing on my report is I'm going to be away from the growth for some brief periods

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John Compton: in the next month and a half.

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John Compton: The first will be this

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John Compton: Wednesday through Sunday.

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John Compton:  Mayor pro Barbara Romando is here, so she will hold the fort

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John Compton: then I'll be away again from April fifth through April tenth and that is over our council meeting.

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John Compton: Time. Well, the April Council meeting is April eighth, and I am

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John Compton: uncertain whether I will be able to participate in that meeting. I'll be in Maine.  Normally, I would be able to

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John Compton: do just as well as being here.

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John Compton: Except for the fact that the eighth is the day and late afternoon of the the total eclipse of the sun, which is all reason, gonna be in Maine

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Peter Nagrod: actually experience that.

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John Compton: So?

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John Compton: I was going to ask the Council if you would consider moving the council meeting to the Ninth. That's Tuesday.

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John Compton: I would still be in May main, but I will be in a place where I'm certain I'll have perfectly good

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John Compton: virtual connection. On Tuesday, the ninth.

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John Compton: The reason I'm asking you to do that is because Barbara has not also not going to be in town.

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John Compton: Although she says she may be able to, or probably will be able to

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John Compton: to be at the meeting.

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John Compton: if not, read the meeting.

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Christine Dibble: So how does may I look I'm also gonna be out of town. To see the soul. So it's just the

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Christine Dibble: you know, solar flare, whatever it is. Yeah. And I was just planning on calling in but I'm wondering now if all 3 of us are out of town, whether we should put it off for a week or so.

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John Compton: Well, the 8. II wouldn't want to do it for April 8. Meetings important. And we passed the budget for the town meeting. The the

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John Compton: the council

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John Compton: version of the budget to go to the town meeting. We. We can put it off a week. It's

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Sara Jean Moyer: John the Budget ordinance has to be introduced.

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Sara Jean Moyer: and I believe, yeah, I think we're okay.

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John Compton: to be sure. But we're probably okay. The following week, it's true.

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John Compton: which would be Monday

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Sara Jean Moyer:  twenty-seventh, I think, is the absolute drop dead?

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John Compton: Yeah. So Monday, the fifteenth or Tuesday, the sixteenth. But it does have to get into the bulletin. So whatever the timing is for that.

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John Compton: Yes, I will have to get into the Mabe bought him.

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John Compton: But we'll come back to that at the end of the meeting. Let's not pursue this here we want to get. I think it's the best best policy at this point.

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John Compton: Okay, that's the end of my report.

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John Compton:  The next item, was the basic recommendations

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John Compton: reflecting the the resolution passed last year. The first thing I'd I'd like to do on this on this item Paul is here, and I think, as as

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John Compton: chairperson of the Racet Committee, has something to contribute.

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Paula Puglisi: Hi, thanks. I just first of all, I just wanna say, we have a leadership team. I'm not really the chair. So it's it's a. It's a team. So I just wanna clarify that. But but I have a short statement. You are so booked that I'm just gonna read it real fast.

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Paula Puglisi: Thanks for first of all for putting us on the agenda, but we would like to direct. Committee would like to withdraw the recommendation to consider renaming the Catherine falls.

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Paula Puglisi: Comments are still coming in.

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Paula Puglisi: and some residents would like an opportunity for the whole town to be able to express their opinions.

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and deciding at this point we felt even just to consider.

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Paula Puglisi: would be difficult and even rash. And oftentimes these kinds of events typically take years. We would really like the Council to consider the other recommendations without the distraction of the renaming recommendation.

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and I know those were going to be on the April agenda.

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Paula Puglisi: I don't know if they still can be. But we would really appreciate

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Paula Puglisi: the consideration of the other recommendations. Not being overshadowed by that one

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Paula Puglisi: and furthermore, you know in doing the budget, we've come up with a lot of priority projects. And they're really intense. They're gonna take a lot of time, effort and work.

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Paula Puglisi: And we just wanna focus on those now. So those are the reasons that

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Paula Puglisi: we would like to withdraw that recommendation.

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John Compton: Paula. Now that I have to see what the Council has to say on these recommendations. II did indicate we should decide how to proceed, and

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John Compton: certainly is the time to do that.

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Barbara: So this is Barbara. I just wanna clarify. The recommendations are now in the hands of the Council. So it's really up to the Council to decide what to do. It's you know what I mean. Like. Once it comes here.

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Barbara: it's in my hands. It's not up to basic to withdraw.

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Paula Puglisi: II do get that, Barbara? I really do. But can't we make that request? Because we do still want you to consider the others, and they are in your hands? I get that.

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Paula Puglisi: But this is just a request to withdraw that.

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Peter Nagrod: Okay. well, I'm just gonna go right ahead and say and make the motion.

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Peter Nagrod: That we declined to act on all 5 of those suggestions.

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Paula Puglisi: One.

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Peter Nagrod: excuse me.

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Paula Puglisi: I don't understand.

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Barbara: So wait. That was a motion. So you need a second.

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Christine Dibble: I second, that

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Barbara: okay, Christine.

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John Compton: Alright, it's been moved and seconded. You guys probably should have break to explain the motion better before second it. But that's to to not act

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John Compton: tonight.

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Paula Puglisi: Oh.

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John Compton: forever!

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Peter Nagrod: Yes, to move on.

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John Compton: not to act on them ever.

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Peter Nagrod: Is that what you said? You can always come back? Yeah.

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Peter Nagrod: exactly.

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John Compton: Yeah, I'm I'm I'm ashamed. I think those are the ones.

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John Compton: Yes.

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Christine Dibble: Peter, I am still not clear. Are you talking about forever or just not

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Christine Dibble: acting on tonight.

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Peter Nagrod: No, I'm talking about that. We do not act on them. It it the word forever sounds harsh. But yes. that we're not acting on these. We move on.

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Peter Nagrod: you can. Eraser can always come back.

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Peter Nagrod: you know. You can re, you can reword. You can do whatever you want, but based on based on an overwhelming amount of information that we received and you know about. I can't speak for the Council. We're gonna they can speak for themselves now, but based on what's taken place over the last month.

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Peter Nagrod: I think this is in the best interests of the town.

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Peter Nagrod: and I think that II you know. Personally, I think that Eva, Eva, I love your team. Eva's email she sent today. But I think that that

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Peter Nagrod: really spoke. So you know. put in good words. Well, II feel a lot of people feel about

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Christine Dibble: these directions, and if you haven't seen it, it will be on the website. It's already on the website.

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Eva: Hop on here. Yeah. So II wrote down my thoughts about all 5 recommendations. And it's, you know, it's more nuanced than just a No. But I don't feel that Council needs to, for well, I'll say this for some of them. So, for example, the shared use path recommendation. You know, racic and and or the

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Eva: you know, shared path liaison committee can certainly, you know, go to other communities and try to encourage them to move the county along like I'm not saying, don't do that. I'm saying Council doesn't need to approve that. That can just happen on its own. Same thing for the communication number 5. The communication with

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Eva: Emory Grove. That's something basic can do on their own like I'm not saying, no, don't do that. I'm saying. No, the Council doesn't need to approve or be involved with that. Like rates. It can figure out the best way to communicate with Emory Grove and surrounding communities. So

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Eva: you know, I think my answer for all of those was was a nuance. No, and you can read my, my written comments there on the website and the Listserv. Just that council doesn't really need to act on any of these. Oh, and for the Dei specialist. I said, no, I don't think that we need to hire Dei specialists now. I would support if Racy came to us with, you know. Here's a

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Eva: a 2 h Dei training that we found and we've vetted, which I know you guys have done in the past. I remember you guys kind of vetting a a Dei training that I attended. So if you guys found something that you felt like was appropriate

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Eva: that you could come to us and say, II would fully support, you know, council members taking a training you know.

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Eva: committee chairs interested residents. But I don't. Wanna I don't think we need to hire a Dei specialist, and I don't wanna like I don't know. It's it seems premature like I wanna see who what did you find?

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Eva: What is it gonna be like? And and then we can vote on it then? So yeah, so with the di thing I wasn't saying like, No, I'm I'm saying this proposal. No, but come back to us with something else.

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Eva: So that's that's where I stand. Just to kind of explain a little bit more.

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Peter Nagrod: and maybe Christine can can address the web. You want to address the website, Christine, or so I understand where the comment came from, because we did have that one.

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Christine Dibble:  Rather vituperative, anonymous letter

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Christine Dibble: which I initially posted thinking of the senders free speech. But then John easily convinced me that

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Christine Dibble: people who post anonymously do not have free speech rights.

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Christine Dibble: You have to sign your name to something. And so we made a policy which is really all I was interested in is either having having a policy of yes, we post anonymous letters or no, we don't, and the policy is now stated there.

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Christine Dibble: other situation where anything could be posted, that is, II can't remember all the adjectives that you put in

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Christine Dibble: to the recommendation, but you know, hateful or

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Christine Dibble: the only, the only scenario in which that would come up is in the residents, letters, and they are. As long as those letters are signed

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Christine Dibble: they are protected by free speech.

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Christine Dibble: and so I don't think that this is, this will come up again, but if it does, I think it's something that can be resolved between

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Christine Dibble: the mayor at the time and the webmaster at the time.

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Christine Dibble: and if necessary, we can bring in the council. But I don't see a need for an added bureaucracy of appointing, like 3 people who would look at this, I just don't see it ever coming up.

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Peter Nagrod: Hmm!

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Eva: And and Christine did add something. Just today on the website that says it's like a views express disclaimer that says, the views expressed on this website do not reflect the views of Washington Grove or the Mayor Council, etc. So I think you know.

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Eva: yeah, II think it's clear that those views are the views of the person who wrote it and signed it. And we have a policy of not putting up anonymous letters. And I know, just from this past week.

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Eva: with Christine working so hard to get the letters up in a timely manner, and people being like, why are why is it my letter up? And if we had to add a whole another step to that process. I think it would just be really challenging. Especially with kind of the gray area of people trying to decide. Yeah. And I'm not sure of the legality of that. Anyway, I think we've got a good policy.

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Paula Puglisi: One of the suggestions was to put it disclaimer up. So I'm really glad that happened. I'm actually wondering if people read carefully what the recommendation said.

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Paula Puglisi: not the website in particular. But but that one was not adding another step. It would only be. If there was something that was questionable and that way it wouldn't fall just on Christine shoulders. It was partly meant to protect her and and to have and as far as the the communication goes, between every girl, there were incidents that set us back in our relationship

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Paula Puglisi: really set us back. and that communication wasn't just about the dent.

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Paula Puglisi: but it was also about miscommunication to know who to talk to, to loop the Council in. It doesn't mean they have to be involved all the time. But there would be a person just to know who to go to when something arose on both sides. That's all I'm gonna say about that. I didn't think we were gonna really be talking about all the recommendations tonight.

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Paula Puglisi: I thought I was just going to make this one statement.

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Paula Puglisi: But I'm really disappointed at this blanket. Just no, for everything. So absolutely no recommendation is going to be considered.

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Paula Puglisi: Hmm!

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Peter Nagrod: Of these 5,

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Robert Gilmore: and we are debating it. I mean, we may vote for Peter's motion opposed to Peter's motion. Ii think there are at least 2 recommendations that I think

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Robert Gilmore: are valuable, and I'd support the

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Robert Gilmore: the Town Council endorsing. And so I'll I'll offer an amendment to the motion that we adopt the recommendations. Regarding

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Robert Gilmore: a a formal town collaboration with surrounding communities on the shared

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Robert Gilmore: use path and a formal communication system between the town and heritage Emery Grove.

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Robert Gilmore: I think those recommendations are are sound and and very good ones, and I I'm not I I've seen

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Robert Gilmore: yes, II saw you as note. I saw Shelly's note on a few other people addressing all the recommendations. Obviously the the great majority was on the the renaming and and right 6 withdrawn then. But I think those 2 recommendations are are very positive, and I think that those

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Robert Gilmore: II thi. I think we all recognize. And and I saw Eva you in quoted a note from Jay. But but I took Jay's view to be the more collaboration. The more interesting parties who are pushing together to get this shared use path.

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Robert Gilmore: build better. And so why not try and make a a kind of a more formal allegiance or

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Robert Gilmore: particularly, because it is the something that that absolutely I mean it. We're trying to integrate the town with our surrounding community. So it's it's sort of the perfect

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Robert Gilmore: projects that would bring our communities together.

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Eva: I don't understand why the why the Council needs to approve that it should already be done be being done in the place that we are with. The with the path is that the county is doing engineering studies and going through the permitting process.

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Paula Puglisi: There's really not. We don't really have control over that. The only thing that we're looking. To do right now is to get them to hurry up and push them to do more. So this thing of like well, if we change our mind about something we should tell them. There's really nothing for us to change our mind about right now. We have to really work with the county to get this done.

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John Compton: with the the recommendation, with the the motion that that Peter put forth.  we we we had Rob with an amendment. Did anybody second that proposal?

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Eva: II mean, I guess II would be okay with putting an amendment to say something to the effect of yes, we in we endorse racic and the shared use path liaison group to encourage surrounding communities to contact.

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Eva: mentioned something about vision, and I don't think it like the vision of the shared use path, and II and collaborating and I'm sorry I don't have a language in front of you, but collaborating on the vision, and I think the vision portion is is has passed, and if we try to go back to the vision, then we're gonna slow things down. I think you know I am. I am I wrong, is it not?

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Paula Puglisi: The vision is is for all of the community to get together about the whole area.

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Paula Puglisi: This is yes, this isn't about asking anybody to comment about the little section that's go already decided upon from Washington Grove to connect. It's not about going backwards. It's about saying, Hey, let's see about all the other roads that are gonna end up connecting to the shared. Use path.

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Paula Puglisi: Let's talk about how we can negotiate together for a vision of the whole area, not just Washington growth. The what the proposal said that we would share? What

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Paula Puglisi: bring everybody else up to date with already what has happened in Washington Row, and then talk about what other communities envision, and then collaborate together and negotiate together for up for the rest of the area.

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Paula Puglisi: And this is, and this is bringing them in not to comment on what's already happened. But so we can all have some kind of shared vision and negotiate together with the community.

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Paula Puglisi: It's not about commenting about this little piece in Washington grow.

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Eva: Okay? I yeah, I misunderstood that. That's what

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John Compton: yeah. And what Paula has just said, I mean, I don't have a vote here.

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John Compton: but I think blanketly, I mean rejecting these suggestions without a discussion

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John Compton: is kind of a disservice to the town.

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John Compton: You don't have to move along. We can be here all night.

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John Compton: but the my my recommendation is, don't don't need to take any action. You don't even need to vote not to take any action. You just don't take any action, but I do think I would recommend that the Council pick up each one of the recommendations individually and decide whether to do anything about them.

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John Compton: Just because the town there's been a lot of input. I don't think

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John Compton: means that the Council should abrogate its responsibility to address each one. It can be quick and start. We can start with a vote. Does anybody want to consider this recommendation? No done?

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John Compton: Or if they do, then maybe a little bit. But I think the the just, just. Just in response to the Fuhrer. Let's push it aside is a disservice to the town

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John Compton: as well as as well as to those who these things rob at least, and I think Eva

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John Compton: Ka Ka expressed his opinion that he saw some some advantage to at least several of those recommendations.

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John Compton: It may, it may boil down to that, the mayor well.

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Peter Nagrod: you know, we'll engage in a dialogue

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John Compton: concerning the bike path, and how access to that path from Washington side. Will can be

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John Compton: enhance with our surrounding communities. That's that's a perfectly reasonable thing. I think we just heard heard Paul say that.

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Peter Nagrod: anyway. That that's my I'd like to. I'd like, put the motion up. Okay. Rob used the word positive. Okay.

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Peter Nagrod: Nobody saying that these recommendations, even the Mccatherine Hall name change. You know there's some positive things in all 5 of these these suggestions, and I think the town, despite all the

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Peter Nagrod: excitement that's gone on. We've all learned a lot. We've all had to go into our souls and look at how the past affects the present. I think that A lot of us are now much more interested and excited about

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Peter Nagrod: moving forward and being more proactive with our neighbors.

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Peter Nagrod: Good things have come out of this. But I think what we're not hearing. What Eva said is that, why does a council? Why are we? Why are we

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Robert Gilmore: voting on this? This? Can all be done by race or other people? Why? Why is the Council whether we have to be involved? Cause we're the. We're the town elected representatives, and I. And and I think that

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Robert Gilmore: if we wanna make a a statement as to what the leadership of town believes the town should be committed to and stand for. Then I think, just saying we don't feel like doing anything.

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Robert Gilmore: Well, you racic, you go about your what you guys are interested in, and God bless but we don't care, and we're gonna just gonna blank it. Reject all of these, I think, sounds it sends a terrible message not to just our our neighbors and friends on the Racet committee, but to the neighboring communities that many of us, you know, supposedly professing about.

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Robert Gilmore: II just I think that this kind of cavalier, like just blanket rejection. As John said.

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Robert Gilmore: And II please. II urge my colleagues to to. Maybe we can't do it tonight, because we only set aside 10 min and and the the most contentious. Obviously recommendation has been withdrawn, but I think several of these have merit, and I think we should take each one as John suggested, and evaluate them, and I, for one, certainly think that the collaboration on the shared use path

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Robert Gilmore: and formalizing a communication system with Emory Grove have a lot of merit, and I'd be

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Robert Gilmore: dismayed if we didn't endorse those the particularly given, the rather modest and and common sense recommendations that basic actually promulgated for those 2.

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Barbara: This is Barbara. I really want to push back against the characterization of us as not taking this seriously or not really looking at it thoroughly.

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Barbara: I have spent. Sure I'm not the only one, many, many hours over these this past several weeks, reading comments and talking to residents, and following up with people about what these recommendations were about going back to the history, rereading the recommendations again, I know that I have done a very thorough job looking at all of this, and I feel very comfortable

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Robert Gilmore: That wasn't. That wasn't directed to to you. But I mean

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Robert Gilmore: if people here, when the first thing that the town did was have one of our members at the town Council. Did one of our members say, I want to reject all of these? I propose the town, reject all these basically forever. I mean, not not like deferring it, not tabling it, but saying, Reject all these.

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Robert Gilmore: i and I. And I don't understand why we would reject certainly at at the at least, that the 2 that I've identified. Iii don't think that anyone has not taken him seriously. That's not I. I'm not saying people haven't spent enough time on it. And II we all know, Barbara, how much time you personally have spent

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Robert Gilmore: working with Resc in your efforts have been commendable. Please don't take offense it, but II do think, and I repeat that II think that we will come across as tone deaf if we sort of

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Robert Gilmore: give this the short shrift that it it sounded like we were prepared to give it.

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Eva: from where you know Peter was coming from when he made the motion, like we've been steeped in this. We feel like we've been steeping this for a while now. And you know, we're ready to just kind of make an action on it. I, rob has convinced me that I would want to put some amendments on here, because, you know a lot of. And if you read my response. A lot of mine was, you know. Yes, this should be done.

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Eva: Why, you know, can it? Can it just go ahead and be done? What does the Council need to do? And I guess the Council just needs to say yes. Do that, you know. I was under the impression that, like.

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Eva: I guess I thought like, why. why is this coming to us when it could be already being done? But

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Eva: maybe it just we need to put our stamp of approval, you know. Like I said, I'm I'm all for.

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Eva: you know, racy and the share use liaison committee working with other neighborhoods. And you know that I think I just kind of scanned over that recommendation. It

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Eva: it seemed in my reading that it was just talking about our particular Washington Grove connector. But now that I understand what Paul said, it's about all you know, there's that Gaithersburg path that's gonna come by the post office, and you know, hopefully.

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Eva: So I understand now. It's more about a bigger connecting, you know, with pathways.

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Eva: so I'm willing to say yes, they they should do that as far as the communication system. I'm not exactly sure what we're agreeing to. Like. Yes, we should have better communication.

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Eva: so II don't know. Maybe we need to discuss that one a little bit more. And so yeah, so maybe we need to come back to this. It sounds like we're gonna need to work on this for. And we're not gonna be able to to move along tonight with it.

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Christine Dibble: The the recommendations to me were to Lucy Goosey. If Racy came back and said, Here's what exactly what we wanna do. So we we know is, are we talking about adding more? more work. For you know, Barb, because she's the basic council member, or, you know, like exactly what does racic recommend instead of just.

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Christine Dibble: you know. Oh, let's have more communication. Come back with a specific proposal.

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Christine Dibble: because I can't vote for any of the proposals. The recommendations right now. They're they're just too vague for me, and I don't know really what they need to give some latitude so that the Council would be able to give input and and plan something that was comfortable for them, for you all to that was part of the idea. But if you want it more directive

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Paula Puglisi: I can do that.

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Paula Puglisi: But I really would love for you all to just think about having an actual dedicated time to talk about each recommendation, and I can explain more about what's already there.

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Paula Puglisi: and then, if you still want it to be rewritten and more directive, we can do that.

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Robert Gilmore: on kind of E issues of concern to, but to to the the the town, and to to end the in in Emery Grove community, I mean Con as a contact person and backup for Washington Grove with a process to maintain continuity. If the personnel changes, this could be a council liaison or and a racing member.

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Robert Gilmore: and then the contact. People would need to keep track of the Washing Grove calendar as information between the communities and consult with others if needed. And then I guess there's a I'm I'm not exactly sure about the the 4 person.

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Paula Puglisi: Yeah, and that's not in phone for a reason. But if you want it to be more directive. You know, we we can do that.

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Robert Gilmore: Yeah, I just it it. I mean it. It. It is loosey goosey. But I think sort of for a reason, because we you know. W. We're not exactly sure what they W. What the various things that they're going to communicate with. Emery Grove are about. II mean, this is not

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Robert Gilmore: the the the decision making. Authority always stays with the town and and the mayor. So this just says like, hey? Let's set up a a kind of a liaison system with Emory Grove and and have the

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Robert Gilmore: kind of the town governments.

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Robert Gilmore: someone said, stamp of approval. Same similar to collaborating with surrounding communities about the shared use, I think. Why can't reset do that? Why does the Council have to get involved?

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Robert Gilmore: W. Why why not have the Council get involved? I mean it. The were the government, I mean, I guess III just find it curious. I mean, it's not binding our hands. II don't. I don't think we're even passing.

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Robert Gilmore: is pretty modest proposal, but but to have the town say the town government say the town government isn't interested in that. But if you raise a commit, want to do that, you know. Go ahead. We don't really care. I it just

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Robert Gilmore: strikes me as like II don't think that that's what we intend. Because III know our group. II don't think that people on this committee on this Council feel this way. But it it's sounding

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Robert Gilmore: really bad. I really, I'm really surprised. I mean the the whole renaming that's whole separate issue. But these other ones in particular, I just I'm just surprised that that there's not motion on the table guys. I know you're going back and forth on exactly what what should be happening on each one of these recommendations separately, whether it takes 30 s or takes 15 min.

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John Compton: We haven't had time on our agenda to address address them. They are not pressing matters. We have other pressing matters

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John Compton: down this re, both down this motion, and we will end this topic

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John Compton: and move on and take it up again where there's time to to handle each one in a in a direct way.

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John Compton: Rather, I totally. I totally disagree, you know this is.

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Peter Nagrod: And do you read? If you read everything that's going on

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Peter Nagrod: and if I first of all, Mary hasn't spoken. But you know what we just spend. We we learn, I think the counsel learned a lot by what Paula said tonight and what Rob said tonight. I think this conversation was really really helpful as far as but I don't want to just table this for the next 6 months. I'd like to move on. Let's move forward with this. Okay? So if we spent some time doing this, I think it's well worth it, and we're almost done anyway. But Mary hasn't spoken

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marywarfield: I think part of the frustration was that so much time was being spent on this, and it got derailed into just the, you know.

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marywarfield: to discuss each one individually, but you know we do have so many

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marywarfield: the other things to deal with. Maybe it's a matter of how do we do this? Going forward, you know special meeting for the Council. Discuss with it or

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marywarfield: But II do have to agree that I think we need to. We really just got a lot of feedback on the first first issue, and it kind of took up a lot of time. But

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marywarfield:  you know there are other other modifications. Maybe that can be made with the recommendations. Came over to the ground.

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Barbara: So so maybe the the biggest one that people are most concerned about is the taking off the name of the Catherine on Town Hall. So maybe that is something that we can. If Peter is willing to modify his motion to

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Barbara: address that and then hold the other recommendations for another discussion.

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Eva: Yeah, support that. Because I think. You know Rob's convinced me that we, we need to take each of these.

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Eva: Except for the renaming one, I think we can. A especially given that resick is is

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Eva: wanting to take it back. I think we can vote on the renaming tonight and then say, we're going to continue the discussion and vote on the other recommendations. Cause II do think that like Rob said. There.

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Eva: III don't know. I think I was. Maybe.

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Eva: anyway, I think there's there's stuff there that we can. We can put our stamp of approval on and put a positive spin on that and

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Eva: We need to take more time with those 4, and we can vote on the Rename tonight, and hopefully, you know.

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Peter Nagrod: get some of our other stuff done so. And Paula. I think that one of the things that really worked against you was the arrangement where

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Peter Nagrod: the Mccatherine Hall was a black and white situation, and when you, when you saw that.

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Peter Nagrod: then you assume the other 4 were kind of black and white, and they were not open to discussion.

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Peter Nagrod: I mean, that was kind of my perception. And that's why

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Peter Nagrod: I would say, reject all 5, because we need to have this discussion that we're having right now. So I think, Rob. There is a service by proposing that, so I would change my my motion to say that we would just reject the Mccatheran whole one, and we have a discussion on the other 4.

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John Compton: I'm not sure. Do we even need to vote on recommendation?

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John Compton: Withdraw the second and the and the and the motion, and it won't be voted on. It will just go away.

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John Compton: and then you can introduce a new motion.

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Peter Nagrod: Okay, I withdraw my my motion.

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Peter Nagrod: and I introduce a new motion.

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Christine Dibble: Christine, I think you were the second. Yeah. And what happens if I don't withdraw?

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Peter Nagrod: Yup.

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John Compton: then we'll have to vote on that.

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Christine Dibble: Let me just say I have considered all 5 proposals

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Christine Dibble: as written. I don't support any of them. I would be willing to support some of them if they were more concrete.

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Christine Dibble: So

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Christine Dibble: you know, I'm fine with voting on all 5 tonight, and

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Christine Dibble: and and like I said I would not vote in favor of any of them. What I would like racic to do is come back with more concrete suggestions, one at a time instead of

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Christine Dibble: 4 of them at a time.

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Christine Dibble: and and have them be sort of better thought out, I mean, for one thing, you know, Poly, you're talking about talking to

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Christine Dibble:  talking to Emory Grove. Well, we never talk about any other community other than Emory Grove, and

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Christine Dibble: if you're just interested in building bridges with Emory Grove. Fine. But let's not talk about all the neighboring communities. If our outreach is only to Emory Grove.

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Christine Dibble: that's one thing. Do you want to say something. Yeah, obviously, I guess some of what I've written has not been read or or understood, or I didn't write it well or something. But

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Paula Puglisi: there is a reason

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Paula Puglisi: that we're focusing on Emory Grove right now.

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Paula Puglisi: and that is because that a lot of damage has been done, and from from the feedback that we have gotten. It is clear that we need to improve that communication, deepen the conversation, have more authentic relationships and focus on that before we do the outreach to other communities in a really concentrated way. It's not that we're not going to do it.

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Paula Puglisi: It's just that that is our current focus.

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Christine Dibble: II also think that Emory Grove is a good place to start, because they have a social infrastructure in place around the church around Reverend Warner. I mean, they communicate well among themselves. So it's it's kind of a good way to start, but I just get tired of hearing about Emory Grove and

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Christine Dibble: and nothing else. The other thing is, I want you to consider whether some of this, like working together with all these like with respect to the bike path, for example, could that be done through? You know, East Gaithersburg united like, are we? Are we creating another

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Christine Dibble: group where there's a already group that exists that could do the same kind of work. Community need to be involved in that

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Paula Puglisi: somewhat. But I don't. II didn't think we were gonna really go to sleep, and I really am cognizant of your time. You you do have a heavy agenda here. I was just going to make this statement and go away.

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Paula Puglisi: So I'm I'm surprised that you're getting into this, and I appreciate

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Paula Puglisi: that people are considering another time to really focus on the recommendation. I heard what you said, Christine. And I need clarification about how this is gonna be left.

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Paula Puglisi: Hmm.

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Christine Dibble: alright. So I will withdraw my seconding of Peter's motion.

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John Compton: Okay, so you all know what that means. There's no motion on the floor.

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John Compton: If there is no further motion, we can terminate this agenda item and move on. Or

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Paula Puglisi: hmm.

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Barbara: Peter, weren't you gonna make another motion?

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Peter Nagrod: I it would just be I yeah, I mean, II would like to make a motion do what Christine said, is, reject all 5 and have racist come back with something that's a little clearer as far as what they'd like to do. Well, okay.

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John Compton: II think II you know, in my opinion you've you're

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John Compton: it misses the point of these recommendations. The point of the recommendations was

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John Compton: that there is a lack!

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John Compton: There is something the town can do to

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John Compton: this is, in Raiseic's opinion, to improve things.

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John Compton: That was a gist of each one of these. Whether the Council does it the way they

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John Compton: suggested, or in some other way, or whether, as has been said, look, we're communicating just fine racing. you know. Keep communicating or whatever I mean. Those are all perfectly reasonable responses.

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John Compton: I think.

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John Compton: personally complaining that it's not a specific enough recommendation, is, is it? Tosses it back? It's a it. You can do that and just ignore. The recommendation is not being actionable.

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John Compton: But it doesn't give anybody the flavor of how anybody actually thinks about it. I mean, we've heard some opinions now. But okay, so let's just move on. I'm making the motion motion motion to decline to act on the the suggestion that we change the name of Macron Hall.

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John Compton: Second. who? Second.

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Christine Dibble: I'll second it.

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John Compton: Okay. Well, put Peter, he phrased. That correctly declined to act

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John Compton: is, is exactly appropriate.

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Barbara: This is Barbara! Can I? Can I speak to that?

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Barbara: I think that does. That's very unfair to the residents of town, who have been very emotional and very anxious and upset about this, and looking to the Town council for leadership. And you have seen because they didn't think there was leadership. There are all sorts of ideas of how the town should fix this, you know, have some anonymous vote or something like that. I think we. We see where people stand on this.

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Barbara: and I think we should be clear about where we stand on it. This is why, you know, we had 80 people on the call last time and 39 tonight. And I think if we have a clear vote of what we think of the name change recommendation, then we can put that to rest for a while and calm people's anxieties, and then have a more nuanced and thorough discussion about the other recommendations. So I do not support that motion to not act.

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Eva: Yeah, II agree with Barbara. I think it makes sense to vote on the name change tonight and then

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Eva: discuss the other 4 recommendations and figure those out at a later time.

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Peter Nagrod: I thought, isn't that the motion I made?

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Barbara: No, you said, declined to act

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Peter Nagrod: right on

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Peter Nagrod: correct. But they make the suggestion, and we're not acting upon it. You wanna that's all we can do.

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Peter Nagrod: Oh, so you make the motion. My motion, seconded.

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John Compton: okay, so you make the motion.

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John Compton: Christine seconded. But, Barbara, what? What? What? How would you phrase a a motion since. go ahead. Let's see if it has a different.

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Barbara: I move that we reject the suggestion that the name of the Catherine changed

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Paula Puglisi: it was to consider it.

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Paula Puglisi: Hmm! So you're rejecting motion.

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Paula Puglisi: Hmm!

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Barbara: Isn't that what I said? We declined to act on that suggestion. Okay, so let me say, the result would be the same cause. The name wouldn't change.

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Barbara: but this would send a clear message to residents of where we stand. On this I feel like we don't act. Then people will still be wondering. Well, is it gonna come up in the next meeting? Is it? Gonna do we have a special town meeting for it? All those emotions that have been rolling along Will, still hearing that. So I feel like this, would be really put to rest

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Barbara: the anxieties that people have over this.

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Paula Puglisi: Hmm!

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John Compton: There's a motion on the floor to to decline to act.

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Peter Nagrod: No? Well, I think we already made the motion, and I was seconded.

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Peter Nagrod: Well, I'm trying to

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Peter Nagrod: next motion to Christine

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Christine Dibble: Barb.

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marywarfield: Barbara, I move that we reject the suggestion that the name of my Catherine Hobby changed.

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Peter Nagrod: seconded

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John Compton: any further discussion.

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Eva: I will just say that please read what I wrote, because I have II do think that it was a very good thing for us to consider. I think maybe we should consider it again in the future.

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Eva: But I don't think it is the right choice for now. But you can read my thoughts further.

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Barbara: In my letter I would like to say my thoughts, you know, since I made the motion, and I think it's important for people to know so the the grounds that were given, and and it's important for the future. If people want to talk about it in the future, you'll know why. At least, you know, Eva and I voted the way we did or recommended the way we did.

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Barbara: So, the 2 grounds that were given where the black face and the covenants. Okay, you know the mayor wore blackface. Did he do it to be hostile to black people and show contempt? Or did he do it because it was entertaining

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Barbara: all the evidence I've seen points to the latter, so I'm not going to hold that against him. Something that was very common at the time the covenants

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Barbara: II don't know what evidence there is. I mean, there's a line in a book that's pointing in Phil Edwards book this that's pointing to. But Phil Edwards himself said he did not believe that was behind those covenants. Charlie Charstrom, who knows more about the covenants than anybody, did not find evidence that he was behind those covenants. So for me, you know, I can't PIN that on boy Mccafferin.

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Barbara: so I'm completely unconvinced from that evidence, and of course we know he did a lot for the down. If you read the history, I mean, it's a lot of pages, but you can sum it up with. It was a mess, you know, with shares being sold, and who is in charge? And people were leaving, and the town didn't. The association didn't have enough money. There were a lot of problems, and once it was set that the town was gonna be incorporated.

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Barbara: then it really was set on a path to the infrastructure and and the place that we live in now, and that is due in very large part from Roy Catherine, and that's why his name is on that building.

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Barbara:  the criteria that we use to make this recommendation. We're never clear dave Kossen sent a letter so explaining what Yale did to

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Barbara: consider their name changes buildings on their campus, and you know that may be a good system, maybe bad system. I don't know, but at least there's something there that people can point to the criteria and have a discussion really did not have that here.

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Barbara: and the whole idea about promoting healing with our neighbors. I haven't seen the evidence of that, either, because I'm sure most people outside of our town didn't even know we have a town hall. They don't know with the name of it is whom Ryan Mcatheron was, so I did not see evidence that changing the name would promote any kind healing within our community's.

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Barbara: And then, of course, where the residents stand on this, I don't need to say any more about that. You've read all the letters. So those are my reasons for opposing.

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Paula Puglisi: I hope you read my letter also

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Paula Puglisi: because it was nuanced. My position was nuanced as well.

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Paula Puglisi: Hmm, but

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John Compton:  okay, anybody else have a comment on this motion?

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Robert Gilmore: Yeah, I do. a a couple of comments I don't support the name. Change.

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Robert Gilmore: My view is a

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Robert Gilmore: or why I don't support. It is a probably a little different, and I think it just boils down to this.

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Robert Gilmore: the first I would think it's important to say. The black face, the minstrel. See. it's disgusting. It's an embarrassing that

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Robert Gilmore: it was commonplace. It's embarrassing that a former mayor of our town. Engage in it.

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Robert Gilmore: and sure lots of other people did it, but lots of other people at the time

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Robert Gilmore: before and after recognized it, rejected it and didn't support it, and didn't engage in it.

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Robert Gilmore: I think it's important for us to just kind of confront that

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Robert Gilmore: many of us, I'm sure, have grandparents and great grandparents who have, who we knew

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Robert Gilmore: out of their mouths, seeing them engage in racist acts, and it was embarrassing and shameful for us.

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Robert Gilmore: and we rightly should reject it. We rightly should call them out. We should say that was wrong.

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Robert Gilmore: I don't support changing the name because

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Robert Gilmore: Roy Mcathan isn't the only Mac Catherine, and we have a family of people in our town who still live here, who are neighbors who continued up until very recently.

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Robert Gilmore: With Jolie as the mayor and with that name who have been valuable contributors to making the town what it is. And so, if perhaps it was just some old dead guy who lived a long time ago

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Robert Gilmore: and engaged in kind of gross racist stuff.

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Robert Gilmore: Renaming the town would be one thing, but it obviously is, and and how else could they take it as a rebuke to them and and their name, if we change

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Robert Gilmore: the the name of the town, and and for that reason, and I think it's a sufficient reason I don't support changing. The name

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Peter Nagrod: has withdrawn the recommendation. So all this information is helpful. But while we move on.

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Peter Nagrod: huh.

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John Compton: Mary, you you can have the final word.

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marywarfield: III do agree that we should not change it. I think

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marywarfield: you know. Part of this is.

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marywarfield: it's been incredibly devices to the town, and I think people made it pretty clear what they what their views are, and agree with with all the things that Barbara said in terms of

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marywarfield: why, it really does not not really appropriate.

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John Compton: Okay, Christine, no.

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Christine Dibble: So

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Christine Dibble: I I do not support. Renaming the hall.

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Christine Dibble: not for the reasons Rob gave. I'm less focused on the hurt to current neighbors than I am on just

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Christine Dibble: putting everything into the balance. And from what I have read about, and I'm actually reading a book on Minstrel C, and it's history right now

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Christine Dibble: to try to understand it better.

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Christine Dibble: But from from what I've read about Roy Mccatheran, you know, who was mayor for 20 years, and really guided the founding of the town.

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Christine Dibble: you know II put all the good he did in the balance against hit the black face and against his

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Christine Dibble: role, however small, in the covenants, and it's not even close for me, you know. I am fine with honoring him.

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Christine Dibble: By, you know, continuing to recognize the name of Catherine in the name of the Town Hall.

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John Compton: Okay. then, let's move to a vote.

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John Compton: Formal vote, all in favor of rejecting. I believe that was the term.

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Peter Nagrod: hmm!

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John Compton: Everybody we've got.

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John Compton: I see, 6 in favor opposed just in case anybody

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John Compton: no. Rob, here, pull your hand down.

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John Compton: opposed.

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John Compton: Alright! 6 0. The

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John Compton: the Council has rejected, and name change to me, Catherine of Mcathan Hall.

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John Compton: Alright! So we're going to leave this matter. It will come back the other other proposals.

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John Compton: We'll come back. I really do think the Council should take each one up.

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John Compton: Deal with it as you will.

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John Compton: if you think that needs to be refined, a better, a better, better proposal, a more specific proposal. That's one option. We can deal with that when when they come up

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Peter Nagrod: all right. This

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John Compton: alright. So now we're finally up to the administrative matters.

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John Compton: the first administrative matters is the auditing services contract.

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John Compton: I'm gonna let Jeanne say if she was still here.

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John Compton: who? Who really revise the Rfp. To

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John Compton: to kind of. you know good practices quite a features. So, Jean, can you summarize the we got 3 bids.

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Sara Jean Moyer: Yeah, we have 3 beds. And the the cost range. The

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Sara Jean Moyer: one company scroll to the top.

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Sara Jean Moyer: Sbc Sbn company.

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Sara Jean Moyer: They came in the highest

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Sara Jean Moyer: they. Are you putting them up, John? They're big firm. They carry their clients are not just small municipalities like us, but they do.

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Sara Jean Moyer: Gaeters. City of Gaithersburg, Hagerstown. They do entire counties. Kent County. They do universities as well.

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Sara Jean Moyer: So their fees. We asked for 2024 and 4

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01:12:11.490 --> 01:12:18.500
Sara Jean Moyer: subsequent years. There's their fee for 2024 would be 14,000.

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01:12:18.780 --> 01:12:30.460
Sara Jean Moyer: We currently pay under 8,000, so they are the highest. They go the well all the way up to about 15,800 in the last year.

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01:12:30.570 --> 01:12:38.160
Sara Jean Moyer: Part of their cost is, they have fancy systems that are helpful. If you're auditing something large

501
01:12:38.320 --> 01:12:47.890
Sara Jean Moyer: which we are not, we would not benefit from those extra systems that they had no point. I don't believe in paying the extra money.

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01:12:47.960 --> 01:12:54.259
Sara Jean Moyer: What was the first year? Again, Jane? 14,000. Thank you.

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01:12:54.990 --> 01:12:58.470
Sara Jean Moyer:  next?

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01:13:00.820 --> 01:13:05.609
Sara Jean Moyer: yeah. Yeah. L. Lsw, WG,

505
01:13:05.700 --> 01:13:08.789
Sara Jean Moyer: they

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01:13:08.940 --> 01:13:10.960
Sara Jean Moyer: bid on it.

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01:13:11.040 --> 01:13:22.510
Sara Jean Moyer: I'm scrolling down to the place where they identify. They do a fair number of municipalities. They did not

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01:13:23.080 --> 01:13:37.700
Sara Jean Moyer: provide fees for 2024, plus 4 subsequent years. What they proposed was only 3 fiscal years and a fixed price of 10,000 each of those 3 years.

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01:13:38.280 --> 01:13:43.669
Sara Jean Moyer: so we would then have to rebid for 27, and 28

510
01:13:43.980 --> 01:13:54.990
Sara Jean Moyer:  And they do. Town of Kensington town of Chevy Chase, town of Gleneco, and town of Colmar Manor.

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01:13:55.710 --> 01:13:58.599
Sara Jean Moyer: Those were references that they gave to us.

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01:13:58.780 --> 01:14:13.120
Sara Jean Moyer:  Lindsay, and associates is our current auditor.  yes, it's a very good idea in general in theory, to change

513
01:14:13.590 --> 01:14:25.409
Sara Jean Moyer: auditors. You do lose quite a lot. You have to re-educate there new staff on how our town operates?

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01:14:25.490 --> 01:14:30.740
Sara Jean Moyer: That is one thing we would lose if we left Lindsey.

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01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:44.380
Sara Jean Moyer: I am able to tap them throughout the year to say, Hey, something new came up this is how I propose handling it. How does that sound? Is it in accordance with Gap?

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01:14:44.480 --> 01:14:49.370
Sara Jean Moyer: And it's very useful to have that ease of talking to them.

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01:14:49.510 --> 01:14:57.120
Sara Jean Moyer: And they do a number of the smaller municipalities that are more in line with our work.

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01:14:57.270 --> 01:15:03.250
Sara Jean Moyer: Their proposal for 2024 was 7,008, 75,

519
01:15:05.220 --> 01:15:11.799
Sara Jean Moyer: and the last fiscal year, which is fiscal 28.

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01:15:12.240 --> 01:15:15.850
Sara Jean Moyer: It goes up to 9,001 8

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01:15:16.950 --> 01:15:22.830
Sara Jean Moyer: paid those because I can't type fast enough. 8,000, 7,000,

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01:15:23.490 --> 01:15:27.579
John Compton: 7, 7, 8, 7, 5, thank you.

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01:15:28.440 --> 01:15:34.440
Sara Jean Moyer: and then goes up to 9,001 0 8.

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01:15:34.770 --> 01:15:35.560
John Compton: Okay.

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01:15:36.480 --> 01:15:39.230
Sara Jean Moyer:  so

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Sara Jean Moyer: it. If you were to look just at price Lindsay is the obvious winner there.  so that's your recommendation.

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01:15:53.390 --> 01:16:00.949
Sara Jean Moyer: I would. Yes, in theory it's nice to change auditors. We've been with them for quite a long time.

528
01:16:01.320 --> 01:16:03.730
Sara Jean Moyer: But

529
01:16:04.300 --> 01:16:07.820
Sara Jean Moyer: they do focus on the smaller municipalities.

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01:16:07.970 --> 01:16:09.910
Sara Jean Moyer: and

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Sara Jean Moyer: I feel like that

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01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:17.969
Sara Jean Moyer: enables them to give us a little bit more of a person. Know.

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01:16:18.150 --> 01:16:22.000
Peter Nagrod:  hmm!

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01:16:23.170 --> 01:16:24.590
Christine Dibble: So, Jean.

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01:16:24.640 --> 01:16:32.440
Christine Dibble: on a scale of A to F. How would you rate Lindsey's communications and service generally?

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01:16:32.670 --> 01:16:38.560
Sara Jean Moyer: Generally? I would give them a a minus.

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01:16:39.980 --> 01:16:42.969
Sara Jean Moyer: There was one I.

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Sara Jean Moyer: 2 incidents in this last fiscal year that can, I wouldn't say concerned me having been an auditor. I understand that. When when the youngie, the newbie is put on the account.

539
01:16:58.680 --> 01:17:03.490
Sara Jean Moyer: The client ends up doing a little bit of training and that happened

540
01:17:03.710 --> 01:17:11.089
Sara Jean Moyer: but I also learned a lot in doing it and helping them think through it.

541
01:17:11.280 --> 01:17:13.729
Sara Jean Moyer: so I wouldn't give them an a plus

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01:17:14.530 --> 01:17:16.300
Sara Jean Moyer: so.

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01:17:17.430 --> 01:17:20.320
Peter Nagrod: But is it but, Gene.

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01:17:20.700 --> 01:17:26.679
Peter Nagrod: if we had the the other 2 companies came in. They would all be, I think you said they would all be newbies. Right?

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01:17:26.690 --> 01:17:36.030
Sara Jean Moyer: Yeah, yeah. I definitely see no point in Spc. There's no nothing to be gained by paying that much more. Nothing.

546
01:17:36.160 --> 01:17:39.430
Sara Jean Moyer: The Lsw. Wg.

547
01:17:39.740 --> 01:17:45.760
Sara Jean Moyer:  There'd be a lot more of my time required

548
01:17:45.770 --> 01:17:51.910
Sara Jean Moyer: training them, and, as you all know, II work about 8 to 10 HA week.

549
01:17:51.920 --> 01:18:01.049
Sara Jean Moyer:  so I I'd be happy to not have to do a lot of of retraining.

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Christine Dibble: I think an a minus is about as good as you can expect.

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01:18:05.390 --> 01:18:16.149
Sara Jean Moyer: Yeah, I mean, and they've they II gave them a lot of push back this year on some items, and and they were willing to work with me on it.

552
01:18:16.320 --> 01:18:29.080
Sara Jean Moyer:  They'll gain will gain a little bit. We. I had to migrate our quick books. To an online version.

553
01:18:29.600 --> 01:18:42.950
Sara Jean Moyer: And that will enable them they can get a sign on. They can go into the system and and audit what they want. I don't have to be pulling documents and sending them to them. So

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01:18:43.470 --> 01:18:47.179
Sara Jean Moyer: I think it's a win win.

555
01:18:47.360 --> 01:18:56.140
Sara Jean Moyer: And I think that's they know that. And that's what it has allowed them to keep that price. That's about what we're paying right now. The 7,000

556
01:18:56.720 --> 01:19:04.639
Sara Jean Moyer: they're not trying to like. Use this opportunity to increase their prices. It's kind of what I'm trying to say.

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01:19:05.970 --> 01:19:08.870
Peter Nagrod: Well, I would make the motion that we go with Lindsey.

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01:19:10.110 --> 01:19:11.470
Christine Dibble: I'll second that.

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01:19:11.920 --> 01:19:12.640
Yeah.

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01:19:12.900 --> 01:19:15.010
John Compton: Okay. Further discussion.

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01:19:17.930 --> 01:19:28.680
John Compton: Alright. Then let's move to a vote all in favor of awarding awarding the contract to Lindsey associates. That's unanimous. All right, Kathy

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01:19:29.460 --> 01:19:32.840
Peter Nagrod: John, I am so relieved I didn't have to take back my motion.

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01:19:33.780 --> 01:19:38.460
John Compton: Yeah, that's a first for tonight.

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01:19:38.710 --> 01:19:40.270
John Compton: Good

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01:19:40.460 --> 01:19:49.320
John Compton: alright, good on to the next administrative issue, which is already refuse and recycling

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John Compton: bits. Those I'm gonna actually just show you the bid we got 2 bids

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01:19:55.650 --> 01:19:58.650
John Compton: from

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01:19:59.270 --> 01:20:10.570
John Compton: from if I if I can remember the dang name casella, and from key sanitation. So

569
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John Compton: I'm gonna just show you the bid bid Page from key sanitation. Remember, they're they depending on exactly the same

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01:20:22.100 --> 01:20:33.389
John Compton:  rsp, so here's the key sanitation. Bid and it comes in at 2, 7, 7, 2

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01:20:33.620 --> 01:20:35.230
John Compton: per month.

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01:20:37.550 --> 01:20:42.000
John Compton: Gene. You remember the current parts? We pay?

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01:20:42.160 --> 01:20:44.799
Sara Jean Moyer: Yeah, it's like 30, 3,700.

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01:20:45.500 --> 01:20:47.280
Sara Jean Moyer: Is this wait?

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01:20:47.460 --> 01:20:57.850
John Compton: Is this just the trash, or is it including recycling? I'm sorry this is just the no, this is the wrong one. This is the recyclable. Sorry.

576
01:20:58.090 --> 01:21:06.189
John Compton: Okay, cause the recyclables is, yeah. Here we are sorry, showing you the wrong way. This is the refuse.

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01:21:08.870 --> 01:21:10.250
Sara Jean Moyer: I

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Sara Jean Moyer: And our current rate is, yeah, I'm pulling up an invoice. I have one just down the hall.

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01:21:28.330 --> 01:21:29.839
Peter Nagrod: John, per month.

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Peter Nagrod: I'm sorry. Is that

581
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Peter Nagrod: is that for what's that for? I'm 40

582
01:21:37.300 --> 01:21:43.559
Peter Nagrod: per month. Okay? Yeah. So the trash pickup is 2250

583
01:21:44.400 --> 01:21:45.390
Sara Jean Moyer: a month.

584
01:21:47.860 --> 01:21:54.219
Sara Jean Moyer: Okay. And the recycling is 1,518

585
01:21:55.640 --> 01:21:56.620
Sara Jean Moyer: per month.

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01:21:57.640 --> 01:21:59.280
Sara Jean Moyer: That's the current. Yeah.

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01:21:59.350 --> 01:22:04.549
Sara Jean Moyer: So the total per month is 37 68.

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John Compton: Alright. So

589
01:22:11.640 --> 01:22:20.939
John Compton: key sanitation has been 41, 58, and 2772?

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01:22:22.320 --> 01:22:23.389
Peter Nagrod: Oh, well.

591
01:22:24.170 --> 01:22:25.640
Sara Jean Moyer: that's a big difference.

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01:22:32.790 --> 01:22:34.670
John Compton: Yes, it is

593
01:22:40.320 --> 01:22:44.760
John Compton: alright and

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01:22:44.810 --> 01:22:46.480
John Compton: our

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John Compton: Actually, it's from. It's from Casella, the Pink Pink trash company. and I'll throw that up. Now.

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01:23:01.810 --> 01:23:05.740
Robert Gilmore: yeah, their numbers are slightly higher than what they currently

597
01:23:06.060 --> 01:23:08.550
Sara Jean Moyer: right? So here, here we are.

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John Compton: There, this is for refuse. which is 25,

599
01:23:16.090 --> 01:23:20.209
John Compton:  24, basically

600
01:23:22.460 --> 01:23:23.470
John Compton: per month.

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01:23:23.750 --> 01:23:26.409
John Compton: and for recycling

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01:23:30.220 --> 01:23:31.870
John Compton: hopefully, it's here somewhere.

603
01:23:34.040 --> 01:23:35.309
John Compton: It was Hearson.

604
01:23:39.570 --> 01:23:41.670
John Compton: Is there a separate one for recycling.

605
01:23:44.160 --> 01:23:46.490
John Compton: Kathy, did you only send me the one?

606
01:23:46.690 --> 01:23:48.390
Kathy Lehman: So is this from key?

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01:23:48.680 --> 01:23:50.439
Sara Jean Moyer: Yeah. So

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01:23:51.120 --> 01:23:54.290
John Compton: this is the refugee collection is the only one I have.

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01:23:55.240 --> 01:23:57.710
Kathy Lehman: There are 2 that are big like that.

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01:23:58.660 --> 01:24:00.819
John Compton: There you did you send them both to me?

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01:24:01.020 --> 01:24:06.120
John Compton: I sure thought I did, if I if I if if you did. I'm

612
01:24:07.710 --> 01:24:12.690
John Compton:  must have overlooked it. But just a moment.

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Eva: Do we know? Because this is the company we're using now? Do we know if we ever got things sorted out where for a while they were, it seemed like they were throwing, recycling into the trash collection. II think they are doing it properly now, where the recycling is being picked up separately. But I just wanted to confirm that.

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01:24:33.670 --> 01:24:38.199
Eva: because I know that was an issue. I haven't heard a complaint, and

615
01:24:38.370 --> 01:24:43.710
Eva: a while. Actually.

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Kathy Lehman: So, the headcaster, Rick

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01:24:45.730 --> 01:24:55.879
Kathy Lehman: Rick Levine the other day, and he told me that they are. This new company is getting split hoppers. So it will be a lot easier to do that task.

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01:24:57.090 --> 01:25:07.710
Eva: And am I right that they maybe I'm I don't know. But am I right that they're saying you no longer have to separate the recycling, or are we still supposed to separate with this company?

619
01:25:08.620 --> 01:25:14.570
Kathy Lehman: We still have to do it the same way we separate. I have not heard anything otherwise.

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01:25:14.670 --> 01:25:20.999
John Compton: So the the Rfp. Specifies that if if the county is not requiring separation.

621
01:25:21.350 --> 01:25:27.549
John Compton: that we would not be required for separating you. You recall the

622
01:25:27.830 --> 01:25:34.460
John Compton: the rfp. If you. If the county is requiring separation, we are

623
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John Compton: to continue separation

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Eva: from Peggy, that she so I guess, saw them throwing yard waste in with the recycling. So I know this is the cheaper quote. So I just wanted to make sure we were, you know, considering all asides.

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01:26:00.430 --> 01:26:03.139
John Compton: However, as Rick

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01:26:03.150 --> 01:26:08.170
John Compton: on here, Rick, are you? If you're there on mute, please, you're Elaveen.

627
01:26:08.690 --> 01:26:12.969
elevine: so hey? Hi, everybody we do. I we did not.

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01:26:13.210 --> 01:26:17.860
John Compton: I did not have access to your recycling bed.

629
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John Compton: Kathy, you sent it in some

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01:26:20.300 --> 01:26:27.839
John Compton: I got all I got, and I'm sorry I missed this. All I got was an icon, an icon with a link. But the link goes to nothing.

631
01:26:28.920 --> 01:26:32.320
Kathy Lehman: No, these these things are really long, and I

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01:26:32.410 --> 01:26:36.780
Kathy Lehman: I sent them there they were. All of it was. There were 3 attachments.

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01:26:37.650 --> 01:26:43.390
John Compton: Yeah. Well, I go to the site, the site, and it's not letting me get the

634
01:26:43.430 --> 01:26:50.240
John Compton: The one goes to a site and the others are attached, so you should send them in separate. I'm sorry I should have checked this. So

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01:26:50.370 --> 01:26:54.670
John Compton: apologize. You can always send them a second separate email.

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01:26:55.070 --> 01:27:02.689
Christine Dibble: Could can we put this discussion off until the next meeting like the until the budget meeting. No, okay.

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01:27:03.370 --> 01:27:07.690
Sara Jean Moyer: this feeds the budget. I can't develop the budget until I know the cost.

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01:27:07.910 --> 01:27:08.630
Peter Nagrod: It is.

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01:27:08.900 --> 01:27:11.180
John Compton: Do you have access to your bid.

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01:27:11.970 --> 01:27:13.430
elevine: Actually don't.

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01:27:13.450 --> 01:27:20.139
elevine: I'm at home and I didn't. I don't have a copy, neither do I.

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01:27:20.270 --> 01:27:23.459
Kathy Lehman: I'll go get it if you guys want to do something else for 10 min.

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01:27:24.260 --> 01:27:36.540
John Compton: What does that mean? You're not home. You're at home. No, I'm I'm at home, and I'll go run down to the office. Alright. Well, we'll defer this until you get back. Well, now you're yes, we'll defer this till you get back. We have the recording.

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01:27:36.970 --> 01:27:38.459
Kathy Lehman: I'm good at speed.

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01:27:38.840 --> 01:27:46.010
Robert Gilmore: What can you just tell us what your number for the recycling is?

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01:27:47.450 --> 01:27:55.159
John Compton: Oh, the bottom line number.

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01:27:57.000 --> 01:28:03.520
Robert Gilmore: I suspect that's

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elevine: But I mean. If if you want me to discuss this a little more, I'd be happy to like, Kathy was saying.

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01:28:09.950 --> 01:28:16.329
elevine: You know I was one of the owners of Potomac, and we sold to Pink, and we sold the Gfl casella.

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01:28:16.530 --> 01:28:18.430
Kathy Lehman: The cellar is

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elevine: is by far the best company that I have ever worked, for that includes Potomac disposal.

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01:28:26.410 --> 01:28:31.389
elevine: They are family owned, they're publicly traded. They're out of Rutland, Vermont.

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01:28:31.620 --> 01:28:35.630
elevine: We are the southernmost location for Casella.

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01:28:35.940 --> 01:28:40.089
elevine: John Casell and his brother started it in 1 75,

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01:28:40.430 --> 01:28:43.700
elevine: and their focus is more on recycling than trash.

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01:28:44.240 --> 01:28:48.370
elevine: And I told, and I formed Kathy. Oh, Kathy, I think she has it.

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01:28:48.710 --> 01:28:51.370
Kathy Lehman: and that was fast.

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01:28:56.010 --> 01:28:58.939
Kathy Lehman: Just so, you guys know, before you hear it somewhere else

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01:28:59.210 --> 01:29:07.759
elevine: and not too long a time. The county is shutting down the recycle center for 18 months

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01:29:08.840 --> 01:29:13.060
Kathy Lehman: because they are refurbishing it. They're putting in a new Murph.

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01:29:13.630 --> 01:29:20.450
elevine: So every company that was taking recycling to Montgomery County is going to have to divert it somewhere else.

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01:29:20.810 --> 01:29:23.009
elevine: and we have a place to take it.

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01:29:23.210 --> 01:29:30.639
elevine: And it it not only that what Casella has that we didn't with Potomac, or Pink or Gfl

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elevine: is. They have recycle centers in Pennsylvania.

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elevine: They have landfills in Pennsylvania.

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elevine: So what they're going to do they propose this to the county. They're very interested. When they called us the other day we had a Zoom Meeting.

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01:29:45.550 --> 01:29:50.200
elevine: and all the Hollers were informed of of how they're gonna be cracking down on commercial recycling.

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01:29:50.500 --> 01:29:57.640
elevine: And they needed to do that. And it's happening now. But they said they're getting rid of the incinerator in Dickerson.

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elevine: They want to get rid of it. and they're looking for alternatives. Well. our general manager, Milando Brian Mccarloni.

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elevine: inform them that via rail

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elevine: they can send

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Kathy Lehman: the the waste from Montgomery County Transfer station by rail up to Pennsylvania.

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01:30:17.970 --> 01:30:32.150
elevine: so they can close Dickerson, and they're very interested in that. But it's going back to the recycling. We're going to take it to a facility in Anna Rundle County. We're working a deal with them, and they're going to ship it by rail

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elevine: to Casilla's processing plant up in Pennsylvania. So everything will be recycled. So we're very happy about that. We already have a plan in place when they shut down the the existing recycling center, the transfer station.

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elevine: So that that's that news just happened

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elevine: a few days ago. So we're very happy about that. But going back to Casella, they're very, very involved and and dedicated to recycling. So yeah, II you know, I mean, I'm I'm thrilled. I was.

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elevine: Personally, I was gonna give it up with Gfl because they were a horrible company. They didn't care about anything. And then this company came in, and we're just all very happy to be involved and and to be a part of the cello.

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01:31:15.440 --> 01:31:20.339
elevine: And I'm sure if if Lonnie was still awake, she has to be in at 50'clock tomorrow morning for safety meeting.

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01:31:20.540 --> 01:31:32.719
elevine: She would, she would definitely contribute to this conversation. She came from Oniana, New York. and she. She filled the general manager job here, and she's been the best I've ever worked with.

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Kathy Lehman: You want the numbers?

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah, that.

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Kathy Lehman: Okay.

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Kathy Lehman: this one is refuse collection and disposal.

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John Compton: Yeah.

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John Compton: 22,000,

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Kathy Lehman: 2, 5, 2, 3, 8, one.

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Kathy Lehman: Okay, yeah. And the recyclables.

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Kathy Lehman: 1, 5, 6, 2, 6, 36.

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Kathy Lehman: So I do some quick addition for the

690
01:32:09.080 --> 01:32:11.859
John Compton: 40 86.

691
01:32:15.670 --> 01:32:16.700
John Compton: Okay.

692
01:32:17.500 --> 01:32:28.860
John Compton: so those were the the 2 bids stopping to share whatever I was sharing. What it was. But I'll put up the

693
01:32:31.570 --> 01:32:32.600
Kathy Lehman: not it.

694
01:32:33.490 --> 01:32:34.990
John Compton: Stop that one again.

695
01:32:35.900 --> 01:32:36.810
Kathy Lehman: So

696
01:32:37.100 --> 01:32:38.850
John Compton: so here's where we are.

697
01:32:43.510 --> 01:32:51.889
John Compton: Did I get the right one there? Okay. so currently, we? We are paying Casell of 37, 58 for both

698
01:32:52.150 --> 01:32:57.600
John Compton: case bid comes in, if my addition is correct.

699
01:32:57.870 --> 01:33:06.550
John Compton: at 69, 30, and Casella's bid for the for the new period is 40 86.

700
01:33:08.840 --> 01:33:25.890
John Compton: I don't think we have a hard sell here. But any comments and any any motions. I move to award the recycling and refuse collection. Rfp. To

701
01:33:26.380 --> 01:33:27.350
Robert Gilmore: Casella.

702
01:33:27.980 --> 01:33:34.880
Peter Nagrod: Second, you can have, if you want even second of it. Alright, all in favor.

703
01:33:35.100 --> 01:33:36.040
Peter Nagrod: Aye.

704
01:33:37.430 --> 01:33:40.600
Christine Dibble: that's 5. Christine has oh, sorry

705
01:33:40.950 --> 01:33:45.560
John Compton: somewhere. I forgot to. I just forgot

706
01:33:46.970 --> 01:33:49.949
John Compton: for

707
01:33:50.070 --> 01:33:54.600
John Compton: for coming to the meeting, and but thanks for for the

708
01:33:54.710 --> 01:34:04.990
John Compton: the the bid, and we'll we're well familiar with. your operation. We once again heard. There's always people

709
01:34:05.150 --> 01:34:17.489
John Compton:  witnessing some Co. Mingling. I know some co-miggling may be acceptable. But you we're going to put into the contract that

710
01:34:17.810 --> 01:34:19.790
John Compton: any commingling

711
01:34:19.930 --> 01:34:31.759
John Compton: we need to be informed about, because really it boils down, boils down to 2 things. One is. you know, I think the the residents are watching over, extremely interested in

712
01:34:31.880 --> 01:34:42.759
John Compton: recycling as much whether it's yard waste plastic, whatever paper. And of course we do depend on on the counties.

713
01:34:42.860 --> 01:34:47.010
John Compton: facilities, and arrangements to make that successful

714
01:34:47.210 --> 01:34:55.540
John Compton:  But we're also interested in in in. You know, we don't want to be doing work that is then undone. So

715
01:34:55.600 --> 01:34:58.420
John Compton: the residents are separating

716
01:34:58.790 --> 01:35:01.460
John Compton: recyclable paper.

717
01:35:01.710 --> 01:35:06.659
John Compton: What from cans, bottles, etc.

718
01:35:06.680 --> 01:35:16.239
John Compton: We we want to be sure that that that we're going to. You know that trouble, because that's in fact, the way it's being handled. If it's not being handled that way.

719
01:35:16.680 --> 01:35:18.250
John Compton: for whatever reason

720
01:35:18.630 --> 01:35:23.850
John Compton: and I understand, and I know the latest systems may may well

721
01:35:23.890 --> 01:35:27.769
John Compton: allow for separating everything commingled.

722
01:35:27.880 --> 01:35:32.130
John Compton: Then we want to be, you know, not have to go to the effort of

723
01:35:32.350 --> 01:35:36.960
John Compton: of separating

724
01:35:37.130 --> 01:35:40.430
John Compton: and while still being able to recycle. So

725
01:35:40.540 --> 01:35:46.930
John Compton:  we're going to have put that into the contract. It was in the Rsv

726
01:35:47.240 --> 01:36:03.949
John Compton: and I think. Yeah, also in the Rfp. II if if you didn't notice it. Our sustainability committee is extremely interested in reducing the carbon footprint of the town.

727
01:36:04.050 --> 01:36:12.769
John Compton: And part of that is our our waste. So we we were asking for some quantitation of

728
01:36:12.980 --> 01:36:25.249
John Compton: how much waste is going out of Washington Grove. Obviously, Washington Grove is not going to make and break the climate change equation. but to the extent that we can

729
01:36:26.880 --> 01:36:27.850
John Compton: act

730
01:36:28.710 --> 01:36:38.209
John Compton: where? Where? Where? Where we can the town has strong interest in doing that.

731
01:36:38.340 --> 01:36:45.060
John Compton: We are. you know. willing to go to some effort, you know, to to certain lengths, to

732
01:36:45.160 --> 01:37:05.529
John Compton: to be able to do that. And so we are hoping to work with you guys this hoping to work with you guys to understand our waste stream as well. Just as an aside. We're we're gonna be doing that with the least contract as well you know how many leaves are leaving

733
01:37:05.660 --> 01:37:08.200
John Compton: leaving Washington Grove?

734
01:37:08.930 --> 01:37:14.220
John Compton: just so we know what sort of possible impact

735
01:37:14.290 --> 01:37:18.230
elevine: I understand. Yeah, I was also told that

736
01:37:18.330 --> 01:37:29.160
elevine: actually, Lonnie told me the other day that we are going to be putting scales on all the trucks. Now, I don't know if if we have a scale on on a split body, if we have it on each side. I've never heard of that.

737
01:37:29.660 --> 01:37:44.599
elevine: but we'll we will absolutely do what we can do to help you with your numbers. You recycle and trash numbers. We do. We do that for the county, anyway, anybody who's yeah. So their track numbers. That's the call Tras. So anyway, yeah, we do supply track numbers and hope. What I'm saying is hopefully.

738
01:37:44.810 --> 01:37:45.869
elevine: I'm sorry. Go ahead.

739
01:37:46.450 --> 01:37:51.049
John Compton: Even the volume is helpful. I'm sure there's some sort of average

740
01:37:51.770 --> 01:37:55.910
elevine: average weight of a of a volume, if it's all you know.

741
01:37:56.190 --> 01:38:08.130
John Compton: Yeah, the same sort of mix of trash and or and or recycling. Okay, that's great. You guys have the contract and we'll be getting out the documents. So appreciate it.

742
01:38:08.340 --> 01:38:14.630
Peter Nagrod: Rick. I just wanted to mention one thing. The 2 guys that pick up our trash are absolutely amazing.

743
01:38:14.660 --> 01:38:16.369
Peter Nagrod: I we want to hear.

744
01:38:16.420 --> 01:38:17.680
Peter Nagrod: They are delighted.

745
01:38:17.920 --> 01:38:22.089
Peter Nagrod: They really are. Thanks, Peter. I appreciate that. I'll let them know.

746
01:38:22.520 --> 01:38:24.080
Kathy Lehman: Yeah, I'll let them know.

747
01:38:25.270 --> 01:38:26.210
John Compton: Okay.

748
01:38:27.910 --> 01:38:29.200
elevine: thank you, everybody.

749
01:38:29.330 --> 01:38:34.210
elevine: We really appreciate it. And we're looking forward to continuing our work with the Tata Washington Grove.

750
01:38:34.860 --> 01:38:36.240
Kathy Lehman: Thank you.

751
01:38:36.530 --> 01:38:37.780
elevine: Thanks. Good night.

752
01:38:40.210 --> 01:38:41.060
Peter Nagrod: Hey?

753
01:38:41.220 --> 01:38:43.589
John Compton: Alright, everybody. Thanks. Alright.

754
01:38:44.000 --> 01:39:05.089
John Compton: Next item, is the leaf collection. Rfp, I put that into the into the meeting materials. We would like to get that bid out by April April meeting for the purposes of our budget. Obviously, that doesn't begin till the fall.

755
01:39:05.350 --> 01:39:22.490
John Compton: But put together the lead collection. Rfp, it. It's really just a bunch of changes and dates at for now, except for the fact that I'm going to add in a a a

756
01:39:22.660 --> 01:39:27.220
John Compton: request, a request to quantify them, amount of leaves

757
01:39:27.320 --> 01:39:34.390
John Compton: by by by weighter volume, that again, quite similar to what we did with the refuse

758
01:39:34.760 --> 01:39:36.749
John Compton: and recycling.

759
01:39:37.120 --> 01:39:58.540
John Compton: this is at the request of the Sustainability Committee. And as you just heard. At least the trash and recycling people are doing this anyway. For the county. So we're we're hopefully, this isn't an unreasonable request. So that's not in there. But otherwise the contract is is essentially identical to the previous

760
01:39:58.890 --> 01:40:09.810
John Compton: the previous Rfp, so without showing that I'm I'll open it to the Council for any questions, and then we can vote on distributing the Rsv.

761
01:40:13.000 --> 01:40:15.099
John Compton: Any questions. Comments?

762
01:40:17.060 --> 01:40:22.509
John Compton: Okay? If not, then, I need a motion to allow, you know. Approve the Rsb.

763
01:40:24.360 --> 01:40:31.460
John Compton: Motion to approve the Rfp. Thank you, Peter. Do not remember. Do not attract it.

764
01:40:31.480 --> 01:40:33.639
Kathy Lehman: Was that, Rob?

765
01:40:33.820 --> 01:40:40.020
John Compton: Okay, there will be no discussion. All in favor.

766
01:40:40.360 --> 01:40:53.589
John Compton: Alright. That's obviously unanimous. Thank you. Alright. The storm water infra infrastructure maintenance. Rfp, well, luckily, since we don't have any time to look at it.

767
01:40:53.620 --> 01:41:01.719
John Compton: it isn't ready to be looked at. So I'm just giving a status report. It is being revised.

768
01:41:02.710 --> 01:41:16.210
John Compton: rather extensively. I'm not gonna go into how it's being revised. I don't think we really need to go into it, but it will come back. It may come back. In fact, I'd like it to come back at our

769
01:41:16.590 --> 01:41:22.299
John Compton:  at our budget work session, which is actually a council meeting?

770
01:41:22.870 --> 01:41:42.950
John Compton: So just because we, we, we wanna move it along. And we just need the need, the councils and and some and any other public comment, so that we can refine it to the point where we're all pretty well satisfied. It's what we what we want.

771
01:41:43.200 --> 01:41:54.340
John Compton: So that's my status report we've been working with Jason Mills of saltes Bob Boer has been has been

772
01:41:55.150 --> 01:41:59.639
John Compton: lending his contract and engineering

773
01:41:59.850 --> 01:42:10.590
John Compton:  expertise on on how to make. Put together a proposal that will get us to our goals for this particular project.

774
01:42:10.910 --> 01:42:24.829
John Compton: So and Patty Klein and Dave goes on, and and and Joan have been working on revising the the language so hopefully they'll come back on March 20 fifth.

775
01:42:26.700 --> 01:42:33.200
John Compton: Alright. Next item, disposition of town maintenance equipment. This is just an fyi.

776
01:42:33.360 --> 01:42:40.359
John Compton: We received a bid for 2 pieces of equipment, the skid loader.

777
01:42:40.400 --> 01:42:45.920
John Compton: the bobcat, skid loader, and a Honda generator we have from

778
01:42:46.010 --> 01:42:54.670
John Compton: guess who RJ. Landscapers. And so I'm gonna be researching that and getting some advice as to whether or not we should sell

779
01:42:54.760 --> 01:43:08.180
John Compton: those 2 pieces of equipment. The generators, you know well, under $1,000 the buy the skid loader. However. The offer was $8,000. So it's it's substantial.

780
01:43:11.560 --> 01:43:12.360
John Compton: Alright.

781
01:43:13.040 --> 01:43:26.749
John Compton: Next item, the policy on tree management. I'm bringing this to the Council, just so that you are aware that we have, we? We we have, with the help of

782
01:43:27.610 --> 01:43:29.010
and I have 2 of these.

783
01:43:29.200 --> 01:43:31.269
John Compton: with the help of

784
01:43:31.750 --> 01:43:34.030
John Compton: Audrey and Georgette.

785
01:43:34.350 --> 01:43:59.310
John Compton: have written down a policy that the that I've been following, and as has the forestry and beautification has been following, and it. I hope if you had a chance to look at all the materials which there was a lot of, I know you will have seen it. Basically, this is for the use of resonance. So they understand.

786
01:43:59.360 --> 01:44:14.130
John Compton: The the Kathy. And anybody any one of you, anybody can point to this. It can. It will be put on the website, I'm sure. To understand how how one goes about dealing with a town tree.

787
01:44:14.230 --> 01:44:16.930
John Compton: how that overhangs

788
01:44:17.110 --> 01:44:18.570
John Compton: private property.

789
01:44:19.440 --> 01:44:25.999
John Compton: So this is just a an fyi on that to eliminate that one

790
01:44:26.180 --> 01:44:29.200
John Compton: and go on to

791
01:44:30.490 --> 01:44:36.910
John Compton: the next item, which is the policy for snow removal from town roads. Given the hour.

792
01:44:37.780 --> 01:44:45.880
John Compton:  we can defer this one. We don't have any likely snow knock on wood

793
01:44:46.010 --> 01:44:49.360
John Compton: our policy on snow removal

794
01:44:49.420 --> 01:44:53.720
Kathy Lehman: discussion could could be deferred.

795
01:44:54.010 --> 01:45:00.020
John Compton: if if you will, so I recommend it be be deferred.

796
01:45:00.470 --> 01:45:10.999
John Compton:  Last item on the administrative matters is the road repair work, plan,

797
01:45:11.240 --> 01:45:12.969
John Compton: and

798
01:45:13.660 --> 01:45:15.260
John Compton: I.

799
01:45:15.940 --> 01:45:17.530
John Compton: The reason this is

800
01:45:17.680 --> 01:45:27.059
John Compton: here is because we'd like to get the road repair work done in the current budget can overlap into next year's budget in June.

801
01:45:27.360 --> 01:45:30.169
John Compton: You'll recall the last meeting.

802
01:45:30.610 --> 01:45:34.599
John Compton: The last meeting II showed

803
01:45:35.200 --> 01:45:36.830
Robert Gilmore: show the

804
01:45:37.310 --> 01:45:40.879
John Compton: bid that was obtained in 2,022

805
01:45:41.060 --> 01:45:45.139
John Compton:  And I'm gonna show this again here.

806
01:45:45.390 --> 01:45:50.810
John Compton: But I've at the request of Christine and and others.

807
01:45:50.930 --> 01:45:57.310
John Compton:  wanted to see wanted to see what we did not do.

808
01:45:57.540 --> 01:45:59.740
John Compton:  

809
01:46:01.170 --> 01:46:04.220
John Compton: Last of the work that was been

810
01:46:04.350 --> 01:46:08.800
John Compton: so that is about to be shown here.

811
01:46:08.990 --> 01:46:12.010
Kathy Lehman:  in a moment.

812
01:46:13.120 --> 01:46:17.750
Kathy Lehman: Click! Edit on something. Alright.

813
01:46:21.200 --> 01:46:31.799
Kathy Lehman: so what we? What what needs to be done is we had we had beds that are now 2 years old, which means it's gonna be getting obviously more expensive.

814
01:46:31.880 --> 01:46:36.430
John Compton: And we probably would go out to Beers and to

815
01:46:37.230 --> 01:46:53.270
John Compton: to Elaine and have them update the bed. It should be very easy. The beds usually are based solely on their cost per cubic yard of of materials,

816
01:46:53.350 --> 01:47:00.130
John Compton: and whatever. So they will, they will do a calculation and update those update those numbers.

817
01:47:00.220 --> 01:47:14.480
John Compton: and with those numbers we can decide exactly what work? We we want to do. So here's the revised table, and it's in the it's in the materials. No, it's not in the materials. I will put this in the materials.

818
01:47:14.810 --> 01:47:16.390
John Compton: Maybe I already did.

819
01:47:16.580 --> 01:47:26.009
John Compton:  this is this shows the areas that where the work where work was not done. Remember, there's a map with these

820
01:47:26.150 --> 01:47:30.920
John Compton: various various letters showing the the the

821
01:47:30.940 --> 01:47:32.060
John Compton: areas.

822
01:47:32.130 --> 01:47:37.819
John Compton: So that's that's the ones. You know. Here.

823
01:47:37.940 --> 01:47:44.570
John Compton: Then there were some potential new segments. I asked you all if you had any suggestions. Well, some

824
01:47:44.800 --> 01:47:49.500
John Compton: some did come out from a few residents.

825
01:47:50.040 --> 01:48:00.320
John Compton:  1 1 one suggestion was that we do something about the

826
01:48:00.690 --> 01:48:01.990
John Compton: Sixth Avenue

827
01:48:02.270 --> 01:48:10.630
John Compton:  from Dorsey to where the actual walkway? No, no, no vehicular beyond this sign.

828
01:48:10.800 --> 01:48:23.649
John Compton:  The planning commission took a look at that suggestion. There was a letter they, they, they concluded, and I believe I hope I put in the

829
01:48:24.020 --> 01:48:28.760
John Compton: in there. Yes, the memo to the Town Council from Georgette.

830
01:48:29.150 --> 01:48:32.530
John Compton: Applying Commission chair

831
01:48:33.310 --> 01:48:50.590
John Compton: on the Planning Commission's recommendation regarding Sixth Avenue. Basically, it's a recommendation that the that it not be that not be paid, then not be tarred and chip, but that it'd be improved

832
01:48:50.790 --> 01:49:00.269
John Compton: to support safe vehicular traffic during all weathers that is, the drainage be improved

833
01:49:00.370 --> 01:49:07.059
John Compton: and and the hardness of the surface being proof. And and we've done that on, on walkways elsewhere.

834
01:49:07.160 --> 01:49:10.340
John Compton: By adding gravel and and doing

835
01:49:10.620 --> 01:49:18.479
John Compton: a few other things as well as being sure that the that segment is plowed with of snow.

836
01:49:18.560 --> 01:49:26.430
John Compton: so that the residents have access. That was a recommendation. So I've removed it from further consideration.

837
01:49:26.570 --> 01:49:28.629
John Compton: for now for

838
01:49:28.680 --> 01:49:30.930
John Compton: for any any paving

839
01:49:31.160 --> 01:49:34.390
John Compton: the other 3. I hope you're seeing this.

840
01:49:34.670 --> 01:49:42.609
John Compton: One was Locus Lane Lane. Locust Lane is the access to some of the houses on the circle or on

841
01:49:42.700 --> 01:49:44.879
John Compton: grove

842
01:49:45.880 --> 01:49:48.139
John Compton: grove Avenue

843
01:49:48.350 --> 01:49:49.980
John Compton: and there is a root.

844
01:49:50.340 --> 01:49:58.949
John Compton: a tree route that has pushed up the pavement. It's a substantial tree route, and there is a substantial bump.

845
01:49:59.390 --> 01:50:02.410
John Compton: and it does make

846
01:50:03.450 --> 01:50:08.110
Peter Nagrod: Umhm like make

847
01:50:08.350 --> 01:50:12.840
John Compton: going over. It's it's like a speed bump. Very effective.

848
01:50:12.920 --> 01:50:30.609
John Compton: So request was to consider that one Then on Johnson Alley there is a an area where? From about 10 feet, and I meant to look up the address. It's right where the guard rail ends.

849
01:50:30.850 --> 01:50:35.460
John Compton: which is breaking up and and and certainly could use repair. I have it

850
01:50:35.730 --> 01:50:39.360
John Compton: in red here. It. It's definitely in need of.

851
01:50:39.560 --> 01:50:44.179
John Compton: I think they're 4 11. Grove, I think, is who that is.

852
01:50:46.030 --> 01:50:57.159
John Compton: And then hickory. This is what these are ones III looked at Hickory was suggested by someone to take a look at it. They down at the end of hickory, where the turnaround is.

853
01:50:57.220 --> 01:50:59.510
John Compton: The turnaround is

854
01:50:59.730 --> 01:51:08.350
John Compton: in my, you know, in in Mar, in in reasonable conditions, considering it's a turnaround, and the pavement is is not

855
01:51:08.400 --> 01:51:16.359
John Compton: not high priority, but before the turn you get to the turnaround. There is. The roadway is breaking up. So that's another region.

856
01:51:17.040 --> 01:51:24.140
John Compton: Bottom line is these are the regions that I suggest we go out and get bid, and hopefully we can make

857
01:51:24.230 --> 01:51:36.259
John Compton: the Council can make a a confirmation of what what work to do. I've also shown on this. On this table. A reassessment of the 2,022 priority.

858
01:51:36.390 --> 01:51:45.190
John Compton: And so we have a 2,024 priority is the second number. So what has happened in the intervening

859
01:51:45.820 --> 01:51:54.329
John Compton: 2 years? Not much as you can see the my assessment, and you're welcome to

860
01:51:54.560 --> 01:51:56.500
John Compton: look at any of these segments

861
01:51:56.590 --> 01:52:03.440
John Compton: is that not much has changed. The rest of acorn.

862
01:52:03.580 --> 01:52:11.000
John Compton: is is still deteriorating. No, it's serviceable.

863
01:52:11.050 --> 01:52:20.659
John Compton: but it would definitely be a priority. Repaving the we're we're part. And then you can look at the rest of these.

864
01:52:20.760 --> 01:52:32.589
John Compton: there, there's there's largely most of these are not in dire need of repair. It's a II will comment. Ii looked at all the roads

865
01:52:32.670 --> 01:52:36.659
John Compton: roads in town are in remarkably good shape, in my opinion.

866
01:52:36.830 --> 01:52:37.840
Peter Nagrod: Hmm!

867
01:52:38.350 --> 01:52:46.470
John Compton: Which merely means, for now. you know, there's nothing desperately needed in in repaving.

868
01:52:46.850 --> 01:52:51.410
John Compton: you know, I fear that you know. 3 years from now. There'll be, you know.

869
01:52:51.600 --> 01:52:55.500
John Compton: half a mile of payment will all have broken up. But

870
01:52:55.510 --> 01:53:09.550
John Compton: we'll have we. We can keep our fingers crossed on that. So I'm gonna go out I'm just telling you I'm gonna go out and get new prices on all of the ones that were bid. I'm gonna ask if they'll give a bids on these

871
01:53:10.130 --> 01:53:15.069
John Compton: these few new areas. They're very limited repairs.

872
01:53:15.200 --> 01:53:21.720
John Compton: Just to say, you know, it's something we could do outside. I mean.

873
01:53:22.580 --> 01:53:32.620
John Compton: you know, Major, Major road work. But I think we can include it here. So that's my status based on.

874
01:53:33.280 --> 01:53:40.370
Peter Nagrod: but based on the way this is being priced. Why can't we entertain a third bit of coming in and giving pro us pricing

875
01:53:40.940 --> 01:53:46.650
John Compton: reissue. We can reissue the Rfp.

876
01:53:49.120 --> 01:53:53.450
John Compton: it's a little work intensive, because you you actually have

877
01:53:53.660 --> 01:53:55.010
John Compton: define.

878
01:53:56.070 --> 01:54:01.370
John Compton: or the bidder has to define wha what? Exactly they are going to do

879
01:54:01.380 --> 01:54:04.099
John Compton: in each of these. How expensive

880
01:54:04.230 --> 01:54:12.760
John Compton: you know from here to here what what we did last time is, I actually went to the trouble, and took some paint, and went in and marked

881
01:54:12.910 --> 01:54:17.539
John Compton: from here to here. and from here to here, and you saw how many there were

882
01:54:17.560 --> 01:54:23.069
John Compton: and therefore the bids were, you know, apples to apples.

883
01:54:23.260 --> 01:54:28.680
John Compton: for that. A. Of course it could be modified after discussing with the

884
01:54:29.450 --> 01:54:33.649
John Compton: I'm a contractor. but at least the bids were.

885
01:54:33.800 --> 01:54:42.420
Peter Nagrod: and that was all developed with the help of I don't want to add a lot of extra.

886
01:54:42.560 --> 01:54:54.809
Peter Nagrod: I just dealt with the company up in that area that was really inexpensive and fantastic work. And II thought that you know, if we can, if we can get this for a lot cheaper. Same quality.

887
01:54:56.490 --> 01:54:59.950
Kathy Lehman: Why not try? But if it's gonna be, what's their name?

888
01:55:00.340 --> 01:55:02.289
Peter Nagrod: I can't tell you right now

889
01:55:02.620 --> 01:55:05.129
Kathy Lehman: I can send it, but

890
01:55:05.490 --> 01:55:10.330
Peter Nagrod: it's just that, if it, you know it, it seems like we're sending out. If it's gonna send out a new Rfp.

891
01:55:10.790 --> 01:55:17.630
Peter Nagrod: And it's not too much work. I would like to include that. But if it is, you know, if it is a lot of work, I'm fine with not doing it.

892
01:55:19.900 --> 01:55:21.639
Peter Nagrod: You just muted yourself, John.

893
01:55:23.490 --> 01:55:25.889
John Compton: Alright. I know I've been coughing.

894
01:55:26.170 --> 01:55:31.279
Peter Nagrod: So yeah, it's contagious. So much talking and not breathing.

895
01:55:31.480 --> 01:55:33.240
John Compton: Yeah.

896
01:55:33.460 --> 01:55:38.640
John Compton: okay. So II appreciate what you're saying, and I'll tell you what, if

897
01:55:38.670 --> 01:55:39.870
John Compton: it's life

898
01:55:41.330 --> 01:55:45.669
John Compton: in the in the town slows down a bit. I'm willing to

899
01:55:45.890 --> 01:55:50.600
John Compton: put it out for a new Rfp. If so, I will definitely bring it to the Council

900
01:55:51.380 --> 01:55:54.339
John Compton: for your your approval.

901
01:55:54.500 --> 01:55:55.320
Peter Nagrod: Okay.

902
01:55:55.910 --> 01:55:56.880
Peter Nagrod: thank you.

903
01:55:58.120 --> 01:56:00.760
John Compton:  all right.

904
01:56:02.380 --> 01:56:09.709
John Compton: Alright. That's the end of the administrative matters for tonight. Where are we? 9, 30? It's not that bad. Okay?

905
01:56:10.260 --> 01:56:25.299
John Compton: Where? Now on to on the unfinished business, the first item of which has no number. For some reason. Is the adu. Ordinance. 2,023. Dash away

906
01:56:25.610 --> 01:56:29.160
John Compton:  and

907
01:56:29.750 --> 01:56:34.700
John Compton: What I wanted to do before a discussion. Also.

908
01:56:34.970 --> 01:56:40.589
John Compton: as you recall the or previous the Council's previous discussion.

909
01:56:40.700 --> 01:56:50.310
John Compton: Ended with a sub group of the Council being Eva, Barbara and Peter, I think, with the assistance of Georgette.

910
01:56:51.240 --> 01:56:55.889
John Compton: known as known on the documents as PEGB.

911
01:56:56.480 --> 01:57:10.089
John Compton:  went through the ordinance and made some some recommended, or some some changes that they were going to route, recommended the council, and that was in the packet.

912
01:57:10.230 --> 01:57:18.840
John Compton: and we can get to that in a moment. But I didn't want to before I did that. I just wanted to. Everyone

913
01:57:19.210 --> 01:57:27.210
John Compton: about the the timeline that we the Council is working under

914
01:57:29.000 --> 01:57:33.180
John Compton: just the timeline. Yes. the timeline

915
01:57:33.210 --> 01:57:38.269
John Compton: that the Council is working under and the dates, of course, on on this thing.

916
01:57:38.360 --> 01:57:40.790
John Compton: I'm gonna show you I should have updated them.

917
01:57:40.800 --> 01:57:43.539
John Compton: Basically, though, we have

918
01:57:43.580 --> 01:57:46.480
John Compton: 90 days to act

919
01:57:46.540 --> 01:57:54.130
John Compton: and then there's a bunch of things to do. So we don't want to put this off beyond.

920
01:57:55.430 --> 01:57:58.330
John Compton: When was it introduced? Let me

921
01:57:59.590 --> 01:58:01.819
Kathy Lehman: me get it. Get it up here.

922
01:58:02.840 --> 01:58:03.790
John Compton: The

923
01:58:06.070 --> 01:58:13.250
Barbara: working group revision. Was it introduced during the last regular town council meeting? Right. February

924
01:58:13.730 --> 01:58:19.980
John Compton: 12. Is that right? Oh, when it first came over

925
01:58:20.110 --> 01:58:23.300
John Compton: December for sure. Okay, never mind. Sorry

926
01:58:23.360 --> 01:58:28.360
John Compton: running at a time to to add one way or the other.

927
01:58:29.230 --> 01:58:31.350
John Compton: I hear it is.

928
01:58:33.970 --> 01:58:37.949
John Compton: yeah. Yeah. 1211.

929
01:58:38.180 --> 01:58:47.810
John Compton: So we're currently at. Oh, currently, at 3 months. I forgot, I forgot exactly how much time it is, but we need to do to act.

930
01:58:48.050 --> 01:58:52.340
John Compton: The timeline sits here. I didn't put the current dates on

931
01:58:53.230 --> 01:58:56.030
John Compton:  but

932
01:58:56.690 --> 01:59:05.370
John Compton: they, the the current currently has action by the by the end of January. Well, we've missed that one.

933
01:59:05.610 --> 01:59:13.349
John Compton: Nobody's gonna complain because everybody's doing such a good job. So let's it's not nowhere. I've been shirking

934
01:59:13.650 --> 01:59:18.539
John Compton: attention to this zoning text amendment.

935
01:59:18.940 --> 01:59:22.359
John Compton: Alright. So we are at

936
01:59:22.660 --> 01:59:29.699
John Compton: We are at the discussion. And I'll let the working group take it from here.

937
01:59:29.980 --> 01:59:31.290
John Compton: Who's up.

938
01:59:33.800 --> 01:59:37.170
Eva: Barbara? Do you want to talk about the change? Are we just kind of

939
01:59:38.050 --> 01:59:41.550
Eva: summarizing the changes we've made. Or, yeah.

940
01:59:41.720 --> 01:59:44.380
Barbara: that would be my thought that we would

941
01:59:44.420 --> 01:59:57.129
Barbara: go because everybody saw you know what was introduced from the planning commission. And we we can just walk through because we have the document and track changes and just show the changes that we are suggesting

942
01:59:57.240 --> 01:59:59.539
and answer any questions on those.

943
02:00:00.160 --> 02:00:10.369
John Compton: Okay, yeah, John, do you want to put up the one here? Let me put up the version where I put some kind of one or 2 comments.

944
02:00:11.020 --> 02:00:14.600
John Compton: oh, God! So therefore I have the wrong one up.

945
02:00:16.830 --> 02:00:18.929
John Compton: That's why I won't have to get confused.

946
02:00:19.190 --> 02:00:20.790
John Compton: Famous last words.

947
02:00:21.140 --> 02:00:21.980
the

948
02:00:26.670 --> 02:00:27.920
John Compton: alright.

949
02:00:32.940 --> 02:00:43.959
John Compton: okay. you guys can see that now. Well, how would you like to show it with the but the a few

950
02:00:44.720 --> 02:00:47.350
John Compton: markup, all the markup is shown.

951
02:00:47.650 --> 02:00:48.760
John Compton: Okay. So

952
02:00:49.530 --> 02:00:52.580
Eva: why is it not sure? Oh, it is.

953
02:00:52.600 --> 02:00:53.850
Barbara: Yes.

954
02:00:54.660 --> 02:00:56.970
John Compton: I thought you had some comments.

955
02:00:59.600 --> 02:01:10.950
Barbara: Yeah, the the comments mostly. I think you don't need to see them, because we could just talk about what they are. A lot of the comments would show like where something was deleted.

956
02:01:11.150 --> 02:01:15.089
Barbara: But you know, if it's not there, I don't think it makes a difference.

957
02:01:16.620 --> 02:01:21.799
Barbara: you know, because we might have changed something, so we might have deleted one thing and added something else. But you'll see what we added.

958
02:01:22.240 --> 02:01:24.420
John Compton: alright. So you wanna go through with this?

959
02:01:24.560 --> 02:01:26.609
John Compton: Yeah, this is place to start.

960
02:01:27.690 --> 02:01:32.120
Barbara: So this is the the very beginning.

961
02:01:32.890 --> 02:01:33.650
John Compton: yeah.

962
02:01:34.010 --> 02:01:44.360
Barbara: Okay, okay, so this is like, the first substitute suggesting that we're making. So the

963
02:01:44.360 --> 02:02:10.449
Barbara: we wanna make clear that the guidelines that were proposed by the Historic Preservation Commission are voluntary and recommended. You know, as we all know, that when you have plans to do something to your house. It's recommended that you go to the Hpc. And they have some suggestions for you, and it's up to you if you want to use them or not. So we just added those those words in here just to make that clear.

964
02:02:12.810 --> 02:02:13.680
John Compton: Okay.

965
02:02:14.610 --> 02:02:18.010
Barbara: these are just you know, the date. And you know.

966
02:02:18.410 --> 02:02:21.839
Barbara: mind award change. That's that's nothing significant.

967
02:02:22.540 --> 02:02:30.530
John Compton: Okay? Well, so that that's the resolution. But here's the the the amendments to Article 7.

968
02:02:30.690 --> 02:02:36.710
John Compton: Alright, so this was in there. In the first place.

969
02:02:38.000 --> 02:02:41.029
John Compton: this isn't showing up to what. Here we go. Yeah.

970
02:02:42.040 --> 02:03:08.299
Barbara: okay, so yeah, household. So we had whole big discussion about this. And the county has a definition of household, and we went around and around on like, what should we call a household? And then we finally realized we didn't really need to define household because we don't use it in the ordinance. Now we do later talk about the number of people who are allowed to live in Avu. But we just at the very end decided.

971
02:03:08.300 --> 02:03:15.890
Barbara: Let's just leave the current definition of household there, because for the purposes of this ordinance we don't need to change it.

972
02:03:15.890 --> 02:03:26.640
Barbara: So we're saying, Keep the current, the existing definition of household in the current ordinance, that's all we're saying. There. In other words, leave it alone.

973
02:03:29.550 --> 02:03:30.450
Barbara: Okay.

974
02:03:31.100 --> 02:03:37.460
Barbara: okay. Next off street parking, just to clarify. I think we had on-site parking, but

975
02:03:37.520 --> 02:03:48.379
Barbara: off street was the better term. So we changed that off through the document. So we had to put a term a definition in here. This is the definition section of the ordinance. So that's what that is.

976
02:03:50.970 --> 02:04:06.159
Barbara: Short-term residential rental. We do have a section in here where we prohibit short term residential rental, so we had to define it. So again, this is the definition section. Here is the definition of short-term residential rental.

977
02:04:07.540 --> 02:04:09.120
Barbara: Alright. Next

978
02:04:09.230 --> 02:04:12.819
Barbara: again, you know, on site versus off street.

979
02:04:13.360 --> 02:04:16.749
John Compton: Alright, it's the next several like that.

980
02:04:17.190 --> 02:04:20.020
Barbara: Okay, so now.

981
02:04:21.900 --> 02:04:23.370
Barbara: right E,

982
02:04:24.490 --> 02:04:31.059
Barbara: so the the county ordinance limited the number of people over 18 to 2,

983
02:04:31.150 --> 02:04:58.120
Barbara: and we had feedback from residents saying, that's really not gonna work here. We already have households where there is, you know, 2 sets of 2 couples or an adult with 2 adult children, or whatever some parameter, where it you would end up with more than 2 adults. And so we felt like, we don't wanna limit it to 2 adults. We didn't think that was right. So we but we did say

984
02:04:58.300 --> 02:05:13.080
Barbara: there should be a limit on the number of people living there, because it's 2 bedrooms. And most of the time it's gonna be a limit of 800 square feet could be even smaller, depending on the size of the footprint of the house that you're you're building it on. So we decided

985
02:05:13.080 --> 02:05:40.380
Barbara: 5 was a good number, you know, could have been for could have been 6. I don't know, but we decided for a 2 bedroom. Adu in somebody's house or backyard. 5 seems like a really fair number, and in fact, there may be landlords. You only if they rent this out. They might feel like, didn't even wanna rent it to 5 people. They might only wanna rent it to a smaller number, but that would be between the landlord and the tenant for the purpose of the ordinance. The maximum would be 5,

986
02:05:40.520 --> 02:05:50.329
Eva: and that's in any combination, so it could be like one adult and 4 children or any combination. We're just saying 5 people. Yes, so

987
02:05:50.870 --> 02:05:54.109
John Compton: so they I just want to make a comment. The counties

988
02:05:55.550 --> 02:05:57.770
John Compton: attempt was to deal with.

989
02:05:58.410 --> 02:06:06.779
John Compton: you know, to to a partner, you know, aid to adults who are partners of whom

990
02:06:06.940 --> 02:06:08.270
John Compton: may have children.

991
02:06:09.560 --> 02:06:12.589
John Compton:  But of course this is

992
02:06:13.390 --> 02:06:17.619
John Compton: limiting to 5 occupants, meaning of any age.

993
02:06:17.810 --> 02:06:23.249
John Compton: So I just want to point that out that you know it's it. It means 3

994
02:06:24.570 --> 02:06:27.250
John Compton: individuals of any

995
02:06:27.380 --> 02:06:28.180
John Compton: help.

996
02:06:29.650 --> 02:06:32.280
Peter Nagrod: So what's is it a concern?

997
02:06:32.310 --> 02:06:35.399
Peter Nagrod: Yeah, what? What's the point?

998
02:06:35.470 --> 02:06:36.709
Peter Nagrod: What do you say?

999
02:06:36.950 --> 02:06:38.330
John Compton: Just a

1000
02:06:39.670 --> 02:06:46.979
John Compton: just pointing out that there is a limitation there that that someone with larger families will not will be excluded.

1001
02:06:47.140 --> 02:06:49.649
Peter Nagrod: Yeah, it's too bad. So yeah, exactly.

1002
02:06:49.750 --> 02:06:57.229
Barbara: Yeah. Yes. Because again, you know, it's the size of the building. The fact that there are 2 bedrooms.

1003
02:06:57.690 --> 02:07:01.450
Barbara: There needs to be a number there, and that is the number that we chose.

1004
02:07:01.560 --> 02:07:02.260
Peter Nagrod: Bye.

1005
02:07:02.370 --> 02:07:03.180
Kathy Lehman: Okay.

1006
02:07:03.510 --> 02:07:09.359
John Compton: Peggy, are you addressing this? Or you wanna wait to Marcus. Finish. Let's wait till Marcus finish.

1007
02:07:09.990 --> 02:07:10.810
Kathy Lehman: Oh.

1008
02:07:11.010 --> 02:07:11.800
John Compton: okay.

1009
02:07:11.930 --> 02:07:14.680
John Compton: alright. So

1010
02:07:14.860 --> 02:07:27.090
Barbara: okay. Now then, the next one is where this is where we prohibit short term residential rentals. In the other section we defined short term residential rentals. And now we're saying, these are prohibited.

1011
02:07:30.110 --> 02:07:32.909
John Compton: Okay? So under attached

1012
02:07:33.240 --> 02:07:35.180
John Compton: dwelling units we have.

1013
02:07:36.530 --> 02:07:38.250
John Compton: Yes, okay.

1014
02:07:38.320 --> 02:07:40.589
Barbara: so let's look at B

1015
02:07:41.540 --> 02:07:52.590
Eva: and Barbara. Sorry to jump in. I just wanna say with with the attached accessory dwelling unit because we had a lot of conversation about what we mean by this and

1016
02:07:52.920 --> 02:08:15.709
Eva: that we're talking about either something that is being built that doesn't already exist that is being built with the purpose of being an avu, or it can also be something that already exists like a basement or an addict that the owner is going to turn into an AV. So Barbara will go over the specifics. But we felt like there needed to be language, or

1017
02:08:15.730 --> 02:08:18.669
Eva: those 2 separate cases. Yes.

1018
02:08:18.870 --> 02:08:34.890
Barbara: great. Thank you. Okay, so B, this is about limiting the number limiting the size. So this is basically you have your house. You have something that you're building outside of the house. It can be no bigger than 800 square feet.

1019
02:08:35.060 --> 02:08:48.479
Barbara: and it still has to fit into the whole footprint footprint limitations that are in a that are already in the the ordinance about your house can only take up a certain percentage of your yard

1020
02:08:48.850 --> 02:08:58.969
Barbara: so that has to be met, and it can't be more than 800 square feet if you're adding new new space on the outside of the house the existing house.

1021
02:09:00.040 --> 02:09:20.979
Barbara: So then, as Eva was saying, we also looked at, and the county has this section here about basements, but we decided to talk about basements. So you know, whatever permutation of your house you wanna talk about. If you already have a section of your house that is more than 800 square feet like that's okay. But you still can't.

1022
02:09:21.260 --> 02:09:22.410
Barbara: Let's see.

1023
02:09:22.850 --> 02:09:28.490
Barbara: Yes. So if you're say your basement is more than 800 square feet.

1024
02:09:28.490 --> 02:09:50.989
Barbara: then your adu can be more than 800 square feet, because from the outside of the house it looks exactly the same like your neighbors aren't. Gonna see the the new building, or the adu, or any of that. It's gonna look the same from the outside. So we thought it was fair to allow people to build something a little bigger. If they had the space right, we'll not build it. But if it's already there, and you're turning it into yes.

1025
02:09:50.990 --> 02:10:02.730
Eva: yeah. Yeah. So yeah, so if it's a basement, or like, you know, the English's they have that separate wing that's already there. They're not building anything extra.

1026
02:10:02.730 --> 02:10:10.509
Eva: They can turn that into an adu. And if it's more than 800 square feet that's allowed, this is where the 5 people.

1027
02:10:10.660 --> 02:10:16.220
Peter Nagrod: because you could have a basement. You could have a a bedroom that's 1,200 square feet or something, and

1028
02:10:16.740 --> 02:10:23.379
Peter Nagrod: still limiting to 5 people. Yeah, that that's key. Right

1029
02:10:24.090 --> 02:10:36.819
Barbara: now. The next section D, this has to do with this is an Hpc suggestion. You know the whole idea of compatibility with surrounding houses, and we just cleaned up that language a little bit.

1030
02:10:36.840 --> 02:10:48.329
Barbara: You know, change volume to enclose space compatible, and again use the terms voluntary, and recommended just just to clarify that, as we did earlier.

1031
02:10:53.580 --> 02:11:02.129
Barbara: and then that same section applies. This is for the detached units. This same compatibility

1032
02:11:02.730 --> 02:11:04.949
Barbara: provision applies to that as well.

1033
02:11:07.070 --> 02:11:34.759
Barbara: Now this one has to do. This is sort of like we're not using the word, grandfather, but it's kind of like the grandfather clause. So if you have a building in your on your property. Now that is not doesn't fit into these parameters exactly, but it's there, and it's built a long time ago, and you know it's fine. You can turn that into an Abu. And this this section was actually taken right from the the county code. Because we just felt it was fair that if

1034
02:11:35.090 --> 02:11:48.719
Barbara: you know you have this lovely building on your property that's been there and not bothering anybody. And if you want, you know your mother-in-law to come live there like, why shouldn't you be able to do that? That seems like a fair thing to do. So that's what that section is about.

1035
02:11:49.530 --> 02:11:59.980
Barbara: and then count section 6.4. Town Council Review. I know there's a lot of concern. This is all new like, what if you know, we pass this, and there's something that we hate.

1036
02:12:00.020 --> 02:12:14.890
Barbara: There's a mandatory review in 5 years, so the ordinance shall be reviewed by the Town Council no later than March 2029. But if the Town Council wants to review it before it can do that as well, so

1037
02:12:15.050 --> 02:12:20.410
Barbara: we're not stuck with this ordinance, for we can change it anytime in time. Council wants to change it.

1038
02:12:22.360 --> 02:12:26.690
Barbara: Then a few more again, off street thing versus on-site

1039
02:12:27.560 --> 02:12:28.600
John Compton: opposed.

1040
02:12:29.340 --> 02:12:30.280
Barbara: Yeah.

1041
02:12:31.810 --> 02:12:45.470
Barbara: And then in the last section. This would have allowed A. D's to be built in the commercial corner, and our master plan does allow for housing to be built there, and

1042
02:12:45.470 --> 02:13:04.209
Barbara: that's fine, except it wouldn't be an adu. So it just was really wasn't. This isn't the proper place for it. When there's a plan or discussion about what to do with that property and how to fit housing there. We'll have that discussion, but this is not the place for it. So that's why we took that out.

1043
02:13:04.920 --> 02:13:19.859
Barbara: So this are pretty much the changes we went through, everybody's comments, all the letters that were written, the various, you know, verbal feedback that we got. We really tried our best to incorporate people's ideas and address their concerns.

1044
02:13:21.000 --> 02:13:23.900
Peter Nagrod: So are there questions or

1045
02:13:30.250 --> 02:13:32.290
Eva: sounds like we're ready to vote on it.

1046
02:13:32.420 --> 02:13:46.079
John Compton: Oh, oh, wait! Peggy has her hand up. Actually. we we don't want to listen to it.

1047
02:13:47.470 --> 02:14:15.379
Peggy Koniz-Booher: Okay, anyway. II wanted to address the voluntary question about the Hpc. Recommendations that Hbc. Actually suggested that, due to the increased scale risk of of ad use to the property, the increase scale risk to the historic district that those, the recommendations of the Hpc.

1048
02:14:15.380 --> 02:14:27.639
Peggy Koniz-Booher: Would be forwarded to the planning Commission, and the planning commission would be enabled, similar to the to the subdivision ordinance to actually act on those recommendations.

1049
02:14:28.610 --> 02:14:37.499
Barbara: Yes. So we talked a lot about that. So the way it was worded it was something along the lines of then the PC. Can

1050
02:14:37.510 --> 02:15:00.970
Barbara: interpret, make its decision based on its interpretation of the comprehensive plan, or something like that, and we felt like we should put into the ordinance whatever guidelines and rules we want the PC. To follow. It's not a good idea to just leave it open to the planning Commission to say, Well, take a look at the comprehensive plan and just

1051
02:15:00.970 --> 02:15:24.749
Barbara: decide this permit, based on the comprehensive plan they really need to be clear about what guidelines they need to follow. The people who are applying for a permit need to know what those guidelines are or the rules, I should say, really not. They're not guidelines. It's an ordinance, and the neighbors in the surrounding community need to know what they can expect when their neighbors, building an adu in their yard, or you know, however, it is

1052
02:15:24.750 --> 02:15:35.319
Barbara: so. We felt like that was a very, you know, kind of a mushy kind of kind of language that was suggested. So we did not think that that was appropriate to include

1053
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Peggy Koniz-Booher: So the the Hpc. Has been operating under a set of guidelines for

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02:15:47.990 --> 02:15:50.970
Peggy Koniz-Booher: what? 20 years, and

1055
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Peggy Koniz-Booher: And has a pretty good track record for for what those particular guidelines are. Guidelines are for the mostly related to the scale and the mass of the houses

1056
02:16:03.510 --> 02:16:04.940
Peggy Koniz-Booher: and

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02:16:05.690 --> 02:16:19.439
Peggy Koniz-Booher: those guidelines are published. So it's not as if they're a mystery. So the intent was, for since the increase, the potential increase risk

1058
02:16:19.490 --> 02:16:28.949
Peggy Koniz-Booher: from increase scale of the houses from this ordinance that there should be an increased amount of of

1059
02:16:29.130 --> 02:16:34.919
Peggy Koniz-Booher:  management, so to speak, of. By the town of those

1060
02:16:35.070 --> 02:16:36.070
Peggy Koniz-Booher: projects.

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02:16:36.990 --> 02:16:43.650
Barbara: Well, you need to be clear, though, on what the management is to us, to me

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Barbara: to say, well, just has to. You know, whatever, however, the amount, the comprehensive plan is interpreted that really leaves it open, and I would say that that really does not protect property rights. I mean, I really think if that was challenged, you know, in court is being unconstitutional, there would be really grounds for that because it's it's so vague, you know. What does that mean? I think you really need to be clear when you tell people what they're allowed to do and what they're not allowed to do with their property. So that's that's why we didn't include it.

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02:17:11.590 --> 02:17:15.539
Peggy Koniz-Booher: Does that? Does that apply to the subdivision ordinance as well.

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02:17:17.820 --> 02:17:29.059
Barbara: We did not specifically go into a lot of detail on that. I don't. Planning Commission currently has that that

1065
02:17:29.480 --> 02:17:34.810
Peggy Koniz-Booher: power. Well, that sounds very, very sticky.

1066
02:17:34.840 --> 02:17:37.750
John Compton:  

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02:17:37.910 --> 02:17:40.959
John Compton: The the language here in this ordinance

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02:17:41.709 --> 02:17:47.149
John Compton: actually is. Does. I think what you you you were

1069
02:17:47.170 --> 02:17:48.389
John Compton: concerned about?

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02:17:48.780 --> 02:18:07.830
John Compton: We're just reading it here. The detached accessory dwelling unit should be compatible with the existing structure in the neighborhood, and should be compatible with the historic integrity of the historic district, and the voluntary recommended guidelines for new construction, as defined by the Historic Preservation Commission.

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02:18:08.080 --> 02:18:13.409
John Compton: That sounds like a criteria that the planning Commission can act on

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02:18:14.840 --> 02:18:16.429
Peggy Koniz-Booher: is that true, Barbara?

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02:18:16.500 --> 02:18:25.069
John Compton: Well, it is the way this is. Now, that's what the intent of that was. That's why that language is included in in several of the different sections.

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02:18:25.559 --> 02:18:37.610
Eva: Yeah, I think we just we changed the language from should respect the historic integrity to should be compatible with the historic integrity. But it's still the same.

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02:18:37.620 --> 02:18:59.670
Peggy Koniz-Booher: you know. It's it's similar to what was, I guess, the whole question. The the whole question is, would the planning Commission be able to to compel an applicant to reduce the the impact of that, the purchase of the project?

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02:18:59.750 --> 02:19:01.860
Barbara: Are they able to do it now?

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02:19:02.660 --> 02:19:06.749
Peggy Koniz-Booher: No, not not not on on regular houses? No.

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02:19:06.910 --> 02:19:11.299
Barbara: because because the planning, the historical preservation

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02:19:11.730 --> 02:19:13.889
Barbara: recommendations are not

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02:19:13.920 --> 02:19:32.700
Peggy Koniz-Booher: mandatory. So and then that's mandatory here, and they've never been mandatory, so we did not make them mandatory. The the intent of the suggestion by the Hpc. Was to make them essentially mandatory, as managed by the planning commission due to the increased scale risk.

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02:19:33.040 --> 02:19:57.980
Barbara: Yeah. But if you're making something mandatory, you have to be really clear about like we have the mandatory limit of 800 square feet, for example, like but you can measure that. But when you say mandatory, you know to be compatible with the existing existing structure, if you say mandatory, to be compatible with comprehensive plan, like the comprehensive plan, is a lot of pages. That's how do you?

1082
02:19:58.200 --> 02:20:07.200
Barbara: How do you parse through that and determine what's mandatory in that plan. And what isn't, I mean, actually. And our comprehensive plan is not mandatory.

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02:20:07.240 --> 02:20:15.760
Barbara: This is as close, I think, as you can get without making it mandatory, and and it never has been, and it was not our intent to make it mandatory.

1084
02:20:16.890 --> 02:20:26.350
John Compton: Our ordinances for construction do not contain this sort of language here, so II think your

1085
02:20:26.470 --> 02:20:37.859
John Compton: I think your worries are. I don't think there's a huge worry here. This actually contains pretty pretty actionable requirement

1086
02:20:37.880 --> 02:20:41.749
John Compton: that it, it follow the recommended guidelines.

1087
02:20:42.690 --> 02:20:48.719
John Compton: And if the Planning commission with Historic Preservation Commission doesn't feel it has.

1088
02:20:48.890 --> 02:20:52.649
John Compton: then there's there's cost for not approving.

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02:20:54.650 --> 02:21:04.109
Peter Nagrod: So, so, John, what what Bob's referring to is the powers. We've had some very good success stories with subdivisions

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02:21:04.830 --> 02:21:12.449
Peter Nagrod: which we don't. And as we have, we have more control there than we have with the individual residents, and that's kind of what

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02:21:12.580 --> 02:21:18.490
Peter Nagrod: he's looking at. And and I think that's okay. But I really feel like limiting

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02:21:18.570 --> 02:21:21.510
Peter Nagrod: the detached adu. The 800 square feet

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02:21:22.030 --> 02:21:29.759
Peter Nagrod: does control imaginization. And as far as the aesthetics of what the the, what, the what the homeowner wants to build.

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02:21:29.850 --> 02:21:46.259
Peter Nagrod: I don't think the town, really, you know, wants anybody to have control over what they want to do. I think I think the Hpc. Could influence them in a great, you know, and to to to move in a direction that would. You know with what we want, but as far as being mandated, I don't think

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02:21:46.300 --> 02:21:48.540
Peter Nagrod: we're going to, you know it's going to go through.

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02:21:48.560 --> 02:22:03.399
Peggy Koniz-Booher: So the the the, the the reason that this comes up is that we did pass go through a process when we were dealing with mansionization to deal deal with the and the far came out of it.

1097
02:22:03.570 --> 02:22:09.939
Peggy Koniz-Booher: The far covered a a great deal of the the problem, but did not cover all of the problem.

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02:22:10.170 --> 02:22:36.369
Peggy Koniz-Booher: So we have have, I guess, been lax in our attention to trying to to remedy the the the risk that is still there for mansionization. And this is a one attempt to say, Well, okay. If there's a new new ordinance, and there is an increased risk of mansion, then that is a

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02:22:36.730 --> 02:22:38.290
Peggy Koniz-Booher: is

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02:22:38.480 --> 02:22:43.069
Peggy Koniz-Booher: a reasonable, reasonable reason to to try to address the rooms.

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02:22:43.560 --> 02:22:57.510
Barbara: Well, somebody could add 800 square feet onto their house now, and the Hpc. Desires would not be mandatory on that homeowner, they would be limited by the footprint on their

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02:22:57.520 --> 02:23:01.139
Peggy Koniz-Booher: their property. That's correct.

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02:23:04.850 --> 02:23:19.309
Peggy Koniz-Booher: But the the, the, the the risk is that somebody's gonna add it. 800 square feet, I think, is a larger. Has it been increased, due to the fact that now it's a it's a potentially profit making endeavors

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02:23:20.470 --> 02:23:26.209
Barbara: more likely to put something on our house that was incompatible

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02:23:26.240 --> 02:23:33.430
Barbara: because it's an avu versus something that was just gonna be like their extra den or something. Where? Where do you think?

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02:23:33.560 --> 02:23:58.259
Peggy Koniz-Booher: No matter what you're talking about?

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02:23:58.320 --> 02:24:07.880
Peter Nagrod: But still it it doesn't affect Mcmahon. The impact of the 800 square feet on the small houses in town is fairly large.

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02:24:08.460 --> 02:24:21.090
Peter Nagrod: but but it's but that's a that's a that's a done deal. They're gonna have 8. We're not gonna you're not. Gonna go back and say, you only have 600 square feet. No, no. So what you do is you try to mitigate. You try to mitigate the impacts of that 800 square feet.

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02:24:21.900 --> 02:24:34.869
Peter Nagrod: Right? But that. But that's not. That's not. But that doesn't affect the mansionization right? Cause. The size is the size of the size. Yeah.

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02:24:35.640 --> 02:24:41.649
Peter Nagrod: I mean, I appreciate what you're saying, because I know that I wouldn't want to have somebody put a box next to my house.

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02:24:41.720 --> 02:24:58.530
Peter Nagrod: II appreciate that. And but I think that if most people are gonna be you know, I don't think it helps to properly value by putting a box there versus, you know, making it properly more attractive, and if if you are able to influence them, which you have in many other houses. I mean, that's gonna be the key.

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02:24:59.280 --> 02:25:04.339
Peter Nagrod: But we didn't see we didn't see a way around this. We we we discussed this for quite a bit of time.

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02:25:05.110 --> 02:25:05.950
Barbara: Yeah.

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02:25:08.730 --> 02:25:10.329
Eva: there's no way.

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02:25:10.530 --> 02:25:13.550
Eva: have comments. questions.

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02:25:16.160 --> 02:25:17.850
Eva: Okay?

1117
02:25:18.320 --> 02:25:22.019
Barbara: So so then do we move to a motion to approve them

1118
02:25:24.960 --> 02:25:46.729
John Compton: making. Are you making a motion to approve this? Now you can move to act, or you can allow the town to take a look at your. The amendments

1119
02:25:46.740 --> 02:25:48.320
John Compton: prior to acting

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John Compton:  in this town.

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02:25:52.890 --> 02:25:58.150
John Compton: It's it's usually the best policy is to just allow a little bit more time like

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02:25:58.220 --> 02:26:02.709
John Compton: we can go to the March twenty-fifth meeting. It's only 2 weeks away.

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02:26:03.000 --> 02:26:13.560
John Compton: and intend to act on it, which would allow the town to at least anyone who's interested to see the amended

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02:26:13.640 --> 02:26:16.920
John Compton: the amended Gta.

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02:26:17.070 --> 02:26:19.530
Peter Nagrod: and that's that's it with our timeframe. Right?

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02:26:19.680 --> 02:26:25.710
John Compton: What? Well, timeframe nobody's gonna complain about the timeframe we we

1127
02:26:25.970 --> 02:26:28.470
John Compton: where I think we're

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02:26:32.250 --> 02:26:48.179
Eva: yeah. I mean, that's that's fine. If that's what people wanna do. I do think at the last meeting where we discussed this, there was a lot of confusion. People had a lot of confusion about what was actually in the ordinance. So

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02:26:48.220 --> 02:26:56.779
Eva: hopefully, they've been listening or you know, they can come to me, or Barbara or Peter with questions, if they're not sure they're understanding it.

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02:26:56.820 --> 02:27:05.589
Eva: So I would just say that. or Georgette or Georgette. Yes, she actually is probably the best person

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02:27:05.760 --> 02:27:08.440
John Compton: she's shaking. Right?

1132
02:27:08.710 --> 02:27:15.869
John Compton: yeah. So what I what I'll do, what I will do is before the 20. The meeting on the 20 fifth I will

1133
02:27:15.890 --> 02:27:20.789
John Compton: put out a global alert that in addition to the budget work session.

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02:27:20.920 --> 02:27:24.139
John Compton: which is always a barrel of fun

1135
02:27:24.250 --> 02:27:32.920
John Compton: the Council will entertain the will intends to act on the adu

1136
02:27:33.420 --> 02:27:34.800
John Compton: ordinance.

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02:27:34.850 --> 02:27:49.269
John Compton: and I'll include the amended ordinance, so people can see that there now the detached are still there. I mean, you know, there's been criticism of that, and and all of that stuff. So

1138
02:27:49.850 --> 02:27:55.370
John Compton: I think that would be the most transparent way of going about this II do see the Council being

1139
02:27:56.300 --> 02:27:59.040
John Compton: in favor of going ahead with this. So

1140
02:27:59.560 --> 02:28:03.220
Peter Nagrod: but can we just can we just go around. And

1141
02:28:03.490 --> 02:28:08.989
Peter Nagrod: I know that I just like, yeah, just make sure that nobody has a problem with this.

1142
02:28:09.070 --> 02:28:16.230
John Compton: Okay, well, we're like, well, we'll exclude the 3 of you since you brought it the Council, so we can start with Christine over here.

1143
02:28:20.130 --> 02:28:22.399
John Compton: You have. You have anything to.

1144
02:28:24.630 --> 02:28:26.530
Christine Dibble: No, I have no comments.

1145
02:28:27.340 --> 02:28:29.259
John Compton: You're okay. Good. Yeah.

1146
02:28:29.340 --> 02:28:30.930
Christine Dibble: Okay, Barry.

1147
02:28:36.800 --> 02:28:39.800
John Compton: Mary or Mary. Mary, you're muted

1148
02:28:45.400 --> 02:28:47.770
marywarfield: sorry. Sorry I lost my

1149
02:28:47.840 --> 02:28:51.199
marywarfield: audio for a while. No, I'm I'm for

1150
02:28:51.250 --> 02:28:52.900
marywarfield: it, as it currently is.

1151
02:28:54.110 --> 02:28:56.210
John Compton: Okay. And lastly, rob

1152
02:28:58.600 --> 02:29:00.879
Robert Gilmore: you there, Rob, yeah, I am.

1153
02:29:02.520 --> 02:29:03.510
Robert Gilmore: Okay.

1154
02:29:03.780 --> 02:29:11.010
Robert Gilmore: Yeah, II support the edits. II have one question. On the the short term residential rental

1155
02:29:11.540 --> 02:29:14.509
Robert Gilmore: language, which was added.

1156
02:29:15.560 --> 02:29:24.940
Robert Gilmore:  barb and and Eva. So e is that intended to prohibit like an Airbnb rental.

1157
02:29:25.520 --> 02:29:26.320
Peter Nagrod: Yes.

1158
02:29:26.770 --> 02:29:27.430
Peter Nagrod: yeah.

1159
02:29:27.530 --> 02:29:28.350
Robert Gilmore: And

1160
02:29:28.470 --> 02:29:39.109
Robert Gilmore: the language says that it's prohibited on any property that includes an accessory dwelling unit. So if it doesn't include accessory dwelling unit.

1161
02:29:39.360 --> 02:29:42.769
Robert Gilmore: you, you can rent out your house.

1162
02:29:42.970 --> 02:29:51.589
Barbara: I think there are other ordances that apply to. That's a good question.

1163
02:29:53.080 --> 02:29:59.180
Eva: Yeah. I mean, we could certainly tweak that just to make it more clear. Where? What section is that in

1164
02:30:00.180 --> 02:30:10.390
Eva: it is in Section 60, yeah. So I mean, we could. Yeah, I see that that that could be seen as confusing. So yeah, we could just

1165
02:30:10.950 --> 02:30:13.119
Eva: say, you know, prohibited

1166
02:30:13.270 --> 02:30:19.910
Eva: in access, I mean, since this is about accessory dwelling units, that it's prohibited accessory dwelling units, I think.

1167
02:30:20.250 --> 02:30:20.940
Yeah.

1168
02:30:21.720 --> 02:30:30.250
John Compton: Now, II don't think that ordinance to say any anything about room rental. It is

1169
02:30:30.300 --> 02:30:35.430
John Compton: by by omission you are allowed to rent your room.

1170
02:30:37.090 --> 02:30:38.549
Eva: Oh, that's okay.

1171
02:30:39.760 --> 02:30:51.729
Eva:  But so I mean, in this case we can just say short term. Residential rental is prohibited in accessory dwelling units and just leave it there. Yeah.

1172
02:30:53.380 --> 02:30:54.080
Peter Nagrod: Hmm.

1173
02:30:57.390 --> 02:31:04.650
John Compton: okay, well, so we'll we'll we'll we'll plan because we plan to act on this on March 20. Fifth. Great.

1174
02:31:04.790 --> 02:31:05.860
John Compton: great job!

1175
02:31:05.970 --> 02:31:12.199
John Compton:  good to see a lot of some consent. Good consensus on

1176
02:31:12.690 --> 02:31:14.040
John Compton: on this.

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02:31:15.210 --> 02:31:19.110
John Compton: Alright, II have a question on

1178
02:31:19.870 --> 02:31:23.820
Joan Mahaffey: Didn't that short term rental issue come up with a better

1179
02:31:23.900 --> 02:31:25.620
Joan Mahaffey: bed and breakfast issue?

1180
02:31:28.210 --> 02:31:33.759
John Compton: Didn't the Council do something when that came up? Right?

1181
02:31:33.900 --> 02:31:35.700
John Compton: So there are there.

1182
02:31:37.880 --> 02:31:39.360
John Compton: Yes, it did

1183
02:31:39.440 --> 02:31:45.360
John Compton: I. I'm not sure II look for short term room rental in our in our ordinance, and didn't find anything.

1184
02:31:45.550 --> 02:31:58.249
John Compton:  let let's come back, Joan. I mean, you're right. Let's come back in March, and and at the March twenty-fifth meeting with an answer concerning

1185
02:31:58.730 --> 02:32:03.820
John Compton: what prevents, you know, short-term rentals in town?

1186
02:32:04.820 --> 02:32:07.400
John Compton:  in general.

1187
02:32:10.310 --> 02:32:18.239
John Compton: Yeah, you can. John wants to know if he can charge his adult son room rent. You can charge him double rent on

1188
02:32:19.120 --> 02:32:23.850
Kathy Lehman:  But but he has to buy a Southern new car.

1189
02:32:24.690 --> 02:32:28.090
John Compton: Right? I have to pay for his own car.

1190
02:32:28.120 --> 02:32:29.240
Kathy Lehman: Yeah.

1191
02:32:29.930 --> 02:32:32.800
John Compton: Alright.

1192
02:32:33.390 --> 02:32:43.089
John Compton: okay. So the next item is the back to the neglected maintenance of properties on which the the closed session

1193
02:32:43.140 --> 02:32:44.989
Kathy Lehman: focused on.

1194
02:32:45.000 --> 02:32:49.949
John Compton: I think, in view of the fact is, 100'clock I'd recommend we we

1195
02:32:50.080 --> 02:33:04.039
John Compton: defer and discussing that since III know the Council is is, would like to create some mechanism, for for

1196
02:33:04.780 --> 02:33:10.040
John Compton: you know, more efficiently dealing with the problem. But tonight may not be the night.

1197
02:33:10.580 --> 02:33:13.560
John Compton:  any objections to deferral.

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02:33:13.860 --> 02:33:15.400
Peter Nagrod: Yeah. Okay.

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02:33:15.660 --> 02:33:20.509
John Compton: Good Alright. Then the next. Any new business?

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02:33:23.090 --> 02:33:23.940
John Compton: Alright.

1201
02:33:24.570 --> 02:33:33.419
John Compton: the regular business. Make a make. Make this correct. The regular business back at the tail of the meeting town Council reports

1202
02:33:34.410 --> 02:33:35.579
John Compton: of note

1203
02:33:35.710 --> 02:33:40.010
John Compton: let me move this where I can look at you guys. Of note.

1204
02:33:40.300 --> 02:33:47.920
John Compton: One was the gateway committee report by Peter. A lot of signs have been taken down around town.

1205
02:33:49.290 --> 02:33:58.729
John Compton: They're going to be replaced. Done day. You can read the report and see all of those that have been have been acted on.

1206
02:33:59.080 --> 02:34:08.199
John Compton: Planning commission. We already handle the recommended against paving the portion of Sixth Avenue.

1207
02:34:08.460 --> 02:34:18.089
John Compton: The website we are a already Christine was already commended hugely for

1208
02:34:18.350 --> 02:34:21.400
John Compton: hosting all the residents.

1209
02:34:21.760 --> 02:34:29.640
John Compton: communications, and all the work she's doing on the web website. Thank you, Christine, again. That's in her report.

1210
02:34:30.120 --> 02:34:40.320
John Compton: The woods report  had a recommendation that came from

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02:34:40.360 --> 02:34:58.030
John Compton: It doesn't matter who it came from. The Woods Committee is. Is supporting, scheduling a master gardener to make a presentation to the town residents about native plants and promoting ecological biodiversity.

1212
02:34:58.250 --> 02:35:04.260
John Compton: To be scheduled either in conjunction with either Earth Day or Arbor Day.

1213
02:35:05.570 --> 02:35:09.039
John Compton: And the other thing I just picked out was that

1214
02:35:09.790 --> 02:35:15.410
John Compton:  was the business. But we've already handled that one

1215
02:35:15.620 --> 02:35:17.250
John Compton: as well. So

1216
02:35:17.650 --> 02:35:23.530
John Compton: anybody else have any comments about their council reports this time.

1217
02:35:26.690 --> 02:35:34.720
John Compton: Okay, if not. We're onto approval of the minutes of the Council meeting. Of February twelfth.

1218
02:35:35.210 --> 02:35:36.970
John Compton: so

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02:35:37.000 --> 02:35:42.260
John Compton: The minutes will come up. Someday soon

1220
02:35:43.900 --> 02:35:46.589
Peter Nagrod: here. I'll make a motion to approve the minutes

1221
02:35:46.630 --> 02:35:49.980
John Compton: Peter is on top of things. Good.

1222
02:35:50.420 --> 02:35:51.470
John Compton: Okay.

1223
02:35:51.730 --> 02:35:58.180
John Compton: So it's been moved and seconded to approve these minutes. Anyone have any comments about the minutes.

1224
02:35:58.310 --> 02:36:00.759
John Compton: corrections, additions, etc.

1225
02:36:04.770 --> 02:36:13.259
John Compton: Okay. Then we'll move to about an approval of the February 12 min, all in favor.

1226
02:36:16.040 --> 02:36:20.769
John Compton: any opposed by the way, I appreciate everybody.

1227
02:36:21.750 --> 02:36:32.479
John Compton: I appreciate everybody appreciating a minutes. Ca, Cath, Kathy does the first draft throws everything on the paper, and then I do spend a pretty

1228
02:36:32.620 --> 02:36:36.379
John Compton: significant amount of time making sure that it

1229
02:36:36.550 --> 02:36:42.350
John Compton: it communicates really the gist of what what the Council was doing.

1230
02:36:42.570 --> 02:36:46.630
John Compton: Perhaps more than other minutes might do, but

1231
02:36:46.670 --> 02:36:50.549
John Compton: but I think it records pretty well with discussions that

1232
02:36:51.570 --> 02:37:00.210
John Compton: underlie a lot of the actions that happen here in town. So I do appreciate this, not having a hassle over the minutes. Thank you.

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02:37:01.300 --> 02:37:06.400
John Compton: Alright, so that brings us to the

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John Compton: next meetings

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John Compton: so mentioned many times, and on March Monday, March 20, fifth, we at 7 30. We're having a time council meeting.

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John Compton: Let's go. Main main out of business will be the budget work session. We've now added action on the adu

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John Compton: ordinance to that meeting. March 20 fifth, 2 weeks. and then oh, now we're on to the April

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John Compton: council meeting. So

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John Compton: if you guys can check your calendar, the suggestion was made to push the the the council meeting

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John Compton: to. I'd prefer the sixteenth Tuesday.

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Peter Nagrod: I'm good either, either day that's good for me.

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John Compton: I actually have a conflict on the Monday. But Tuesday's good. Wednesday is good. Thursdays. Good.

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Eva: Who's

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Eva: yeah, I mean, I'll do whatever I have to rush from Yoga to Council meeting on Tuesdays, but that's fine. I can't do a Wednesday or Thursday, but I can do. Tuesday, Tuesday. Good. Tuesday. Sounds like Tuesday. Great.

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John Compton: Okay. Are you sick? Day

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Kathy Lehman: cat has to go to the vet. No. I go to the beach.

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John Compton: Okay? Alright. Well, well, thank you, Kathy, but alright. So we're rescheduling

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John Compton: for April Tuesday, April sixteenth. Thank you. That's good.  alright. So we're at adjournment.

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Peter Nagrod: great job, everybody

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John Compton: and and and one just to remind everyone the will put onto an agenda.

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John Compton: Maybe in April. If things if the air has cleared the the other race.

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John Compton: Recommendations

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Kathy Lehman: for individual considerations.

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John Compton: Once again. My, my, I'm I'm I'm recommending that they be handled that way just to remind you.

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John Compton: because it takes them seriously. It addresses the merits it allows the Council to

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John Compton: give basic, you know.

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John Compton: legitimate feedback. That we you guys paid attention.

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John Compton: but that you weren't happy for one reason or more reasons. So why don't we do those? As Paul? I thought, Paul suggested. Do those instead of doing 4, do one at a time? Yeah, one at a time.

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Peter Nagrod: So you you're saying at the next meeting, we're gonna do all 4, or at the next meeting, where there seems to be sufficient time. Yeah.

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Peter Nagrod: that we would do all 4 in one meeting.

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John Compton: Well, as many as

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John Compton: yeah, I think he should say we'll vote on each one separately, right?

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Peter Nagrod: So it's not April.

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Paula Puglisi: But I I'm sorry I missed them. It's not could be April. It's hard to see

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John Compton:  That quite that clear could well be April.

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John Compton: Okay. all right. Motion to adjourn.

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Eva: I'll move to adjourn.

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Kathy Lehman: I'm sure everybody

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Kathy Lehman: have mercy!

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John Compton: We heard that!

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Kathy Lehman: Oh, sorry!