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John Compton: Good evening.

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Jeffrey’s iPhone: Anyway.

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Patrice Klein: Hey, Eva, I just sent you a quick email

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Patrice Klein: about your.

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Patrice Klein: It's committee notes. It's not a big deal, but I just wanted to bring it to your attention if you found it.

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Eva Langston Patrone: Oh, yeah, I just saw your email. So I forward it to Kathy. I don't know.

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Patrice Klein: That's fine!

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Eva Langston Patrone: You know. I'm sure she has the right date on the calendar, so it's probably not a big deal, but.

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Patrice Klein: Not a problem.

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Eva Langston Patrone: Sure. Yeah, thanks for pointing that out.

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Patrice Klein: Yeah, my apologies. I skipped over your message. I just.

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Eva Langston Patrone: That's all right.

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Jeffrey’s iPhone: On, up.

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John Compton: Okay, where's Mary?

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Peter Nagrod: Oh, she's here!

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John Compton: Mary is here somewhere, there.

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Kathy Lehman: Can you hear me, John?

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John Compton: Yeah, of course.

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Kathy Lehman: I got a I got a text from Mary.

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Kathy Lehman: let's see. Can't sign in again, signing off and back on.

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Kathy Lehman: so she's having trouble.

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John Compton: Okay. Well, what can I say? He doesn't have a Mac.

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Kathy Lehman: So don't start.

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Kathy Lehman: I'm not with you on that.

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John Compton: First.st

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John Compton: All right. Well, we'll give her this one more chance, and then we can.

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John Compton: I can't say.

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John Compton: Oh, well, hang in.

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Peter Nagrod: Delete it.

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John Compton: Okay,

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John Compton: let me

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John Compton: call the august 12th meeting of the Town Council to order

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John Compton: welcome everybody. Nice to have cooler weather. We should be having this outside.

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John Compton: But here we are.

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Peter Nagrod: Well, how do you know we're not outside? John?

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John Compton: Well, I don't know. Maybe the pictures in your back

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John Compton: coil.

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John Compton: I, on the other hand, am sitting in the middle of Ridge Road.

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John Compton: Right?

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John Compton: Okay. So.

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Kathy Lehman: You still can't get in.

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John Compton: Well, I'm sorry to hear that

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John Compton: I'm just.

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Kathy Lehman: Keeping you updated.

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John Compton: What did I just do?

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Barbara: Her name is on the participants list.

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John Compton: So, but it's yes, she's there, but.

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Barbara: There, but not there.

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John Compton: Right?

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John Compton: Okay?

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John Compton: yeah. Let's move on to approval of the agenda. I distributed the agenda.

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John Compton: in advance.

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John Compton: There's been one.

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John Compton: No, there's been no additions

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John Compton: for changes, and I have a

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John Compton: a motion to approve the agenda.

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Peter Nagrod: I'll make. I'll make a motion to approve the agenda.

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Eva Langston Patrone: I'll second Eva.

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John Compton: Okay, thank you.

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John Compton: Anybody. Have any any discussion about the agenda.

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John Compton: if not all in favor approving the agenda.

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John Compton: Raise your hand.

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John Compton: Mary. Can you hear us?

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John Compton: She's definitely dead in the water still.

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John Compton: okay, the agenda is approved

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John Compton: which brings us to public appearances for tonight.

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John Compton: this is for any resident. Anybody here who wants to say something in 3 min or so on a on a matter that's not otherwise on the agenda. If it is on the agenda. Please let us know, with your hand raised that you have something to say, and

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John Compton: that's the time we will

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John Compton: hear from you. Anybody.

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Mary warfield: You hear me?

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John Compton: Here? Who.

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Mary warfield: Here. I'm on my phone. I don't know why.

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John Compton: We can see you as well, good.

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John Compton: And and, Paul, you're waving at me.

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Paula Puglisi: Yeah.

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Paula Puglisi: I do have a statement to make, and I'm going to read quickly and cut it short, and if I have time I'll add the whole thing. But the whole statement will be in written form.

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Paula Puglisi: So I'll go on and start

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Paula Puglisi: the Racial and Social Equity Committee leadership team, including the non-resident members and the non-resident co-chair of the Lakenfield Work group have demonstrated their commitment to the town, approved goals for race exemplified by the committee's accomplishments which will be attached in the written form.

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Paula Puglisi: We're especially proud of the resolution acknowledging the racially exclusionary past, etc.

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Paula Puglisi: We're grateful for the efforts of Mayor Compton and Councillor Gilmore, and their willingness to consider race recommendations without bias, and to take the stand as leaders. We acknowledge and value the work of those race members who are truly committed to furthering the goals of the resolution. We're also grateful to the 17 town residents who signed letters of support for the work of race. We appreciate all of the residents who have offered encouragement and constructive suggestion.

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Paula Puglisi: In short, we don't feel that the relationship of Rasik and the town is healthy right now.

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Paula Puglisi: There's a disconnect between Rasik and the town government as to how to move forward on the promises in the resolution.

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Paula Puglisi: As a consequence.

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Paula Puglisi: the leadership team of Raceec has decided to become an advocacy group of volunteers independent of the town government.

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Paula Puglisi: We believe this change will help us focus on our core goals of promoting social and racial equity while minimizing the time we spend defending our goals and the means by which we try to achieve them.

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Paula Puglisi: Racic's mission will remain unchanged, and will continue to encourage dialogue, encouragement, and participation in the events and in their work.

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Paula Puglisi: We will be inviting others to join us, and we hope to maintain a respectful and transparent relationship with the town, and to continue working towards a more informed, equitable, and inclusive Washington grove, as stated in the resolution.

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Paula Puglisi: Now I have some other details.

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Paula Puglisi: if

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Paula Puglisi: if you want to hear them, but I we will probably run over time, and they will all be in the written statement that I will submit

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Paula Puglisi: to to be posted on the website.

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Kathy Lehman: And you'll add me to that as well.

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Paula Puglisi: Sure.

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Kathy Lehman: Thank you.

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Paula Puglisi: Well, it'll be when I, when I write to the Mayor and councillors.

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Kathy Lehman: Okay.

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Paula Puglisi: Go to you, right?

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Paula Puglisi: Yeah.

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Kathy Lehman: Thank you.

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John Compton: So, Paula, what what does that mean for the the basic committee.

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Paula Puglisi: Well, the town can choose, and the race of committee can decide. If they want to remain

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Paula Puglisi: a committee that

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Paula Puglisi: works on the same issues, we will still be basic.

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Paula Puglisi: We will still be, have our independent group

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Paula Puglisi: and our logo. But if the town chooses to have another group or residents want to form another group

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Paula Puglisi: with some of those same goals. Of course people are free to do that at any time.

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Paula Puglisi: We'll be inviting people to join us in our independent status.

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John Compton: So, since this is the 1st time hearing about

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John Compton: decision of the of the of the of the leadership group. How many is this out of out of the committee? So the committee doesn't know this. It's just.

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Paula Puglisi: I'm no because of the history of rumors that precede announcements. So no, the the committee doesn't we? Agonized over that decision.

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Paula Puglisi: agonized over who to tell ahead of time, but because of the history of rumor and innuendo that precede a lot of things we do.

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Paula Puglisi: We decided to just announce like this. I'll be calling some people and talking to them after.

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Paula Puglisi: And

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Paula Puglisi: As I said, there are more details I can read more details about

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Paula Puglisi: why the decision was made. They, if you would like.

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John Compton: No, I think I think it would be better for everyone to read it, because I'm sure you put a lot of thought into that, and.

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Paula Puglisi: Yeah.

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John Compton: So it's not possible to

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John Compton: to

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John Compton: you know. Get get all of the the nuance.

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Paula Puglisi: In 3 min.

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John Compton: In 3.

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Paula Puglisi: Got it.

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John Compton: Yeah. So

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John Compton: that sounds like a

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John Compton: significant change. At least the existing committee.

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John Compton: So but any, any counselors have any questions that don't go into you know that you might want to address

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John Compton: Okay, I'll look forward.

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Peter Nagrod: I'm.

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Robert Gilmore: Brief question, was it.

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Paula Puglisi: And.

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Robert Gilmore: Done by a majority of the voting members of the committee.

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Paula Puglisi: I said. That was from the leadership team that we are going to have an independent group.

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Paula Puglisi: The rest of the committee may choose to remain a committee calling themselves something else. That's fine.

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Robert Gilmore: I I understand.

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Peter Nagrod: I I just have a question. I don't understand how I understand what you're saying, Paula and I.

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Paula Puglisi: England.

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Peter Nagrod: Appreciate. You know everything you've done and everything. All that I just don't understand. Racing is an official town committee, that that name, and there's people on that committee. I don't understand how.

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Peter Nagrod: A a A few people within that committee can go and take that name, and then.

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John Compton: Got it? Yeah.

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Peter Nagrod: It seems to me that the committee still exists.

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John Compton: Peter, I'm sorry we can. You can't address that aspect. That's not what this was about. I think.

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Peter Nagrod: Well, excuse me, but I I'm

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Peter Nagrod: oh, Council, I'm asking this. I'm

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Peter Nagrod: I'm just asking this question because this is

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Peter Nagrod: been brought up. Why can't I ask it?

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John Compton: Well, yeah.

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Peter Nagrod: I mean, there's there's how many people are on race.

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John Compton: It was the Leadership group. The committee has not been informed. They're being informed. At the same time we are.

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Peter Nagrod: Yep, I know, but but they're being informed that race the committee no longer exists.

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John Compton: No, that's not.

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Paula Puglisi: No.

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Peter Nagrod: That's yeah. Basic is now owned by this leadership committee. That's what I'm hearing.

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Paula Puglisi: No, we are stepping down as the leadership team of the town

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Paula Puglisi: affiliated committee.

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Peter Nagrod: Right.

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Paula Puglisi: And we are forming our own advocacy group.

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Peter Nagrod: Isaac still exists.

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Paula Puglisi: And work.

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Paula Puglisi: we still exist until.

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Peter Nagrod: That's but that's the thing I just want to be clear on. Who is we.

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Paula Puglisi: Okay.

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Peter Nagrod: And.

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Paula Puglisi: Day.

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Peter Nagrod: He who's who who owns the name, race it so all the people who are on race it, who aren't on the leadership no longer belong

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Peter Nagrod: to a nice.

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Paula Puglisi: Founders, the founders. You all can debate that I don't care.

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Peter Nagrod: Okay. Okay.

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Paula Puglisi: But but the founders actually decided the name.

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Paula Puglisi: and we got our own logo.

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Paula Puglisi: So I feel that we own it. But you know what you all can debate, that.

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Peter Nagrod: Okay, yeah, I just, I just wanted to get a little clear on that. Thank you. Because I know we have a lot more. I understand.

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Paula Puglisi: Yeah, I mean the current existing membership. Cannot, you know vote on a new leadership team? If they want, you know, or they can dissolve, I mean, that's up to them. we will be calling people and talking about.

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Peter Nagrod: Okay. Okay.

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Paula Puglisi: Ago.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah. Thanks.

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John Compton: Okay, thank you, Paul. Anybody else something to hear and

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John Compton: bring up.

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John Compton: Not.

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Peter Nagrod: Just as a resident, not as a as not as a counselor.

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Peter Nagrod: Most of the Shakers of the town are on this meeting tonight. And I'm just requesting, on behalf of the Rec committee that people think about helping us out and volunteering for the upcoming Labor Day event.

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Peter Nagrod: Okay, we have a lot of people I'm looking at already, have. But if if you're thinking about it, we'd love to have a little bit more help.

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Peter Nagrod: Okay.

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Peter Nagrod: I'm done, John.

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John Compton: Yeah.

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Jeffrey’s iPhone: All right.

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John Compton: Thank you anyone else.

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John Compton: Alright! We'll go on to the treasurer's report.

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John Compton: Gene is here. This is the 1st month of the New year.

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John Compton: I will

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John Compton: show it, Gene.

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Jean Moyer: Yeah, there's not much to say. It being the 1st month, you'll notice there's no property tax listed on here. I am not. I don't receive a report from the county

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Jean Moyer: for July until after August 16.th There's always a lag there, so there's no property tax to and dwelling tax on this report because of that.

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Jean Moyer: The only other thing I just as sort of a

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Jean Moyer: ongoing heads up the utilities because we now have the community solar

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Jean Moyer: there's not a steady pattern like I've been used to with utilities.

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Jean Moyer: We're getting very small bills for the lake and the garage.

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Jean Moyer: the Town Halls. Pepco account is about

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Jean Moyer: 200 in credit.

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Jean Moyer: so we're not paying anything to Pepco for the Hall.

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Jean Moyer: The Community Solar Company sky View. There's a lag time between when they give me the invoices for a certain month. It can be as much as 2 to 3 months later. So

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Jean Moyer: There's no sky view expenses recorded in July, because it'll take a few months to get that. So we are always going to see some wacky patterns with the electricity. Just want to put that out there. Other than that. I do not have any comments, because there's very little on here being the 1st month.

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Jean Moyer: any questions.

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Jean Moyer: hearing none.

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John Compton: Okay. Then.

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Jean Moyer: I am done!

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John Compton: Motion to accept the treasurer's report.

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John Compton: Peter, you're you're silent.

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Eva Langston Patrone: I'll move to accept the treasurer's report.

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John Compton: Okay.

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Peter Nagrod: Seconded. I got my voice back.

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John Compton: Okay, darn, I can't. I can. I can't mute you.

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Eva Langston Patrone: Sometimes I can't find the unmute fast enough.

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John Compton: Okay. All in favor accepting the July treasurer's report. Then

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John Compton: All right, do we lose? There's Mary you keep. You keep falling off the top of my screen, Mary.

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John Compton: all right. So also, under the treasurer's report. Is the next item, which

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John Compton: is, is a request from the Film Society concerning the fees they have been charging

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John Compton: for. Each of each showing during the year, and I think we have Bob christen here to explain what their request is. Bob.

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Robert Christin: Thanks, John.

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Robert Christin: so in the past. And by the past I mean before Covid.

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Robert Christin: we were getting around 25 people to come to a film.

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Robert Christin: and we charged like $7 at the door, or $5 if you bought a subscription, and we're pretty much breaking even

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Robert Christin: most of the time. We'll get like the 6 or 7 members of the steering committee, and then 2 or 3 other people.

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Robert Christin: Now, we pretty much broke even last season, because a lot of people bought

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Robert Christin: So we're a little perplexed at what's happening here and

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Robert Christin: we'd like to try an experiment and see if we can build back our audience. Somehow

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Robert Christin: we thought, is, is the are people not coming because

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Robert Christin: they don't want to pay to see the film. Are they not coming? Because they? Everybody's used to streaming now, and they'd rather see it at home.

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Robert Christin: So we'd just like to try and see what happens if we just waive the fees for this year and see if we can build back our audience.

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Robert Christin: If it turns out that people aren't interested in having a film society. And then the people who are interested can just watch a film together and have their own discussion without paying for distribution rights.

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Robert Christin: so that's that's kind of where we are. Mimi, do you? Did you have anything to add?

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Mimi Bolotin: Yeah, I just wanted to say that this season we're we're we're trying some new things. We're gonna

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Mimi Bolotin: We may experiment with

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Mimi Bolotin: having announcing a film for people to stream at home and then get together socially at some chosen house in order to discuss the film. So so we are experimenting a little bit this this year.

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Mimi Bolotin: we're and we're grateful for the support from the town all along, because, you know, we've always been in the budget, but we've always been able to pay back at least 90% of what we

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Mimi Bolotin: we were asking for.

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Mimi Bolotin: But we really want to see if we can attract people.

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Peter Nagrod: How much money are we talking about?

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Robert Christin: $1,000,

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John Compton: Right. So the the I guess the the request is that

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John Compton: Well, the the film society has been allotted.

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John Compton: I I guess it's a thousand. I'm sorry if I.

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Jean Moyer: Yeah. The budget says it's 1,200 in revenue and expenses that it was a wash. Yeah.

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John Compton: So this would be a straight cost to the town

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John Compton: for this year as a as a trial year.

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John Compton: to see to assess what the interest is in continuing

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John Compton: I'll ask for any comments of the Council, and then we'll

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John Compton: I'm just Nicole Stick.

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John Compton: So anybody

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Peter Nagrod: Have you guys thought about doing

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Peter Nagrod: like instead of just going the whole season with nobody attending.

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Peter Nagrod: try it with maybe just a couple. And if then, if you see the attendance increasing.

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Peter Nagrod: you know, having 5 or 6 people showing up again, and just doing that throughout the entire season.

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Peter Nagrod: Have you looked at something like that.

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Robert Christin: You mean, just like, have the 1st couple of films be free, and then see if people are coming back.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah, see if it see if that works instead of doing it for the entire year.

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Peter Nagrod: Or, yeah.

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Robert Christin: I we hadn't thought about that. I mean that I guess we could. Usually we put out the flyer, and we say, you know, here's what it costs to come.

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Robert Christin: I I'm not sure how we'd word the flyer. The 1st 2 are free, and then we'll see, or something. I I.

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Peter Nagrod: Okay, yeah, I see.

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Robert Christin: I don't know how we market it, but.

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Eva Langston Patrone: I have a question, have you? Is it

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Eva Langston Patrone: for residents? A certain fee, and like, How have you done it in the past residents versus non residents. And have you really marketed it outside of town? Cause I can imagine that maybe you know you market it outside of town you might get more people. But

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Eva Langston Patrone: I don't know. I'm just curious.

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Robert Christin: We have not marketed it outside of town.

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Eva Langston Patrone: So I I don't know if that's something you want to consider.

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Eva Langston Patrone: If if the interest is just to get more people involved.

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Robert Christin: 8 o'clock.

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Mimi Bolotin: The the one of the problems is that we're not really permitted to advertise it. Outside of town. We have had people bring friends, for example, for that town. That's fine. But the the rental agreements or the the public performance rights agreements

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Mimi Bolotin: don't allow you to advertise that.

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Eva Langston Patrone: Oh, I see. Okay, that makes sense.

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Mimi Bolotin: You're a small municipality advertising it just in town.

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Eva Langston Patrone: I see. Okay.

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marywarfield: So. So if you have it for free, and nobody comes well, that might eliminate for you the idea that it's about money.

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marywarfield: and it's some other, some other issue.

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Mimi Bolotin: Right? And we're switching nights or weekends. Yeah, yeah.

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marywarfield: I mean 1 1 at a time to figure out.

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Eva Langston Patrone: I would imagine. Maybe it's comfort like you said people are used to watching things in their own house. So yeah, I don't know.

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Robert Christin: It could be. It could be that the time has come. You know that it's it's

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Peter Nagrod: And.

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Robert Christin: But we'd like to know? I mean, it's been around for 25 years. We'd like to

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Robert Christin: be sure, before we pull the plug. Yeah.

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Eva Langston Patrone: No, I think it makes sense to offer it for free. And see if, yeah, see if money is the issue, or if there's some other issue, or and see if the timing is the issue, or that that makes sense to me.

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Robert Christin: We did a survey. Yes, people do. They think it's important to have a film society, and you know they all said yes. But then then they didn't call.

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marywarfield: So maybe the idea of having people being able to watch it. But then, having what you do, everybody get together to discuss it. So not necessarily sitting and watching it yourself.

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marywarfield: Stream it, and then you can continue the Film Society in that way to have the discussion. But you don't have to come to this. You know the certain place to watch the movie.

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Eva Langston Patrone: Yeah, it could almost be like a book club, right? Like, you watch the movie. And then you all get together to discuss it.

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Robert Christin: Probably what would happen if if this doesn't work.

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Peter Nagrod: You were. Yeah, do you really think that money would be an issue in the grove? For you know, for the.

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marywarfield: Can you imagine?

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah, I can't see that as being the issue.

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Robert Christin: Probably not, but I'd like to see if we can get people to come back somehow, and if they don't, then we'll

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Robert Christin: we'll deal with it.

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Peter Nagrod: Well, have you tried the 3 Stooges.

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Robert Christin: Right.

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Robert Christin: you know.

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John Compton: Like peter would be there every every night.

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Robert Christin: We haven't, we may. We may have to resort to that.

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Kathy Lehman: But a Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoon.

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John Compton: Well, okay, any other comments?

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John Compton: My personally, you know, the the amount of revenue that is being foregone here isn't large.

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John Compton: and I think the

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John Compton: history of the Film Society and

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John Compton: the current. The current organizers are certainly played a big role in the history are very responsible regarding this activity. They've been committed to the idea of group viewing and discussion.

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John Compton: So I'm inclined to to accept their proposal

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Peter Nagrod: Tonight.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah, I I agree with John. I think that the level of effort that this committee has put into

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Peter Nagrod: supporting the grove in this artistic effort is tremendous, and

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Peter Nagrod: a thousand dollars is, I think, a show of support on the council of those efforts, whether it works or not.

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Peter Nagrod: So I would make the motion to approve

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Peter Nagrod: for this year doing this test of

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Peter Nagrod: sponsoring the Film Society.

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Eva Langston Patrone: I'll second that motion.

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John Compton: Any further discussion.

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John Compton: all in favor of that motion.

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John Compton: All right. Great. You're opposed. Bro. Sorry.

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John Compton: Were you in favor, Rob?

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Robert Gilmore: I I'm I'm opposed and I like the films. I I like films. I like film society, but it just seems a tough sell to say to the town. So few of you are supporting the town that the the Film Society, that we want you all to

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Robert Gilmore: be forced to pay to support it.

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Robert Gilmore: I just

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Robert Gilmore: sorry I don't that that doesn't.

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John Compton: Wait! Wait! I'm just.

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Robert Gilmore: A compelling argument to me.

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John Compton: I'm sorry I didn't understand what you were.

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John Compton: Exactly what.

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Robert Gilmore: The the basic ask that so few of the people in town support the society

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Robert Gilmore: that the only way it can be sustained is, if

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Robert Gilmore: the Town Council forces people to spend their tax money

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Robert Gilmore: to sustain it

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Robert Gilmore: doesn't seem like it's a

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Robert Gilmore: doesn't seem a compelling argument to me.

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Robert Gilmore: and it's nothing against the Film Society or the people in in the Film Society. I like film. I like the people in the Film Society.

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Robert Gilmore: that's all. That's when I posted.

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John Compton: All right. So the vote was 5 to one.

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John Compton: to drop the admission fees for the year, and you know, see how it goes.

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John Compton: Thank you.

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Mimi Bolotin: Thank you.

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John Compton: Alright. We move on to my report or my announcements.

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John Compton: 1st off the kudos

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John Compton: There were several big volunteer efforts ongoing volunteer efforts, and you know I don't mention all of them where residents of you know, and various have taken on various

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John Compton: The other one was the Meadow Committee Volunteers, who, I guess, had their second outing. With the Weed warrior in the weed contributing the Weed warrior program with a a county

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John Compton: All right. We got a bunch of announcements Labor Day weekend events it was in the tentative plan was in the Bulletin.

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John Compton: Events will run from August Friday evening, August 30, th through Sunday, September first, st

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John Compton: and in the council reports the wreck under the wreck. I think that's Barbara.

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Eva Langston Patrone: No, it's me, Eva!

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John Compton: I'm sorry it's Eva there's some more details. But of note. Is that

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John Compton: peter wanted to run in a 3 k foot race, so

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John Compton: so that's a a new event for this year.

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Eva Langston Patrone: And and, John it will. There will be an event on Monday. Pickleball will be on Monday, but the.

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John Compton: That's right. That's right.

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Eva Langston Patrone: Outlook will be on Sunday evening.

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John Compton: Right.

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Eva Langston Patrone: But yeah, sorry, that's all. You're correct.

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Eva Langston Patrone: Well, you you can talk to Peggy, cause she. She has a very strong feelings about it. But

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Eva Langston Patrone: We decided to not do it this year because of it's just such a huge undertaking. As far as volunteers, and we are really bare bones on the rec committee right now and

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Eva Langston Patrone: and there just was not very much interest in it last year, and we were told by Joey and Alison that if we needed to cut something that was the thing to cut, because it took so much planning and so many volunteers, and they said it was really poorly attended last year and the the previous year. So I mean, we can always bring it back. I know Peggy would love that. And if other people, wanna

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Eva Langston Patrone: Come, join the Rec. Committee, and express their interest in bringing it back next year. But yeah, we're not going to do it this year.

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John Compton: So I I don't often make any have anything to say about the

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John Compton: and you know, assess the participation in advance. And I think if you've got participation

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John Compton: you get, that's the 1st requirement, and the second one would be, do we have enough volunteers to, you know. You know, patrol the roads, the intersections. What have you to to carry it off? Maybe maybe that would

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John Compton: either generate either either put the, you know, bury the event

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John Compton: with data, with actual data, or or maybe revive it. So I know that's an effort. But the Rec. Committee has had did have a a poll on

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John Compton: events

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John Compton: this year, and I see no reason why not to have one of those, perhaps regularly just to

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John Compton: to, and and that that poll can require names, so you can reach out to the people who are enthusiastic to put their, you know. Put some time

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John Compton: on it, if at all possible.

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John Compton: Yeah, do you.

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Peter Nagrod: John. Part of our decision was last year we had the bike race and a we had races, and actually nobody showed up.

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Peter Nagrod: you know and adding tubing to that is not gonna

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Peter Nagrod: well, we can, we just making we can do it next year. Of course it was an amazing event. What we found is that the world has changed a lot in the last. I mean, I don't think we've done a try. Real triathlon in like 10 years, you know. It used to be absolutely incredible, but the world has changed, and people just, you know, don't want to commit an entire weekend, you know, 3 3 days to, you know, doing it, you know. There's just too many other things that are.

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John Compton: I.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah.

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John Compton: And I'm not saying that you're not absolutely spot on with.

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John Compton: Yeah, participation.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah, but but but but we'll do the survey next year. It'll be interesting to prove you wrong. So that would be good.

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John Compton: Okay, make it a

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John Compton: oh, John, wrong? Yes.

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John Compton: it it could be the 1st time.

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John Compton: alright

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John Compton: let's move along. I want I want to report on the status of a road repaving

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John Compton: anybody who was around town today would have seen some signs that Mt. Laney put out that they will be doing the road work that we have contracted for

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John Compton: on Wednesday and on Friday.

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John Compton: leaving Thursday for our refuse and recycling pickup. So we don't have any interference there. There's about 9 locations around town

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John Compton: where they will be working and controlling traffic, etc.

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John Compton: The stormwater infrastructure!

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John Compton: Maintenance.

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John Compton: contract Rfp. The council held the 1st interview of of biohabitats, a bidder in a closed session on July 30, th at a special town council meeting.

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John Compton: The other bidder. Smi Environmental will make their presentation at a closed meeting tomorrow night

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John Compton: at a special

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John Compton: town council meeting is just to remind everybody the the meetings

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John Compton: will open as an will will start as an open meeting.

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John Compton: and the meeting will then will will likely be closed to hear from Smi environmental. The meeting will then be reopened.

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John Compton: at the moment. There's no other

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John Compton: items on the agenda other than the stormwater infrastructure maintenance. Rfp.

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John Compton: I distributed that agenda

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John Compton: to the Council, and I think on the listserv as well earlier today.

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John Compton: The shared use pathway liaison committee report

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John Compton: man. I think I forgot to put it in the materials.

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John Compton: So that report is basically a status report from the

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John Compton: Mcdot on where they're the design

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John Compton: progress on on the engineering design. They are working toward a man. They, the required mandatory referral to the planning board

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John Compton: which they had hoped to be in October

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John Compton: to get there they had to get some approvals, some some permits

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John Compton: from Wssc. Because the pathway

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John Compton: crosses Wssc. Right of way

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John Compton: as well as the Parks Parks department, because but most all of it all of it of the pathway. Washington Connector is on Park property other than a bit on down

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John Compton: plan

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John Compton: and I think they've

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John Compton: acquired both of those, but they they remain to have some sort of environmental

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John Compton: they. They were requested to provide additional data, so as soon as they have all of that they'll they'll make. They'll ask the Planning Board to schedule the mandatory Review.

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John Compton: That information will be forthcoming.

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John Compton: and

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John Compton: the mandatory review will precede. Will

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John Compton: hopefully go smoothly, and the continued engineering

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John Compton: we'll proceed

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John Compton: to ultimately to construction whether that's

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John Compton: in the spring, late spring

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John Compton: or moves into into 20 fiscal, 2026 remains to be seen.

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John Compton: I don't think there was anything else to report

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John Compton: on that on the Washington Grove Connector.

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John Compton: However, we also have shared. Use pathway that Gaithersburg has been planning the Gaithersburg

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John Compton: Old town, Washington Grove

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John Compton: pathway.

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John Compton: Gaithersburg received a a

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John Compton: a Maryland State highway administration grant to

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John Compton: to

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John Compton: complete design engineering

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John Compton: of that pathway.

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John Compton: And so they are continue to move forward on that, reminding everyone that included in their plans is the

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John Compton: stretch. In in town, between the commercial.

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John Compton: between the intersection of railroad and

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John Compton: Diamond and Washington Grove Lane and Brown Street.

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John Compton: So we are going to

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John Compton: be pursuing, we need to we. The current plan requires a

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John Compton: calls for a bit of private property of the commercial corner to be used as part of the pathway.

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John Compton: and that we have have already approached the property owner.

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John Compton: and we'll hope to that that easement can be acquired smoothly.

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John Compton: Let's see

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John Compton: the last thing I do I should mention here.

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John Compton: No, I won't mention here. Forget.

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John Compton: So that was the old time I gave Washington Grove Pathway project.

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John Compton: Next item is another announcement,

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John Compton: district 39, State delegate, our State delegate, Gabriel Acevero

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John Compton: requested, and has scheduled a what he is calling a State of the district

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John Compton: 39. Event at Mccatherine Hall on October 19.th

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John Compton: This is a public event. The theme of the event! The the event.

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John Compton: It will have a theme which is environmental justice.

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John Compton: Which will be addressed in several ways. I'm not certain on the program. I think anybody's certain of what the program will be. They're asking. They're they're requesting a a speaker from the State

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John Compton: Department of the Environment on this and others. So that will be on October 19.th That's a Saturday.

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Barbara: John, I have a question about that. So I assume they're going to be responsible for publicity for people outside of Washington Grove as well right they they. This isn't just for Grovers, right.

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John Compton: That's correct. Okay.

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Barbara: Okay, and what time is it.

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John Compton: I'm not sure what the time is now.

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Barbara: Okay.

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John Compton: And.

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Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Starts starts at 11.

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John Compton: Oh, okay.

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Barbara: Thank you.

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John Compton: Okay.

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John Compton: Next next thing to report on is the planned energy audit of Mccatherine Hall.

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John Compton: It's just an Fyi that the Sustainability Committee has

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John Compton: has

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John Compton: contacted and is scheduling.

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John Compton: rescheduling, and rescheduling an energy audit of Mccatherine Hall to determine to determine what the status of of

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John Compton: of

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John Compton: you know energy loss and use at the Hall, obviously to see what what recommendations might be forthcoming.

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John Compton: With respect to all the aspects of heating, cooling, and energy use of the hull.

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John Compton: One of those, by the way, one of those

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John Compton: issues

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John Compton: which I had discussed with Bob Bohr.

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John Compton: chair of the Sustainability Committee

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John Compton: was the the suggestion that we re-examine

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John Compton: air conditioning the main hall after the very the heat wave

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John Compton: that that basically made it very, very uncomfortable to utilize the whole. We do air condition, the council rooms

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John Compton: and the office. But we don't. Don't do the hall

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John Compton: and

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John Compton: That question will also be asked. But,

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John Compton: there is a fundamental problem.

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John Compton: air conditioning the main hall, and that that has to do with the large volume. 1st of all, the large number of windows, all of which are not insulated glass or

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John Compton: energy, say energy.

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John Compton: barrier glass, the lack of ducks of any kind, and

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John Compton: The fact that the hall is not used

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John Compton: for all that many hours

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John Compton: a day.

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John Compton: on the average.

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John Compton: all year.

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John Compton: It's actually used very few hours.

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John Compton: So the expense is a factor.

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John Compton: both in preparing the hall to to make possible air conditioning, and then the actual energy costs

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John Compton: to maintain

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John Compton: the

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John Compton: the the air conditioning. That's not to say it's impossible, but it will be addressed.

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John Compton: but not in in detail.

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John Compton: for the reasons.

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John Compton: Most of which I think I've named

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John Compton: just just a moment ago.

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John Compton: Okay.

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John Compton: next I want. I do want to report on the the subcommittee that the Council approved on maintenance of unoccupied properties.

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John Compton: The committee has already met and has is working on.

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John Compton: on proposing

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John Compton: what any, any changes to our ordinances, and also proposing throughout hopefully some procedures that the council and mayor can use to address

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John Compton: on occupied properties that have maintenance issues.

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John Compton: Last item I just want to mention is the parliamentary education that the Council approved. The the

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John Compton: you know, training in Robert's rules of order.

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John Compton: Last month. Barbara, of course, has spearheaded that and

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John Compton: after the the session, as that has now been scheduled for Sunday, October 13.th

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John Compton: For myself, the town councillors and

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John Compton: all of the chairs of the various committees in town.

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John Compton: were also invited, if they cared to attend

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John Compton: as well.

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John Compton: So it's Sunday, October 13.th It's a 3 h session

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John Compton: in lemon.

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Barbara: And right, and it starts at 9, 9 to 12.

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John Compton: All right. That's the end of my report.

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John Compton: Many questions

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John Compton: don't know

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John Compton: alrighty I had one administrative matter that.

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John Compton: looking at the agenda, I felt we might actually.

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Robert Gilmore: Both.

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John Compton: You know, not go till midnight. So I stuck this one in, and the Council.

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John Compton: I hope, will agree to discuss this which we had, which we had decided to defer

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John Compton: from from January, when we did have

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John Compton: our our ice and snow day

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John Compton: or days, and that is the town's policy on snow removal.

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John Compton: The

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John Compton: you know. Nobody had seen snow or ice

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John Compton: in a few years around town, and the this winter we definitely had it, and it failed to melt

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John Compton: quickly, and there were many a bunch of resident

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John Compton: questions and and concerns that

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John Compton: certain areas of our roads remained icy

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John Compton: and it was. It was hazardous, perilous to drive. You had to drive carefully

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John Compton: on those sections, and

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John Compton: of course the town's current policy

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John Compton: established

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John Compton: a whole bunch of years ago. Now

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John Compton: was to not use salt

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John Compton: in treating our roads

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John Compton: to during during snow and or ice.

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John Compton: and the

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John Compton: so we don't use salt.

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John Compton: which, of course, lowers the the freezing

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John Compton: bridge in point raises freezing point. Sorry, and

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John Compton: lowers the freezing point so that ice melts quicker.

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John Compton: but we also our our current contractor, which is, as it turns out, the Rj landscapers.

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John Compton: No longer have the capability.

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John Compton: They haven't for a while

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John Compton: to utilize a sand sand

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John Compton: distribution. And there are some reasons for that. It's not simply because they

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John Compton: don't like sand. It's it's it's difficult to maintain sand for use during freezing temperatures.

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John Compton: And you you need. You need to have it

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John Compton: unfrozen and available. So they, in brief, they don't use it. They don't do it.

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John Compton: So the question for the Council is in revisiting our policy. Do we want to

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John Compton: higher engage?

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John Compton: A a contractor who will distribute sand.

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John Compton: and if so, if if that is the decision, we will have to find a way of making, that we may have to find a way of making that possible, such as storing it here.

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John Compton: Washington Grove in in a in a manner that it can be used

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John Compton: as needed, that is, it won't freeze or get wet. And and

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John Compton: we had a problem.

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John Compton: okay. So the current policy is no, so is is no salt.

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John Compton: which, of course.

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John Compton: addresses melting pretty well.

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John Compton: And we haven't been

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John Compton: been having sand either, distributed.

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John Compton: So what.

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Eva Langston Patrone: So right now, we're basically doing nothing. It's snow.

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John Compton: It's part.

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Eva Langston Patrone: It's plowed. Okay?

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John Compton: And if you plow it it only

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John Compton: we're depending on the temperature to melt

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John Compton: any any ice that forms overnight during the day. And

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John Compton: obviously, if we had multiple snowstorms one after the other, that would not work.

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John Compton: But the fact is that in

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John Compton: recent times, as in the last, probably 5, 7 years.

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John Compton: There have been very few times where ice has remained

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John Compton: a problem.

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John Compton: yeah.

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Peter Nagrod: You know, when Steve was when Steve was doing it.

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Peter Nagrod: was there ever a problem? I don't remember there ever being like a problem like there was this year when Steve was doing it is, am I incorrect?

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John Compton: No, you're correct, because he kept

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John Compton: a salt, a sand.

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John Compton: He kept sand.

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John Compton: It was in the in the garage

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John Compton: out, so it didn't get wet, and therefore never froze

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John Compton: right. It could, in fact, be loaded. Of course there was some effort to load it

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John Compton: from there and and distribute it. But yes, I think you're correct.

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Peter Nagrod: Steve, Steve told me that, like I think we all know that

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Peter Nagrod: it was. Probably there was only like really a handful of places around the grove that were even a problem this year. And Steve. So Steve didn't put sand everywhere. He just knew he knew where it was. And I'm just just wondering if we actually

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Peter Nagrod: talk to Rj. About, you know, kind of doing what Steve did in the past.

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Peter Nagrod: because it seemed to me in my conversations with Rj. And Steve that they thought they were really limited in what they could do within the growth.

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Peter Nagrod: So I just wondering if we had that conversation, because it's

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Peter Nagrod: you know. Rj, is very positive about taking care of our situation. So

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Peter Nagrod: you know I would. I would suggest that we maybe have one more conversation with them, based on what we experienced this year.

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John Compton: Well, we can certainly do that. I had that conversation with them

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John Compton: this winter.

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Peter Nagrod: Okay. Yeah.

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John Compton: And they were.

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John Compton: Kim Quinn was

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John Compton: very unenthusiastic.

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John Compton: That's 1 way to put it. Yeah.

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John Compton: about

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John Compton: about doing a run with sand.

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John Compton: We need a separate truck.

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John Compton: You know he has to divert people from, you know, plowing elsewhere. It needs to be timed correctly, because if you put it down and

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John Compton: you get more snow, you, you know it does nothing.

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Peter Nagrod: I'm basically, I'm just saying.

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John Compton: Plow it out of there, you know.

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Peter Nagrod: Well do we want? Do we? Do we want to sand all the streets, or do we want to do what Steve did, and just do

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Peter Nagrod: the the spots that we know are gonna be a be a problem.

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John Compton: Of course, of course, we would only do the the problem areas.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah, yeah. Because if if Jim knew that, I would think that he'd be more oh and more interested. But anyway.

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Peter Nagrod: we can. We can deal, we can deal with this one. In a few more months.

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John Compton: So, of course. Okay, so definitely, I can have that conversation with him. Now we we signed an annual contract which has been with rj.

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John Compton: it's like for $4,000. It doesn't need to be bid.

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John Compton: And we've used fraction of that. We even used a fraction of that like this this past year.

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John Compton: So

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John Compton: which has been convenient

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John Compton: for for everyone, so certainly have that conversation in advance of the contract for the coming winter.

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John Compton: But you know there's no guarantee that he would

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John Compton: feel good about doing the way we pay. Jim is pretty much

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John Compton: we pay for his

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John Compton: the time.

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John Compton: because he doesn't distribute salt, and he doesn't distribute sand. So it's only a matter of

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John Compton: the time his crew spends here in Washington.

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Eva Langston Patrone: I have a question how I know the reason we don't use the salt is because it's I'm guessing bad for the environment. How how bad is it? Especially if we're only if we were only to use it in small areas.

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Eva Langston Patrone: small problem areas.

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Eva Langston Patrone: I mean, I guess that's my question is, should we revisit? I I hear all the problems with using sand. So do we need to revisit the potential of using salt

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Eva Langston Patrone: cause? I don't. I don't know. I I assume that it's bad, but I don't know the details of of what it does and how bad it is.

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Peter Nagrod: That's salt. They have that new, as we all know. They have that new de-IC chemical

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Peter Nagrod: that the county uses on all the streets.

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Peter Nagrod: and maybe that that's not as bad. I don't know. I don't know anything about it, but maybe that's something we could look into is prepping our those areas with that type of chemical.

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Eva Langston Patrone: Right cause. Then you put it down beforehand, like when the forecast is calling for it, and then you avoid the patches of ice. In the 1st place.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah.

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Eva Langston Patrone: I I don't know. I'm just suggesting. Maybe that's something else to research.

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Eva Langston Patrone: Yeah. But.

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Dennis Kirschbaum: The stuff that they prepare the roads with before it actually snows and ices is salt mixed with beet juice.

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Paula Puglisi: And.

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Dennis Kirschbaum: It's a liquid.

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Dennis Kirschbaum: I don't know that we would be able to afford having a liquid applied to our roads beforehand. The salt itself is bad for water quality, and it kills plants. And that was pretty much the reason the town has decided not to be using salt for years and years and years.

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Dennis Kirschbaum: It eventually makes it into waterways, and it will

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Dennis Kirschbaum: kill

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Dennis Kirschbaum: all.

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Dennis Kirschbaum: It basically is harmful to plants along roadways.

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Eva Langston Patrone: Okay, well, I want.

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John Compton: Let me just offer my view on that

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John Compton: which most of you could anticipate. Maybe.

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John Compton: but I'm not aware of any of our roadways showing any

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John Compton: material effect

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John Compton: on the days we use salt.

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John Compton: all right. I you know there wasn't a lack of vegetation. The weeds grew just fine, the bushes grew just fine. There was no diebacks that I'm aware of, so I and mine is just the memory thing we can consult others for what they they recall

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John Compton: but what Tom said about the the salt and and chemical being

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John Compton: bad for for bodies of water. Certainly the Chesapeake has suffered

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John Compton: from this, where most of the salt will.

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John Compton: What could end up?

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John Compton: Obviously.

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John Compton: End up in lakes and elsewhere before that

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John Compton: and there has been a big push to reduce the

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John Compton: the

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John Compton: The those sorts of chemicals from entering the environment elsewhere. So I I guess I'm on. My opinion is I didn't. I don't believe it was affecting the town per se, but

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John Compton: because we are very environmentally conscious. And

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John Compton: you know.

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audreymaskery: John, this is this is Audrey speaking.

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Dave Cosson: Yeah. John.

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audreymaskery: This is Audrey speaking.

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audreymaskery: I'm just going to say to you, that depends how enthusiastic you salt the roads

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audreymaskery: which we all know that the the lorries that go up and down Washington Grove Lane, etc, etc, extremely enthusiastic about dropping salt left, right, and center, or chemical as far as the sand is concerned, it is extremely difficult

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audreymaskery: to take it out of the maintenance shed and load it up into the distributor. That's where the problem lies. And that's why Steve found it difficult at times. Okay.

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Dave Cosson: Ask.

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audreymaskery: That's just me.

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audreymaskery: Bye.

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Dave Cosson: Okay, John, I can also add that Isaac Walton League located not far from town, has done a lot of research on this and and have a lot so

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Dave Cosson: published materials about the arm. And it's basically what it goes into the watershed. And first, st we're at the top of 3 watersheds.

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Dave Cosson: So it's the downstream harm from from the salt. And say, Isaac Walton has has been on top of can provide detailed information that was needed

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Dave Cosson: right.

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John Compton: So that's the answer to your suggestion. Eva. It is. It's a it's a.

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John Compton: you know. It's basically

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John Compton: you know, agreeing that

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John Compton: you know.

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John Compton: even our small contribution is

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John Compton: is not a not the right way to go with.

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Eva Langston Patrone: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

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Eva Langston Patrone: and I'm you know, I mean it.

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Eva Langston Patrone: I'm not advocating that we you saw. I'll just say one other thing, which is that I do recall. When we were getting all the ice and snow. I had at least several people tell me that they wanted the town to discuss the snow removal, because

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Eva Langston Patrone: it was more, not even so much about the cars. It was about people walking and slipping, and I had several people tell me that they were, you know, having trouble with even just walking around town. And so I'm just passing that information along. They may not be here on the call. But there were people coming to me saying that they they wanted something different to be done. So

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Eva Langston Patrone: it doesn't necessarily mean salt, maybe, just, you know, figuring out

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Eva Langston Patrone: a different solution. So.

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Peter Nagrod: Well, in the old days

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Peter Nagrod: when I 1st moved here, I think all of us remember they used to have a bucket of sand right when you go up, when you go up.

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Kathy Lehman: At all the intersections.

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Peter Nagrod: Right at the intersections I always like looked at that and goes. What's that there for coming from New York, where everything was taken care of.

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Peter Nagrod: So maybe that's the solution. We have to go to the Home Depot and buy a few buckets.

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Kathy Lehman: Yeah.

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Peter Nagrod: And then go to the lake and take some sand. We'll be all set.

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Peter Nagrod: Okay. We got it fixed, John.

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John Compton: Well, okay, so unless anybody has any further suggestions.

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John Compton: let let me reach out to Rj and have a really really detailed discussion as to

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John Compton: whether or not they would agree to.

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John Compton: He would agree to devote manpower

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John Compton: to distributing salt sand, not salt sand

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John Compton: to our our problem areas.

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John Compton: I'm 99% certain that we would have to stockpile the salt.

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Peter Nagrod: Sand.

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John Compton: And that part of the expense will be

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John Compton: loading

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John Compton: the the salt, did I say salt the sand, the sand will be the expense of putting that into some sort of distributor, which I'm not even sure he has.

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John Compton: so we might have to come up with a sand spreader

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John Compton: as well where you.

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Kathy Lehman: Has that.

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John Compton: Well, he certainly had that, but maybe he uses it elsewhere, but he says he doesn't do it.

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John Compton: so others may do it. I mean it's just because he doesn't, doesn't mean there isn't somebody who would.

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John Compton: It's a matter of finding them and paying for it. So

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John Compton: let me start with rj, and report back and we, we can continue this as as

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John Compton: depending on what

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John Compton: what we find.

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John Compton: All right.

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John Compton: Okay, great. So now we're on to current business, and the 1st one is the Dei education.

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John Compton: and I'm going to let Barbara review where we were because she and

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John Compton: or Mary Barbara Mary summarize. You know where where we are now. You will recall that

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John Compton: Paula asked that if Rasick could comment and could learn a little bit more details about the leadership. Montgomery proposals?

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John Compton: And I believe they did, and also submitted. Some. A lot of that is in was in writing, and it is in the materials

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John Compton: for this meeting anyone could read. So

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John Compton: Barbara, Mary.

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Barbara: Sure. So what the 1st thing that I want to address is well, everybody knows that we have the

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Barbara: proposal, a motion to approve the leadership. Montgomery proposal during our last meeting, and A couple of questions did come up around it, and one of them was from Chris, this is really early on he was. He wanted to be assured that the confidentiality of the data would be protected. And so I did ask leadership, Montgomery

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Barbara: what they do about that? Because when Mary and I 1st talked to them, they said, Oh, yeah, yeah, we have really tight procedures for that. And they forward me forwarded me language that will be in the contract that addresses that issue when I shared it well with everybody and you know, Chris

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Barbara: responded that he he felt that that was adequate. So that was the 1st thing that that I wanted to report on. Do you have anything to add Chris, I mean, I know that's what your biggest concern was.

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Kriss Grisham: No, no, and I appreciate the opportunity, you know, to be able to take a look at that. And I thought it was. I thought it was.

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Kriss Grisham: yeah.

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Kriss Grisham: pretty

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Kriss Grisham: apprehensive.

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Barbara: Okay, good. Thank you.

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Barbara: So when we talk to

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Barbara: Paula and Chas. Wilson, and and also in their their document that they submitted earlier. They were interested in having additional metrics. There were 2 metrics that leadership, Montgomery included in their proposal, so we asked them, you know, if they would be able to add a few more, and and they did. They had a whole list of them for pre survey and post survey. And this is all in my my counselors report. So I know that the

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Barbara: I know it's on the in the materials that John had distributed for the meeting today. So they had a whole list of pre

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Barbara: training and post training questions that they could use to evaluate the training. So that was addressed.

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Barbara: We, Mary and I also met with individuals who were provided as references for them. They provided 3 references, and one of them was, for from Montgomery County she is what the Let me get her title.

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Barbara: race, equity, and Social justice Manager for the Montgomery County Council, and we had a lovely conversation with her, and she just gave a really glowing recommendation for leadership. Montgomery, and particularly for Yesenia, who she's been working with very closely for a couple of years. And then there were 2 other ones that were given as references that we contacted, and we also had positive responses from them as well.

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Barbara: We had another question about

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Barbara: whether this was going to happen on a weekday or a weekend, and we had asked them earlier, you know, would they be available on a weekend? Because we know most residents would prefer a weekend rather than a weekday, and so yes, they they definitely can do it on a weekend as Tom, as as John mentioned. During the last town Council meeting, I offered to meet with with Paula and Chas. And and we had

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Barbara: that meeting. Mary was in that meeting. It was an in person meeting. Rob, unfortunately, had Covid, so he was just there on the phone. But we spent an hour and a half answering questions, and, you know, providing explanations to them about the proposal. One issue that came up is

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Barbara: Paula and Chas are promoting this this Idi.

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Barbara: I guess it's an evaluation, it it's the one where people go online and do some sort of online evaluation. And then they meet with somebody privately. And they have

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Barbara: like a half hour discussion, and then they get an evaluation of where they are on an inclusion spectrum.

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Barbara: So, and and we discussed that. And you know our feeling now is is, you know, we we've got this proposal in front of us from leadership Montgomery leadership, Montgomery, and we'd like to get through that, and we can take up this idi proposal later, you know, at that, you know, after this is done. But we have a lot of in front of us right now. The proposal is, you know, a 3 h meeting with with town residents.

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Barbara: and then subsequent to that, would be meeting with committee chairs and town councillors. 3 individual follow up meetings to discuss plans for what the town will do to have a diversity plan. So that's kind of a lot on our plate right now, and we can talk about that idi issue later. But that is not included in the motion that I made during the last meeting, and I've not added it to the to the motion.

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Barbara: So are there any questions from the counselors about this, Mary? Did you want to add anything, or rob.

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marywarfield: No, I think you covered it.

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Robert Gilmore: No, that was a good summary.

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Barbara: So can we vote if there's no.

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John Compton: I think Paula had to comment.

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Paula Puglisi: I just wanted to expand a little on the idea. I'm really glad that whatever it is that the Council is behind some of this training.

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Paula Puglisi: The the only reason we talked about the individual assessment

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Paula Puglisi: is because

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Paula Puglisi: the this is pretty heavy on official town leadership. They're getting 3 workshops, and there's just one

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Paula Puglisi: sort of. And, Barbara, you described it as

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Paula Puglisi: Dei, 101, which is great, so that everybody's on the same page with terminology and all that.

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Paula Puglisi: But there are some town residents. Some have inquired about the Idi, and there was the letter submitted by 17 residents, saying they would like to see the Dei proposal as Rasik wrote it. But

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Paula Puglisi: I'm just saying that they wanted the Idi, and there are some residents who are not town leaders, but they have participated, possibly in multiple trainings, or have focused on inclusion through their own reading or coursework.

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Paula Puglisi: and they may really want to have an individual assessment or a higher level assessment, or maybe want a baseline assessment in addition to that group training. And I'm thinking that the idea kind of fills that gap

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Paula Puglisi: for people who may have already had a lot of training

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Paula Puglisi: don't need the 101, but who aren't official town leaders and who won't be able to participate in those 3 other workshops.

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Paula Puglisi: And the Idi just fills that gap and could possibly be an offering. It doesn't have to be a big deal. It could just be offered we talked about the town, possibly subsidizing, maybe only 2 or 3 people want to do it. But you know, we did talk earlier about the town subsidizing that

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Paula Puglisi: it's just another another level, another assessment piece that all residents would be able to take that opportunity

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Paula Puglisi: to have

815
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Paula Puglisi: so I don't know. I just thought that if the you know, I know what happens when

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Paula Puglisi: when we say, we're offering this. We support this, and we'll think about that later.

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Paula Puglisi: Right now. The Council is supporting this. The residents see this. It would just be another possibility to say

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Paula Puglisi: this is being offered to who, for whoever may want it.

819
01:14:26.300 --> 01:14:42.446
Barbara: Okay. So the the thing about Barbara's calling this Dei 101, I think I did use that term in in the conversation. That's not all. It is, you know. The the the description is in the

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Barbara: you know, has been shared, you know, in our materials participants will. This is designed for people with various backgrounds, experiences.

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Barbara: and and so on and on. I'm not. I'm not going to read what's here. So I I do think the whole purpose of one of the purpose of this is to have people be introspective about where they are, and and that is going to be brought out in the training, and the 1st one is going to be 3 h. So that's quite a significant amount of time.

822
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Paula Puglisi: Thought that was the only one. Is that not right?

823
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Barbara: There are 4 trainings, the 3 h Training.

824
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Paula Puglisi: Other 3 are only for official town leaders, right?

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Barbara: They are for. Yeah, to the committee committee leaders.

826
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Paula Puglisi: So I'm just saying that it might be that residents

827
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Paula Puglisi: want to have a little bit

828
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Paula Puglisi: more, or this other opportunity. I mean, the town can subsidize or not. I was just thinking that while you're saying we back this up.

829
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Paula Puglisi: that could just be another thing that is offered for people who may already have studied or worked a lot on this, and want an individual assessment.

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marywarfield: I think the the way that the leadership Montgomery is set up is kind of from a town perspective. So the the 1st part is like anybody who wants to participate doesn't understand about Dei, or just wants to talk about kind of where we are. Since we've kind of been been discussing this as a town for a while.

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marywarfield: and then the second part was more specifically and again kind of town oriented. So given what we've learned in the last. You know, the previous session the input we got from any citizens, you know, any residents that may have shown up. How can we apply this very specifically to our town, which I think is really in the spirit of of what our resolution was. So at that point the planning, maybe it may be at that point. You say, Okay, part of it is not.

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marywarfield: You know, this looking at different committees, and how you know

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marywarfield: how they Dei impacts whatever they do. But maybe you know, next step should be that, you know, offering or supporting, you know, subsidizing, or however you want to say it, you know, the next level, which would be, you know, anybody within town who is interested in in further individual training? I mean, I don't. I don't see. I don't think what we proposed says it won't have that. It's just kind of not the 1st

834
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marywarfield: 1st pass through in terms of the town. Addressing Dei for the town.

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Paula Puglisi: I hear what you're saying, but there are some individuals who are ready for that

836
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Paula Puglisi: already right now. They've already done a lot of their own work.

837
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Paula Puglisi: and the resolution says they'll be. You will be doing individual and collective work.

838
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Paula Puglisi: and some people might argue that it would be very important to do your own internal work as well as talking about the town's work.

839
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Paula Puglisi: A lot of people would say that.

840
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Paula Puglisi: and that that might be a 1st step for some people.

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John Compton: Hi, Paula, thank you.

842
01:17:49.420 --> 01:17:51.012
Paula Puglisi: Okay, I'll be quiet.

843
01:17:51.590 --> 01:17:53.010
Paula Puglisi: I got that.

844
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Paula Puglisi: Shut up, Paula.

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John Compton: We're going to move on. No, no, you you pointed out that the individual assessment is, is likely is is important to some residents. I think Barbara and Mary have pointed out that.

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Paula Puglisi: Yeah.

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John Compton: The

848
01:18:12.430 --> 01:18:15.310
John Compton: proposed leadership. Montgomery program.

849
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John Compton: makes good sense to do first, st and that.

850
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John Compton: addressing the individual

851
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John Compton: interest in in the idi approach plus. There may be additional interest generated by the

852
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John Compton: by the leadership Montgomery participation. Certainly the the 1st community wide involvement, would be something that the Council

853
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John Compton: should consider

854
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John Compton: afterwards.

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John Compton: so that I'm I'm just stating where the the positions any other comments on the proposal to approve

856
01:18:55.740 --> 01:18:57.967
John Compton: the leadership. Montgomery.

857
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John Compton: proposals.

858
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John Compton: That have been

859
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John Compton: well, if everybody is has has they made their decision? We'll move to a vote on approving the leadership. Montgomery proposals.

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01:19:17.836 --> 01:19:20.260
John Compton: All in favor. Please raise your hand

861
01:19:21.730 --> 01:19:23.300
John Compton: that looks unanimous.

862
01:19:23.300 --> 01:19:24.680
Jeffrey’s iPhone: Right.

863
01:19:24.680 --> 01:19:25.950
John Compton: Thank you very much.

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John Compton: and gonna leave it to Barbara and Mary to tempt to schedule.

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Barbara: Well, that was, that was the very next thing I was. Gonna say. So just very brief. I don't want to get into a whole long check everybody's calendar for the next 4 months. But when we were trying to find a date for the parliamentary training, one of the dates that the counselors said that everybody was available was November 9.th So I just wanna check with the counselors. Are, are you still available? November 9, th because that will be the 1st date that I'll throw out to her, and if it doesn't work for her, then I'll come back to you with additional dates.

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John Compton: That's a Saturday.

867
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Barbara: It would be 9 to 12.

868
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Eva Langston Patrone: Yeah, I am.

869
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John Compton: I'm good.

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Barbara: Alright, so I will. I will get back in touch with leadership, Montgomery, and

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Barbara: go forward with that. Thank you, everybody.

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Barbara: Right.

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John Compton: Right.

874
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John Compton: So we now move on to some new business.

875
01:20:32.530 --> 01:20:37.559
John Compton: The 1st one is the is the matter of

876
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John Compton: of the conservation meadow

877
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John Compton: and

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John Compton: the a proposal from the Meadow Committee, as well as in cooperation, and certainly with

879
01:20:49.540 --> 01:20:51.700
John Compton: the Parks Department

880
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John Compton: to take take some actions to restore the meadow

881
01:20:57.520 --> 01:21:01.010
John Compton: to A to its meadow character.

882
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John Compton: and for that Bruce Daggy, who has been leading the Meadow Committee, the ad Hoc Meadow Committee, has prepared a

883
01:21:12.430 --> 01:21:19.066
John Compton: a presentation of their what? What has transpired so far? So

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John Compton: yeah.

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01:21:22.870 --> 01:21:23.850
John Compton: gross.

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01:21:24.610 --> 01:21:28.249
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Okay, yeah, John, if you can. Open the presentation.

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01:21:28.250 --> 01:21:30.930
John Compton: I will do so if I can

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John Compton: remember how to do it.

889
01:21:32.740 --> 01:21:33.570
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Okay.

890
01:21:33.570 --> 01:21:34.470
John Compton: Huh!

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01:21:34.470 --> 01:21:37.161
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: And good. Good evening, everyone.

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01:21:37.740 --> 01:21:45.160
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: I I if you have questions or comments I'd appreciate if you could hold those till I till the end of my presentation I've got

893
01:21:45.721 --> 01:21:50.950
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: less than 10 min I should be able to get through this and that should leave time for good discussion.

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01:21:52.210 --> 01:22:01.839
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Okay? So I'd like to start by by sharing some information on the Meadows Committee itself. If I could have the next slide.

895
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Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: should have it.

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Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Yeah, we're

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01:22:09.470 --> 01:22:11.959
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: oh, can I? Can I advance it? No, you have to.

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John Compton: Okay, isn't it? Advanced.

899
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Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: No, it has not advanced.

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John Compton: What!

901
01:22:16.590 --> 01:22:17.970
John Compton: Sharing my screen.

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Eva Langston Patrone: John, you're not in presentation mode. Maybe you need to.

903
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John Compton: I am in presentation mode. That may be the problem. That's exactly what I was in.

904
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John Compton: Still, in presentation mode.

905
01:22:31.950 --> 01:22:34.369
John Compton: I am no longer in presentation mode.

906
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John Compton: It's not being shared. Obviously. Okay.

907
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John Compton: let's try this again.

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01:22:39.810 --> 01:22:40.670
John Compton: All right.

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Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Okay. Thank.

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John Compton: That's it.

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01:22:43.370 --> 01:22:46.019
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: That's good. That's it. Great. Okay.

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John Compton: Let me just try putting it in. I don't think presentation mode is going to work.

913
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John Compton: but

914
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John Compton: I can. I'm gonna try presentation mode which should work, but it didn't.

915
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John Compton: There we go.

916
01:22:59.390 --> 01:23:00.790
John Compton: you still seeing that.

917
01:23:02.390 --> 01:23:05.350
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: I can. It's I can see it fine if everyone else can.

918
01:23:05.490 --> 01:23:06.689
Eva Langston Patrone: Yeah, it's fine like that.

919
01:23:06.970 --> 01:23:08.529
John Compton: Yeah, but doesn't advance.

920
01:23:08.930 --> 01:23:10.090
John Compton: Well.

921
01:23:10.090 --> 01:23:11.149
Peter Nagrod: But then that's not good.

922
01:23:11.150 --> 01:23:12.550
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: You, you should.

923
01:23:12.550 --> 01:23:14.659
Eva Langston Patrone: Aside to the next slide.

924
01:23:15.050 --> 01:23:15.990
Kathy Lehman: You hear me?

925
01:23:15.990 --> 01:23:17.659
John Compton: Is it? Is it advancing.

926
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Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: It's on the second slide. Somehow. You got to the second slide, so maybe you'll just have to click on each slide as we go.

927
01:23:23.890 --> 01:23:27.869
John Compton: Okay, I'm going. We'll go from this.

928
01:23:28.180 --> 01:23:28.720
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Okay.

929
01:23:28.720 --> 01:23:30.779
John Compton: That doesn't work. But let's do it. Okay.

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01:23:30.780 --> 01:23:31.580
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Okay.

931
01:23:31.810 --> 01:23:42.650
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: So the Meadows Committee is an ad hoc committee that was organized earlier this year. You can see the members of the committee in the left hand column.

932
01:23:43.165 --> 01:23:48.169
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Chris has taken over from Christine as the town Council liaison.

933
01:23:48.790 --> 01:23:56.529
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: There are also several people in town who have agreed to be associates of the committee. I'd just like to mention Ernie

934
01:23:56.933 --> 01:24:04.019
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Who was on the earlier Meadow Committee that was involved in developing the management plan for the Conservation park.

935
01:24:04.190 --> 01:24:06.829
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: and oh, we've just lost it again!

936
01:24:06.830 --> 01:24:10.699
John Compton: I I did that on purpose, because I'm trying to get the presentation mode.

937
01:24:10.700 --> 01:24:11.590
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Okay.

938
01:24:11.970 --> 01:24:13.110
John Compton: Working, which is.

939
01:24:13.110 --> 01:24:13.750
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Oh!

940
01:24:13.750 --> 01:24:15.540
John Compton: Great fun. How about that?

941
01:24:16.950 --> 01:24:18.530
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: That is tiny.

942
01:24:19.320 --> 01:24:20.200
John Compton: Tiny.

943
01:24:22.045 --> 01:24:26.004
John Compton: Okay, that's odd. This is very odd. Okay, let me

944
01:24:26.700 --> 01:24:29.559
John Compton: let me quit playing, and we will

945
01:24:30.570 --> 01:24:32.910
John Compton: go back to what does work.

946
01:24:33.530 --> 01:24:35.759
Peter Nagrod: So, Bruce, you have 6 min left. By the way.

947
01:24:35.760 --> 01:24:37.359
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Yeah, that that's great. Okay?

948
01:24:37.360 --> 01:24:38.500
John Compton: Okay, okay, go for it.

949
01:24:38.500 --> 01:24:39.030
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Okay.

950
01:24:39.030 --> 01:24:40.229
John Compton: Are fooling around.

951
01:24:40.230 --> 01:24:41.010
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Okay.

952
01:24:42.920 --> 01:24:48.489
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: and we've had. We've had other volunteers who participated in the 2 weed warrior events that we've held.

953
01:24:48.570 --> 01:25:04.830
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: The committee and its associates include multiple people who have some kind of biology background. We've got 2 master gardeners, we have people who are either currently certified as weed warriors or who have begun the process of becoming certified.

954
01:25:04.920 --> 01:25:09.059
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: and the list includes 2 households on Lower Brown Street.

955
01:25:09.230 --> 01:25:16.990
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: bordering the meadow, and 3 households on Ridge Road, and all of us are frequent users of the meadow

956
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Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: next slide, please.

957
01:25:20.780 --> 01:25:23.510
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: So why is there a Meadows Committee?

958
01:25:23.920 --> 01:25:30.950
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: When the Conservation park was created, there was an operation and use plan drafted among other documents

959
01:25:31.000 --> 01:25:36.660
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: specifying that the meadow would be maintained as a meadow, and that plan has not been followed.

960
01:25:37.100 --> 01:25:42.909
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: So we were tasked to reach out to Montgomery Parks about restoring the meadows. Ecological health.

961
01:25:43.320 --> 01:25:50.190
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: We got underway with that in January, that discussion with Parks, and it has been a very good dialogue. It's been a been a

962
01:25:50.220 --> 01:25:52.009
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: a pleasure to work with them.

963
01:25:52.170 --> 01:25:58.910
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: We've also tried to engage with Parks on the lower meadow, the Piedmont crossing local park.

964
01:25:58.920 --> 01:26:01.658
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: and that has not been so successful.

965
01:26:02.360 --> 01:26:06.810
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Parks has clearly heard the message that the lower meadow will be paved.

966
01:26:07.280 --> 01:26:09.840
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: and not to waste resources on it.

967
01:26:09.990 --> 01:26:16.720
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: So we continue to try to engage with Parks on the lower meadow. But our focus is on the conservation park

968
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Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: next slide

969
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Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: with the present. Here.

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Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: here we go. This is from the Montgomery Parks website. They have an active meadow management and restoration program

971
01:26:34.350 --> 01:26:41.010
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: that lists 4 current projects, the one that is closest in size to our conservation park

972
01:26:41.030 --> 01:26:42.879
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: would be Rachel Carson.

973
01:26:43.030 --> 01:26:50.029
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: So this is something that that Parks is very much engaged with as as a activity focus

974
01:26:50.160 --> 01:26:51.420
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: next slide.

975
01:26:52.760 --> 01:27:04.809
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: There are multiple reasons why Montgomery Parks and the Audubon Society and the Sierra Club and sustainable Maryland and other organizations are working to save meadows.

976
01:27:04.900 --> 01:27:14.659
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Meadows act as a natural reservoir to capture and filter storm water. The roots of meadow plants draw water deep into the soil.

977
01:27:14.930 --> 01:27:26.190
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: the meadows also capture and store carbon and help purify the air. And again the roots play a critical role there. In drawing the carbon deep into the soil

978
01:27:26.470 --> 01:27:30.449
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: meadows help maintain the diversity of ecosystems.

979
01:27:30.520 --> 01:27:36.340
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: We certainly value our woods here and the tree canopy in town, but the meadow is important

980
01:27:36.450 --> 01:27:51.720
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: to support different plant and animal life than what our woods support, and finally, meadows provide a great opportunity for recreation. Bird watching, butterfly watching, or simply communing with nature as we walk through it

981
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Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: next slide.

982
01:27:54.400 --> 01:28:01.689
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Among the things we've done. So far we've had 2 weed warrior events, each with about 10 to 12 volunteers

983
01:28:01.700 --> 01:28:04.860
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: with supervision provided by Montgomery parks.

984
01:28:05.120 --> 01:28:11.799
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: We've been focused on removal by hand of several problematic plant species.

985
01:28:11.880 --> 01:28:18.099
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: We plan for this to be an ongoing activity interspersed with planting events

986
01:28:18.190 --> 01:28:24.469
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: at which we will introduce plant species that are key to supporting local meadow meadow fauna.

987
01:28:24.940 --> 01:28:26.140
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Next slide.

988
01:28:27.810 --> 01:28:43.579
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: We've submitted 2 maintenance requests to parks, one to replace the missing and damaged bollards that edge the park along Ridge Road, and the other to refresh the signage, including providing information about the Restoration effort.

989
01:28:44.500 --> 01:28:51.979
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: And this brings me next slide to what I suspect will be the main topic of conversation the reduction in the number of trees.

990
01:28:52.210 --> 01:28:59.259
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: This is what the meadow looked like, about 2,003. It was open field next slide.

991
01:28:59.890 --> 01:29:04.569
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: This is what it looked like in 2,012. About the time of that

992
01:29:04.600 --> 01:29:07.029
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: that the operation and use plan

993
01:29:07.100 --> 01:29:13.610
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: was drafted, calling for the meadow to remain a meadow. You you can see here the view from

994
01:29:13.680 --> 01:29:15.600
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Donna Shiner's house.

995
01:29:15.790 --> 01:29:18.789
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: You can see all the way down to the houses at the other end

996
01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:22.019
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: and next slide.

997
01:29:22.890 --> 01:29:29.139
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: And this is what the meadow much of the meadow looks like this year.

998
01:29:29.180 --> 01:29:32.340
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: There's been a proliferation of red cedars.

999
01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:35.760
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Now, red cedars are a native tree.

1000
01:29:36.180 --> 01:29:37.950
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: but they're very aggressive.

1001
01:29:38.310 --> 01:29:46.290
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: I have a quote here from Francis Smith, who's an environmental scientist with the Maryland Department of Natural Resources, who I consulted on this.

1002
01:29:46.710 --> 01:29:52.540
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: stating that the Cedars can turn a meadow into a monoculture dead zone.

1003
01:29:52.820 --> 01:30:07.369
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: They harm the diversity of species, because they are also a host for the cedar rust disease, and that rust disease impacts serviceberry and hawthorne, as well as other useful species.

1004
01:30:08.010 --> 01:30:13.609
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: All of the trees that might be removed if we decide to remove trees

1005
01:30:13.670 --> 01:30:15.780
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: are either red cedars

1006
01:30:15.930 --> 01:30:18.709
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: or non-native invasive species.

1007
01:30:18.810 --> 01:30:23.360
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: the latter of which parks is obligated to remove from park land.

1008
01:30:23.540 --> 01:30:28.409
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: For example, there's a large Bradford pair in the meadow close to Brown Street.

1009
01:30:29.130 --> 01:30:34.129
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: There are other trees in the meadow that have been in recent years deliberately planted

1010
01:30:34.170 --> 01:30:41.399
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: deciduous trees of various type, close to the band of trees between the 2 meadows and a few close to Ridge Road.

1011
01:30:41.420 --> 01:30:45.249
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: There's also a large dogwood tree near the middle of the meadow.

1012
01:30:45.300 --> 01:30:53.320
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: None of those trees are in the discussion about tree reduction. All of those trees would certainly remain.

1013
01:30:53.670 --> 01:30:55.799
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: as would some of the cedars.

1014
01:30:56.490 --> 01:31:04.800
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: but we would get back some of the long vistas and regain a habitat better suited for meadow, flora and fauna.

1015
01:31:04.850 --> 01:31:06.160
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Next slide, please.

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01:31:07.640 --> 01:31:16.650
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: We recently received a proposal from Parks to reduce the number of red cedar trees. Taking a two-phase approach. You can see it here.

1017
01:31:16.820 --> 01:31:18.850
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: According to parks.

1018
01:31:18.940 --> 01:31:23.799
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: there are 223 s. In 23 trees

1019
01:31:23.840 --> 01:31:27.029
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: inside the paths of the conservation part.

1020
01:31:27.380 --> 01:31:32.840
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: This map shows geotagged red cedars that Parks proposes to remove.

1021
01:31:33.050 --> 01:31:40.450
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Some of the dots represent a pair of trees, so if you're counting the dots, they won't quite add up to 37, and 38.

1022
01:31:41.390 --> 01:31:48.819
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: We suggested the 2 phase approach in which phase one would happen late this year or early next year.

1023
01:31:49.280 --> 01:31:50.940
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Then there'd be a pause.

1024
01:31:50.990 --> 01:31:54.390
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: while we consider whether to execute phase 2.

1025
01:31:55.010 --> 01:31:56.790
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: During phase one.

1026
01:31:57.310 --> 01:32:02.620
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: one, or more planting events would take place in the newly opened spaces.

1027
01:32:03.070 --> 01:32:10.449
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: The Meadows Committee itself has not had an opportunity yet to vote on the plan. We've only received it from Parks.

1028
01:32:11.076 --> 01:32:15.780
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: So we'll probably be voting on it at our at our regular meeting this year, this month.

1029
01:32:16.670 --> 01:32:23.149
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: The tree removal, if it is to happen, would not happen before October at the soonest.

1030
01:32:23.190 --> 01:32:27.869
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: So there's plenty of time for public comment and consideration by town council.

1031
01:32:28.240 --> 01:32:33.859
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: The tree removal, if done, would probably take 2 days to do phase one.

1032
01:32:34.050 --> 01:32:40.290
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: and would be coordinated with the bow hunters, so that the 2 activities would not interfere with each other

1033
01:32:41.210 --> 01:32:42.900
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: and last slide.

1034
01:32:44.260 --> 01:32:54.369
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Finally, how is all this being done? And what's the long-term plan. The committee itself, in common with other town committees, is a volunteer effort, and it has no budget.

1035
01:32:54.930 --> 01:33:00.259
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: My expectation is that once we finalized a new way of working with Parks

1036
01:33:00.290 --> 01:33:03.470
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: that the ad hoc committee would suspend its efforts.

1037
01:33:03.510 --> 01:33:09.220
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: and one of the standing committees would take up responsibility for the maintenance of the conservation part.

1038
01:33:10.010 --> 01:33:12.219
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: The tree reduction plan

1039
01:33:12.240 --> 01:33:13.720
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: might be done

1040
01:33:13.890 --> 01:33:18.960
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: by a contractor paid by a sustainable Maryland grant.

1041
01:33:19.110 --> 01:33:22.600
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: The grant application has been submitted by the committee.

1042
01:33:22.710 --> 01:33:26.559
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: and we should know by October, if the grant has been funded.

1043
01:33:27.180 --> 01:33:29.449
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: If the grant is not funded.

1044
01:33:29.540 --> 01:33:35.170
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: then Parks has said, they will find the internal resources to remove the trees.

1045
01:33:35.940 --> 01:33:40.849
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Finally, Parks would also supply the training and supervision

1046
01:33:41.110 --> 01:33:43.990
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: for weed, warrior certification

1047
01:33:44.280 --> 01:33:48.010
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: for weed, warrior events, and for planting events.

1048
01:33:48.100 --> 01:33:54.900
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Parks would also supply the seeds or plants for the planting events. They get those from their Pope farm

1049
01:33:55.470 --> 01:34:05.029
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: and would perform other maintenance activities, including the once annual mowing that they do now, and we will be seeking to get all of this from them in writing.

1050
01:34:06.160 --> 01:34:08.010
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: and that's it.

1051
01:34:08.450 --> 01:34:10.290
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Happy to take any questions.

1052
01:34:12.570 --> 01:34:21.132
Peter Nagrod: This was amazing. That was. This is one of the best presentations I've ever seen during a during a council meeting. It's kind of hard to

1053
01:34:21.820 --> 01:34:27.220
Peter Nagrod: to go against what you've said. It's it's great job I have actually have. I have a maintenance question

1054
01:34:27.440 --> 01:34:39.829
Peter Nagrod: because you're since you were talking with the county, and you're looking at the meadow. There's there's beautiful pathways, trails that go through the meadow which the county it seems like they like to take credit for. I've seen some of their signs and stuff.

1055
01:34:39.850 --> 01:34:42.339
Peter Nagrod: but the maintenance of those

1056
01:34:42.770 --> 01:35:01.580
Peter Nagrod: my understanding is that there's a town people that actually do that cutting which you know I should be addressed, and my my other question is about the the manicured lawns that creep up along Ridge Road. Has that been addressed at all, because that's not.

1057
01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:04.569
Peter Nagrod: That's not a meadow that's a lawn.

1058
01:35:04.770 --> 01:35:06.791
Peter Nagrod: and I was wondering what the county

1059
01:35:07.100 --> 01:35:13.300
Peter Nagrod: you would have to say about. I know they helped get rid of the. We used to have some vegetable gardens and things along there. And now there's just

1060
01:35:13.920 --> 01:35:14.850
Peter Nagrod: you. Are. You.

1061
01:35:14.850 --> 01:35:15.240
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Have.

1062
01:35:15.240 --> 01:35:16.550
Peter Nagrod: Like looking, addressing that.

1063
01:35:16.550 --> 01:35:43.959
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: I I haven't really talked to them about the the mowing that's happening. Well, either of the mowing operations that you you talk about. It's my understanding, too, that there are volunteers in town that help maintain the paths. And there's also Ken Shapiro who does the Bluebird Trail, and we are trying to support some of the things that Ken is doing. So. Yes, I I think, kudos to whoever from town is is maintaining the paths. I haven't talked to Parks

1064
01:35:44.130 --> 01:35:48.280
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: about the mowing that happens along Ridge. I'm sure they wouldn't agree with it.

1065
01:35:48.903 --> 01:35:53.140
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: But I haven't brought it up. I think that's that's

1066
01:35:53.290 --> 01:35:58.139
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: if the town wants to do something about it. That's for the town to do. I don't think Parks is going to

1067
01:35:58.330 --> 01:35:59.449
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: jump on it.

1068
01:36:00.030 --> 01:36:04.220
Peter Nagrod: So. But the Meadow. The Meadow Committee doesn't have any problem with that.

1069
01:36:04.320 --> 01:36:05.330
Peter Nagrod: At this stage.

1070
01:36:05.330 --> 01:36:07.129
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: I would not. At this stage, I would say.

1071
01:36:07.130 --> 01:36:08.299
Peter Nagrod: You on the spot.

1072
01:36:08.300 --> 01:36:37.470
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: That's that's not well, I'm just. I'm not. We haven't. We actually haven't discussed it. But you know, my priority is the trees and and the invasive species, and trying to open up the middle of the meadow. You know the meadow species. They like the open spaces, and our meadow is not big enough to get back some meadow species like Bob White's type of bird probably takes a bigger meadow than we we will ever have there.

1073
01:36:37.924 --> 01:36:43.800
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: But there are meadow species that would be happy to come back in if we could make it more meadow like, and we could.

1074
01:36:43.840 --> 01:36:48.110
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: we'd have more diversity of plants, as well as better support for the animals.

1075
01:36:48.340 --> 01:36:50.491
Peter Nagrod: Well, thank you for the education.

1076
01:36:50.850 --> 01:37:05.559
Dave Cosson: And so I can add, Peter, that when I was liaisoning with the parks a couple of years ago, they did mention that they had internal disputes about what to do with the manicured lawn.

1077
01:37:05.570 --> 01:37:09.916
Dave Cosson: and at the at that point the

1078
01:37:10.490 --> 01:37:11.820
Dave Cosson: leave it alone.

1079
01:37:12.210 --> 01:37:18.589
Dave Cosson: Faction was prevailing, but there was some strong sentiment on the other side.

1080
01:37:18.860 --> 01:37:25.359
Dave Cosson: too, so there's no guarantee that Parks won't decide that that shouldn't be allowed.

1081
01:37:26.840 --> 01:37:47.399
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: I'd I'd like to say. Thanks to Dave, Dave is one of the caret caretakers of the records of the meadow history, and he. He was kind enough to have me over and and show me his files and share those with me, and a lot of that material has been scanned and put up by Christine on the website. If anybody is interested.

1082
01:37:47.865 --> 01:37:57.629
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: And the other person who was very helpful for me in this is Georgette and Ernie, who again know a lot of the early history that preceded my being around here.

1083
01:37:59.430 --> 01:38:00.520
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Barbara.

1084
01:38:00.910 --> 01:38:14.159
Barbara: So I I echo Peter's comment. This was so well done. Thank you for making everything so clear and understandable. My question is about the trees? Do they

1085
01:38:14.340 --> 01:38:25.600
Barbara: attract another kind of wildlife that wouldn't that we wouldn't have in town? Because I'm just trying to understand the the ins and outs of the issues, because I I'm not

1086
01:38:25.810 --> 01:38:28.269
Barbara: pro or con either way. But I just.

1087
01:38:28.270 --> 01:38:28.610
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Yeah.

1088
01:38:28.610 --> 01:38:30.580
Barbara: Want to look at it from all sides.

1089
01:38:30.580 --> 01:38:45.149
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Yeah, I mean, there, I mean, there are. There certainly are animals that would would take advantage of the red cedar. But the problem is, if you just look at the sheer number and and size of the red cedars, now they are crowding out other plants.

1090
01:38:45.725 --> 01:38:54.449
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: That would also be important, you know, for the meadow habitat. The other thing is, there are ground nesting meadow birds that don't like the raptors.

1091
01:38:54.600 --> 01:39:09.630
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: nesting or or roosting in trees over their nests, and this is one of the things about a meadow and and how it works. Our foxes that everybody loves so much. They're a meadow species. They like the meadow.

1092
01:39:09.630 --> 01:39:31.949
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: the deer will still use the meadow. The rabbits see rabbits every time I go over there. Meadow bowls the groundhogs. There's quite a diversity of animal life turtle. Yeah. The turtles we see turtles when we go over there. So you know. But we want to if we could open up that space. You know what what Francis said about a monoculture.

1093
01:39:32.280 --> 01:39:58.699
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Those trees are taking up a lot of the square footage of the meadow right now, and if we take them out it's not just going to be a hole there. We're going to plant a diversity of meadow plants that are appropriate to this ecosystem, and that will mean we'll have more butterflies and and other, you know, animals large and small, so there'll be a net gain. The other thing is again, there's a lot of trees, and there will be a lot of trees, even if we do this.

1094
01:39:59.139 --> 01:40:08.360
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: There's, you know if you look at the aerial view, or you walk walk the meadow, there's going to be a lot of trees left. We're just trying to get out enough.

1095
01:40:08.640 --> 01:40:13.100
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: And and I really like that. It's in 2 phases, because we'll have a chance to look.

1096
01:40:13.270 --> 01:40:20.410
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: and we'll have a chance to revisit this before. You know, we we take a decision on a phase 2. And

1097
01:40:20.590 --> 01:40:28.319
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: when we're trying to do the seeding or planting events after the 1st phase, it'll be a more manageable size, you know. Task.

1098
01:40:28.320 --> 01:40:29.300
Barbara: If we're not.

1099
01:40:29.300 --> 01:40:31.170
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Taking out so many trees at once.

1100
01:40:31.470 --> 01:40:32.110
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Thank you. So.

1101
01:40:32.110 --> 01:40:42.349
marywarfield: What about the trees? The the lower meadow are those when they develop? That is that barrier, that group of woods that comes between is that still going to be there? Because.

1102
01:40:42.350 --> 01:40:43.580
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: The barriers have the.

1103
01:40:43.580 --> 01:40:44.640
marywarfield: Kind of a barrier.

1104
01:40:44.640 --> 01:40:57.039
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Yeah, the the Barry as far, I mean. I I hope they're not ever going to, you know. Put that road in and they don't have the money to do it now, and I hope it stays that way. But that that band of trees would remain, I'm sure.

1105
01:40:57.250 --> 01:41:02.729
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: and and you know, and if we have if we get the grant

1106
01:41:03.618 --> 01:41:10.249
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: and we have any money left over, I would certainly go go back to Parks and say, How how about we? You know.

1107
01:41:10.340 --> 01:41:12.879
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: At least take the Bradford bears

1108
01:41:12.940 --> 01:41:16.200
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: out of the lower meadow, or or insist that they do.

1109
01:41:16.330 --> 01:41:21.770
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: because it's parkland, and there should not be Bradford bears on Parkland, and they know it

1110
01:41:24.480 --> 01:41:26.550
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: gotta be a little bit of a squeaky wheel.

1111
01:41:26.920 --> 01:41:54.749
Eva Langston Patrone: I have a question. And I agree. This has been a very convincing presentation, and I'm I'm pretty much sold, but I do have one question which I brought up, I think, at the last meeting, which is the the noise pollution, because I know that when I walk that section of Ridge Road I can hear. What is it? The Icc, you know. And and then, when I walk in the meadow, it's you know you just hear that traffic noise. And so you know, and I understand all the reasons for taking out the trees, but I can't help but think

1112
01:41:54.750 --> 01:41:59.956
Eva Langston Patrone: the trees would, you know. Give us a a sound barrier.

1113
01:42:00.430 --> 01:42:06.420
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: We can actually do a controlled experiment because you can. You can download apps to get decibels on your phone.

1114
01:42:06.480 --> 01:42:16.870
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: And I would be willing to bet it won't make one decibel of difference, because again, there's still going to be hundreds of trees. There's the same distance, and it's up the hill.

1115
01:42:17.226 --> 01:42:46.309
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: And I hate the noise as much as anybody. I I and I'm not that I'm not close that close to that noise, but I I really am disturbed by all the you know, the traffic noise and everything else around here. The one thing that's going to help us a little bit in the long run is as transportation gets electrified. The low rumble noise, which is what really carries the the cars that don't have mufflers that work the Harley Davidsons, whatever you know, over the next decade or 2,

1116
01:42:46.310 --> 01:42:55.380
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: as that diminishes, then the sound won't carry quite as much. But I really don't think these cedars are going to make much difference at all, if any.

1117
01:42:55.510 --> 01:43:00.449
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Yeah, but we can. We can measure it, you know, after the 1st phase, we can measure it.

1118
01:43:00.450 --> 01:43:03.463
Eva Langston Patrone: This is just a thought. I wonder about

1119
01:43:04.050 --> 01:43:11.450
Eva Langston Patrone: adding trees to the barrier, the like, you know the the barrier trees, you know, and I don't know. Maybe that's something.

1120
01:43:11.450 --> 01:43:11.980
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Yeah.

1121
01:43:11.980 --> 01:43:13.399
Eva Langston Patrone: Think about for later.

1122
01:43:13.721 --> 01:43:19.190
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: To, certainly to that understory. That's not a that's actually not a very healthy wood, but.

1123
01:43:19.190 --> 01:43:21.139
Eva Langston Patrone: Yeah, it's kind of sparse. So.

1124
01:43:21.140 --> 01:43:32.590
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: If we were to take. If we were to take out the some of the cedars in that understory, we could put plants like serviceberry, you know we could we? We can try to thicken up

1125
01:43:32.750 --> 01:43:45.359
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: that barrier a bit with understory plants that would be native and would host native, you know, caterpillars, and so forth. That would. I think it'd be a good thing to do, and I'm sure that Parks would

1126
01:43:45.480 --> 01:43:46.910
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: help us with that.

1127
01:43:47.280 --> 01:43:48.450
Eva Langston Patrone: Okay. Great.

1128
01:43:48.780 --> 01:43:52.020
marywarfield: Is the ultimate goal for it to look like 2,003.

1129
01:43:52.020 --> 01:43:52.890
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: No.

1130
01:43:53.020 --> 01:43:56.490
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: no, it'll never look like 2,003 again, unless there's a

1131
01:43:56.710 --> 01:43:58.539
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: conflagration or something.

1132
01:43:58.580 --> 01:44:03.820
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: You know we're we're not. We're not taking out, you know again the deliberately planted

1133
01:44:04.400 --> 01:44:09.669
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: you know, trees that have been introduced in the in the last few years. There will still be the

1134
01:44:09.760 --> 01:44:17.969
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: the the trees along ridge, the the thickened stand of trees between the upper and lower meadow, and

1135
01:44:18.050 --> 01:44:26.620
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: we need to, you know, maintain a good cluster of trees at the northeast end, because that's part of the deal of our view shed

1136
01:44:26.670 --> 01:44:36.949
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: to to not see that new subdivision or relatively new subdivision up there. So there's still going to be a lot of trees. I mean.

1137
01:44:37.150 --> 01:44:39.340
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: there's still going to be hundreds of trees.

1138
01:44:40.620 --> 01:44:42.669
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Babu, or a question.

1139
01:44:42.990 --> 01:44:59.009
Robert Booher: Yeah, when we when we were battling the the Icc. And we were doing the the sound readings and had hired a sound specialist. He pointed out that the trees really don't do a whole lot for blocking the sound.

1140
01:44:59.010 --> 01:45:14.220
Robert Booher: What happens is it sort of becomes what he called environmental sound, which is sort of just goes up into the air and then reverberates through the atmosphere. Essentially the direct the direct impingement of the sound

1141
01:45:14.220 --> 01:45:17.739
Robert Booher: really only can be done, but with a sound wall, so.

1142
01:45:17.740 --> 01:45:28.870
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: And and unfortunately, electrifying will not eliminate the noise by any means, because a lot of the noise is road noise. And and you know, it's just the the deep rumble engine noise. Eventually

1143
01:45:29.170 --> 01:45:34.000
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: that will go away, and that will make a difference in terms of your impression of the sound.

1144
01:45:35.230 --> 01:45:35.690
John Compton: Alright.

1145
01:45:36.590 --> 01:45:47.289
John Compton: I just want to point out that Bruce's introduction of this of the status of the Meadow Restoration discussion was just that

1146
01:45:48.270 --> 01:45:49.110
John Compton: the

1147
01:45:49.180 --> 01:45:50.959
John Compton: formal proposal for the

1148
01:45:51.220 --> 01:45:51.830
John Compton: or

1149
01:45:52.950 --> 01:45:57.899
John Compton: for for the restructured project, but will probably come exactly as.

1150
01:45:58.020 --> 01:46:02.280
John Compton: or not significantly different than what Bruce has outlined

1151
01:46:03.019 --> 01:46:11.659
John Compton: at which point I think I think it behooves the Town Council to express its support or reservation.

1152
01:46:12.800 --> 01:46:14.509
John Compton: But, as I say, we.

1153
01:46:14.640 --> 01:46:20.450
John Compton: it was important to get this out there. We've already received some public comments

1154
01:46:20.590 --> 01:46:30.360
John Compton: about about this proposal, and we want to be sure that everybody can provide their their input. And understands

1155
01:46:30.810 --> 01:46:42.259
John Compton: all the aspects of what is being proposed. So let's let's leave it for tonight. There's no action to be taken, and it will be revisited.

1156
01:46:42.955 --> 01:46:45.680
John Compton: In a future meeting. Certainly.

1157
01:46:46.070 --> 01:46:53.360
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: Just like to add, Thank you. And I'm I'm happy to, you know. Answer anybody's questions, offline. I'm in the book.

1158
01:46:53.560 --> 01:47:08.920
Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: and and our meetings are on the 3rd Wednesday of the month 7 30 by zoom. So anybody wants to come and make a public comment or join the committee or join our weed, warrior events or anything. We're always happy to have that

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Bruce Daggy & Anne Vincent: I'm looking for.

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John Compton: I I would like, I should comment that since Bruce and and others proposed that the meadow had

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John Compton: was

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John Compton: was disappearing, and that something, perhaps should be done.

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John Compton: The He and the Meadow

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John Compton: Committee has been very effective

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John Compton: at at galvanizing

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John Compton: Arts Department.

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John Compton: to

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John Compton: meet the expectations of the operations plan and

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John Compton: make make modifications that are appropriate and take actions, so

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John Compton: that this is a a you know they deserve, I think, significant credit for their efforts.

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John Compton: And of course this is how things get done in Washington Grove. When people take an interest.

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John Compton: I don't need to cite all the examples of that. The humpback bridge was preserved because of the interest of

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John Compton: of of residents. The

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John Compton: the

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John Compton: my path came to be

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John Compton: the meadow is there at all, because of

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John Compton: everyone's commitment to

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John Compton: various aspects. So congratulations to the Meta Committee, and Bruce in particular.

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John Compton: for you know, addressing this question,

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John Compton: and bringing it forward right

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John Compton: alrighty.

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John Compton: So the next item on under new business is playground Survey survey results

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John Compton: which Ava described in the Town Council report, but which I thought should be presented on the agenda

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John Compton: to be sure that the town and everyone is aware of what that survey

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John Compton: revealed. So Ava has agreed to go through

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John Compton: a bit about the

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John Compton: about the

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John Compton: report that she she distributed, and I put into the materials.

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John Compton: Are you.

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Eva Langston Patrone: Yeah, and I apologize. I didn't have time to make a Powerpoint which I would have wanted to. But if you want to just put the report up, John. I can kind of go through it, and I will. We'll have this on the website and Listserv and Bulletin. So people can read through it on their own. I do want to say a quick Thank you to Peggy Booer, who helped me look at the results, and gave me some feedback on the report. So yeah. So originally

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Eva Langston Patrone: I just I put together a playground work group. With the thought of like. Oh, wouldn't it be nice to get a new piece of equipment in the park?

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Eva Langston Patrone: And then I met with some different playground consultants to kind of see. Oh, what could we get? That would be fun in our budget, and that's when they told me that all so many of our pieces of equipment were, you know not, did not meet safety or Ada regulations. And so then I started to think, oh, well, you know, in addition to purchasing new equipment. Oh.

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Eva Langston Patrone: should we also look at repairing or replacing some of these pieces that are not up to code? So with the survey, the the playground work group and I were hoping to kind of get some clarity on what our priorities should be. Should we be trying to repair things? Should we be pushing to get something new, should we try to do both?

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Eva Langston Patrone: And so I just wanted to note that since the survey was given out and it was given out, I believe, in February, and it closed at the end of March. We have already made some improvements. We got new metal basketball nets which should have a longer life than the old ones. There was some regrading done by Rj. To improve drainage, but it it I don't know. I don't know. We'll have to revisit that. Because I know that drainage is is an issue. The picnic tables were repaired.

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Eva Langston Patrone: so I can talk a little bit more about this, but one of the safety issues that was pointed out was

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Eva Langston Patrone: not necessarily that our swings needed to be lowered, but with the height that they are, because they are very high. The enclosure around them would need to be

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Eva Langston Patrone: enlarged, the thought being that if a kid swings out and jumps off the swing, they would either potentially fall outside of the enclosure or worst case scenario fall directly on the wooden border. So originally I was trying to figure out. Well, should we

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Eva Langston Patrone: lower the swing? Should we in, you know, enlarge the border in the end what we decided to do as sort of a compromise is. We just removed the borders completely. So you know. Obviously it wouldn't be great if a kid falls not in the the absorbent wood chips, but at least they will not fall on a wooden border itself.

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Eva Langston Patrone: we also cut

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Eva Langston Patrone: paths into all the play areas and the picnic areas to help with accessibility for wheelchairs and strollers, we added more wood chips. We purchased new signs, including play, at your own risk, which was something that was suggested to us by the town insurance person. We also have a handicapped parking sign yet to be installed that will go in the parking lot.

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Eva Langston Patrone: And there's a few other improvements that will likely make in the near future. And then overall. The survey revealed that residents are concerned about safety, and there is a desire for new equipment. However, there's also a strong attachment to the older pieces of equipment, most of which don't meet safety regulations, and would be very hard to.

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Eva Langston Patrone: you know. I think some people are like wanting best of both worlds of like. Well, can't we just repair the old equipment to make it safety

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Eva Langston Patrone: compliant. And that's just not possible. So there's kind of, you know. A tough

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Eva Langston Patrone: way to satisfy both sides. I have actually stepped back from this project because I just don't have time for it right now. So the addition of a new piece of equipment will have to be revisited. There is one potential thing, and this has not by any means been decided but would likely be agreeable to most residents, which is

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Eva Langston Patrone: the removal of the metal jungle gym on the far side of the parking lot kind of near the baseball diamond, so that metal structure

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Eva Langston Patrone: and I don't know if people can picture what it is, but it was struck by a tree many years ago and damaged, and it was never repaired. The playground consultants flagged it as not meeting safety standards

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Eva Langston Patrone: in the survey. It was not specifically listed by anyone as a favorite piece of equipment, and some residents did list it as a safety concern, or that it would be removed, so that might be something that we can look into the possibility of removing but we will not remove any equipment without.

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Eva Langston Patrone: you know, opening that up to public comment. And that's really the only thing.

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Eva Langston Patrone: Right now that I think we would, we would consider so, John, if you can scroll

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Eva Langston Patrone: so if you want to read more about all of my findings from meeting with the playground consultants. I met with 4 of them. One specifically to talk about Ada and the other ones, who just immediately started telling me all of the safety information. That's at the end of the document. I probably won't go over that tonight. Oh, oh, no, okay.

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Eva Langston Patrone: so just really, quickly. I don't want to bore people. This is the question by question. You can again look at this on your own. How often do you and your family use the park. This kind of goes through people's favorite pieces of equipment, and the swings were a huge you know. Popular item. So I'm glad we found a compromise. With that you can scroll down.

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Eva Langston Patrone: What pieces of equipment do you and your family rarely use? You can see things that you know there were 5 people who said that they rarely use the metal jungle gym on the far side of the parking lot. Go ahead and scroll down.

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Eva Langston Patrone: Are there any pieces of equipment you would like to see removed, repaired, or replaced? You can see a lot of people either said, Remove nothing, or said no to this question, although there were people who had overall safety concerns about the older equipment. Go ahead and scroll down.

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Eva Langston Patrone: Any pieces of equipment you'd like to see added. There were several mentions of exercise stations for adults. Also mentions of kind of a larger jungle gym type system.

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Eva Langston Patrone: And again people felt strongly. The swing should not be removed. I would say the merry, the merry-go-round, the kind of colorful merry-go-round there are probably divided a lot of people wanting it removed, and a lot of people really wanting it to stay. So again, you can see why this is a difficult thing to figure out. You can scroll down.

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Eva Langston Patrone: So what is most important to you? So 55% of people felt repairing and retaining old equipment as long as it can be brought to current safety. And Ada requirements was most important. But that's as I said, very challenging, because

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Eva Langston Patrone: it's for some of them. We just

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Eva Langston Patrone: there's no way to do that. Basically, number 8 is sort of moot because I was asking about if we should lower the height of the swings or enlarge the enclosure, and we kind of came up with a with a solution to that, for now.

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Eva Langston Patrone: We talked about. How important is it to you that the playground has Grove character? There's some people that felt very strongly about Grove character. For some people that meant vintage and eclectic and historic for some people that meant nature. And, you know, using like wood and natural looking things. You can read the comments there, you can scroll down.

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Eva Langston Patrone: Yes, lots of comments there. How do you think it could best be improved again? There's the drainage issue.

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Eva Langston Patrone: and then just other comments. And I would say.

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Eva Langston Patrone: you know.

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Eva Langston Patrone: when I was sort of absorbing all of the the survey information, there was a lot of anxiety about

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Eva Langston Patrone: things being changed and the playground losing its character. But there was also a lot of concern about safety.

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Eva Langston Patrone: And so again, it's just it's gonna be. That's why I'm like I need to. Just I don't have time to figure this out right now because it's gonna be hard to figure out the best plan of action.

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Eva Langston Patrone: and then, yeah, at the bottom is is where I kind of. I won't go over that tonight. But all the things that I found out. From the playground consultants.

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Eva Langston Patrone: So, you know, moving forward, I think we we might look into removing the metal jungle gym, we might continue to work on drainage. We'll get the handicapped sign in the parking lot.

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Eva Langston Patrone: I will see if there's some smaller things that I can do. But I just I I felt like I really didn't have time to work on getting the funding and trying to figure out what

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Eva Langston Patrone: you know. I I feel like the survey was was very divided as to what people want. And I I think what some people want is just not possible. But again, we will not remove anything or make any major decisions without opening it up to public comment.

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Eva Langston Patrone: so that's

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Eva Langston Patrone: and yeah, you'll you can feel free to read it for yourself. I know it is very long.

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Eva Langston Patrone: but there it is, so. Thank you.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah, hey? Even forgetting about the survey the fact that all the work you did, as far as you know. Looking at

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Peter Nagrod: that, we just take it for granted it's been there people a lot of people, so many people not within the grove use it all the time, too, and I think that you did an amazing job of identifying areas that could be improved, you know, just like when you walk from the parking lot right when it's raining, and people are walking through mud and puddles, and and now there's a walkway there.

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Eva Langston Patrone: Oh, yeah, I can't believe I didn't put that on there. But yeah, we put in the walk.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah.

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Eva Langston Patrone: From the.

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Peter Nagrod: Picnic.

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Eva Langston Patrone: To, the.

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Peter Nagrod: And even.

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Eva Langston Patrone: Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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Peter Nagrod: Little things like the picnic tables, besides having to be repaired. The tree branches were like in people's faces, and you know the swings you did so much, making it ad a compliant. The signage is beautiful. I think John wants credit for that.

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Eva Langston Patrone: John John can get credit for the signs, too.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah, but but it's like, totally revitalize the whole playground and and the interest in it. And you know, you and I know Meredith did. I think some help with you? But you know you did a great job.

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Eva Langston Patrone: Yeah. And I should also say Barbara was involved as well. And Steve, certainly. So yeah, I mean, I I feel like I've done. I've done what I can. I'll continue to do some things. As far as getting new equipment. It's it's gonna be a

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Eva Langston Patrone: yeah. I I whoever did the new equipment whenever it happened? When was it in

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Eva Langston Patrone: 2,004 or something? I'm gonna maybe I think it was. Was it Jen Hicks? I don't know. Might have to ask her how, though that decision was made. But but anyway, yeah, so, and I do think the new path from the parking lot to the picnic area helps with some of the mud issues, because that's where the worst of the mud was. And now there's a path. So yeah.

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Eva Langston Patrone: But still, if there's been heavy rain, wear your rain boots to the playground would be my recommendation.

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Eva Langston Patrone: So any questions let me know. But I that's all.

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John Compton: Okay. Everybody should take a look and

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John Compton: try, and and therefore not be too surprised when

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John Compton: eventually, sooner or later, the playground group comes back with more.

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John Compton: and or Eva alone

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John Compton: comes back with more suggestions for

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John Compton: or improving a playground.

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Dennis Kirschbaum: Can I ask a question whether resurfacing the Tarmac Basketball court has been considered

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Dennis Kirschbaum: to draw people away from

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Dennis Kirschbaum: unofficially using the Hardcourt tennis court.

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Peter Nagrod: I can. I can answer that. And I've talked with Steve about about that.

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Peter Nagrod: and

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Peter Nagrod: there is a way of doing it that's not going to cost a million dollars.

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Peter Nagrod: So Steve had a suggestion for that, and I don't know. I don't know if, Eva, we probably didn't talk about that.

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Eva Langston Patrone: No, but I I'm interested in that. That.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah.

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Peter Nagrod: yeah, there is. There is a way, Steve said, to kind of repave that

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Peter Nagrod: in a way that make it more make it more presentable.

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Peter Nagrod: So that's being looked at.

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John Compton: And we put pickleball courts there.

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Peter Nagrod: We have 2 pickleball courts, John.

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John Compton: Yeah, but they interfere with the tennis.

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John Compton: Okay, that was

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John Compton: just busy.

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John Compton: right? Thank you. Ava, and let's go move along.

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John Compton: The last item of new business which we can handle or defer as the Council wishes

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John Compton: is the the again. Well, I've said this many times

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John Compton: that we periodically have an increase in

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John Compton: concerns over

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John Compton: cars traveling too fast around town.

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John Compton: The most recent reoccurrence of concern is on Chestnut road.

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John Compton: and a lot of comments were flown back and forth on the listserv.

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John Compton: but Kathy witnesses it out her window in the office.

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John Compton: As well. So

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John Compton: you know it's a it's an it's an issue which

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John Compton: I believe the the town, the the Town council, should take some action on.

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John Compton: Not necessarily tonight.

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John Compton: But I did want to want to propose that we review this fee, the the traffic calming

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John Compton: and speed bump hump placements on

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John Compton: on Chestnut Avenue.

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John Compton: and.

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Peter Nagrod: And Grove Grove Road.

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John Compton: Oh, what am I talking about? No, not girls, really.

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Peter Nagrod: So, yeah, yeah.

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John Compton: The trust.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah, because what's happening is that if you talk with Steve, this traffic Czar, if if we do really get chestnut

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Peter Nagrod: to function properly.

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Peter Nagrod: the cars are all gonna go, which they do now they'll go around on, and they do. They go around Grove instead, you know, up Macaulay.

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John Compton: Alright! Well.

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Peter Nagrod: So it needs to be looked at.

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John Compton: One at a time, Peter. So if that happens.

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John Compton: we certainly can do that.

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John Compton: I I do want to show I I cobbled up. Just just took this map of the town and used the just, I think, just to help. You guys can see this.

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John Compton: Just as a as as a way of discussing so suggestions that have been raised as to how to go about traffic bombing on on Chestnut Road. So I've tried to put in with the red bars.

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John Compton: Where the current speed bumps and the one hump appear.

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John Compton: I think it's opposite one top, not sure exactly where it is. I. It may be not quite in the right position, but it's on this on this block

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John Compton: where they currently exist when they are installed.

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John Compton: and

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John Compton: and the question is.

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John Compton: or the the reality is that they they seem to be

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John Compton: insufficiently effective

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John Compton: at reducing the relatively few, but nevertheless troublesome number of cars that want to race down Chestnut Road

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John Compton: so

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John Compton: I didn't put any of the suggested solutions on here. But

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John Compton: Among those are. Can you see my pointer?

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John Compton: Among those are are the 2 I want to mention right off.

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John Compton: One is a speed up here between Macaulay and Acorn.

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John Compton: To an a hump that's like we have up here at the other end of Chestnut Road

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John Compton: to reduce speed coming up to Acorn Lane.

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John Compton: The current, the current bump is only across half of the road.

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John Compton: so you know.

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John Compton: drivers can.

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John Compton: and clearly go around, attempt to go around

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John Compton: that can be made difficult, if not impossible, by by the appropriate placement of of an immovable object on the on the other side of the road.

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John Compton: But probably not

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John Compton: so I'm not sure what to do about that.

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John Compton: However, these these bumps that are at the stop signs

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John Compton: at Chestnut road and oak.

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John Compton: Gene Moyer made an interesting suggestion, and that was well, the fact is that one can go around either one of these if one is so inclined, because we only we only have the bump covering

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John Compton: the the travel lane in either direction.

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John Compton: She

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John Compton: wondered whether or not a bump could be placed totally across

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John Compton: Chestnut Road, making it impossible to avoid it.

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John Compton: But put it on only one side, so not at both stop signs, but at one stop, sign, or the other

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John Compton: and thereby forcing anyone to either go over it. And

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John Compton: I hope we all agree seriously impacting your suspension and car

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John Compton: or slow down.

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John Compton: So that struck me as something interesting to consider.

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John Compton: Of course you could put

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John Compton: put bumps here at grove and center as well.

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John Compton: And really, really make it a a hopscotch of of

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John Compton: folks.

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John Compton: All right, that's all I'm going to say about this. I I do think that it's maybe the time to consider

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John Compton: other additional traffic calming on Chestnut Road. All right.

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John Compton: but he have any comments.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah. You know, this has been going on

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02:08:34.990 --> 02:08:36.629
Peter Nagrod: since I've been here.

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John Compton: Yeah, and years.

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Peter Nagrod: And I'm just saying I'll make this is my comment. It's been going on forever. I don't think it's all that complicated as far as. And there is technology out today

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02:08:47.770 --> 02:08:56.585
Peter Nagrod: that we didn't have 40 years ago. Up I go up to Mount Airy a lot. They have exact a very similar situation. Us. They have some.

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02:08:57.090 --> 02:09:13.140
Peter Nagrod: you have solar powered. You know, signs that read speed. Okay? And you could. You could put them in and you'll you could actually see people can see how fast they're driving. It's hardly 15 miles an hour is really hard to go.

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Peter Nagrod: and a lot of people within town, you know. Not just not just these people from out of town, but the people in town are just as bad as these people out of town.

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Peter Nagrod: And you know, maybe we need to invest a little technology to you know, help people slow down.

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02:09:28.750 --> 02:09:35.819
Peter Nagrod: But not but you know. So anyway, I'm I'm researching right now, so at the next meeting I will. I will request

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Peter Nagrod: some funds to do something. I mean. That's what I would like to see. You know, I think Ridge Road is a problem. Grove road's a problem, and Chestnut's a problem. Of course, Washington Grove Lane, but we don't control that.

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Kathy Lehman: Let's good bye.

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Peter Nagrod: There's some. There's some things out there.

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Dave Cosson: Out there.

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John Compton: Anybody. Other council members have a comment. I have a raised hand resident.

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John Compton: No, okay. I don't know whether it's Sarah or Rick.

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02:10:09.480 --> 02:10:10.190
Marilynn Frey: Ron.

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Sarah Kobrin and Rick Silton: It's Rick.

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Marilynn Frey: Listed hickory is a problem. They go to tearing up hickory.

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Sarah Kobrin and Rick Silton: Yeah, so

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Sarah Kobrin and Rick Silton: I don't know if I do. I have the floor here.

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John Compton: Yes.

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Sarah Kobrin and Rick Silton: Okay? So one question is regarding the

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02:10:29.253 --> 02:10:32.709
Sarah Kobrin and Rick Silton: speed bumps that only go halfway across.

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Sarah Kobrin and Rick Silton: Do we have evidence? Substantial evidence that a lot of people are trying to go around them.

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Sarah Kobrin and Rick Silton: Cause, I mean.

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Sarah Kobrin and Rick Silton: it seems like the idea of putting one all the way across. If we don't know that that's the case.

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Sarah Kobrin and Rick Silton: And then also I just want to put in a

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Sarah Kobrin and Rick Silton: and a quick note for your thoughts, Peter, on the the idea of radar thing.

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Sarah Kobrin and Rick Silton: While I can be very supportive of that in general, the idea of more light pollution. And out, you know, especially having any lights blinking at night.

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Sarah Kobrin and Rick Silton: Please don't do that to me

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Sarah Kobrin and Rick Silton: as a as somebody who lives on Chestnut Road. So.

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Peter Nagrod: It. Well, all you have to do is don't speed, and you won't see it.

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Sarah Kobrin and Rick Silton: That's not true, cause, you know, if if somebody else speeds, then I'm gonna see it.

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Peter Nagrod: Right, right.

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Sarah Kobrin and Rick Silton: So

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Sarah Kobrin and Rick Silton: thank you.

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John Compton: Alright. Well, we certainly don't have to discuss this in detail, since there is no actual proposal to take action here.

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John Compton: The.

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John Compton: Unless any council members have any further comments, we will move along

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John Compton: alright.

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02:11:51.400 --> 02:11:52.719
Kathy Lehman: I have one John.

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John Compton: Sorry.

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02:11:54.580 --> 02:11:57.090
Kathy Lehman: Going to repair the one that was pulled out.

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John Compton: Yes, that's on the schedule to be referred.

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02:11:59.710 --> 02:12:00.470
Kathy Lehman: Thank you.

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John Compton: Right? Peter.

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02:12:03.730 --> 02:12:04.490
John Compton: okay.

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Peter Nagrod: Well, yeah, but we'll talk about it. But it's it's

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Peter Nagrod: it's kind of the suggestions were, talk to you about some of the.

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02:12:13.980 --> 02:12:19.610
Peter Nagrod: So something similar to what you were talking about, about, where the best placement is for that

1394
02:12:19.860 --> 02:12:22.749
Peter Nagrod: you know the best you. So we can talk. We'll talk about that.

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02:12:23.120 --> 02:12:24.789
Peter Nagrod: but it is being repaired.

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02:12:25.750 --> 02:12:26.350
John Compton: Okay.

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02:12:27.480 --> 02:12:32.110
John Compton: well, we're going to change the placement. But right now it should go back where it was.

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02:12:35.880 --> 02:12:43.849
John Compton: right? All right. So we're on to town council reports. I have just a few things that I pulled out to.

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John Compton: Who

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John Compton: of note one was the playground survey which Eva has now given a

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02:12:51.500 --> 02:12:56.550
John Compton: or detailed report on. It's in her council reports.

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02:12:56.760 --> 02:13:06.140
John Compton: the Dei education, suggestion, the metrics, and everything else she included in her report.

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02:13:06.150 --> 02:13:09.860
John Compton: It's it's also in the materials for the meeting.

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02:13:10.520 --> 02:13:23.620
John Compton: The lake. Mary went through a lot of the volunteer efforts at the lake, which included diving board being installed, reinstalled

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02:13:23.990 --> 02:13:28.620
John Compton: for the rest of the season, and a host of maintenance tasks.

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02:13:29.250 --> 02:13:32.070
John Compton: That volunteers with the Lake Committee

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02:13:32.990 --> 02:13:34.240
John Compton: performed.

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02:13:35.084 --> 02:13:43.100
John Compton: Peter reported from the gateway Committee that volunteers have been refurbishing the Catherine Hall signs

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02:13:43.190 --> 02:13:50.559
John Compton: that were at Mccauley entrance to the Grove and at the Chestnut Road entrance off Railroad Street.

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02:13:51.450 --> 02:13:57.390
John Compton: Other signs also need to be refurbished or eliminated, and

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02:13:57.460 --> 02:13:58.950
John Compton: case may be.

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02:13:59.730 --> 02:14:09.910
John Compton: And finally, Peter reported with mate about regarding maintenance, that the vehicle access portion of 6th Avenue has been regraveled.

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02:14:10.440 --> 02:14:14.750
John Compton: and that Ridge road has

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02:14:14.790 --> 02:14:19.310
John Compton: the speed humps at Ridge Road have been

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02:14:20.060 --> 02:14:22.190
John Compton: signs have been

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02:14:24.380 --> 02:14:29.590
John Compton: improved, in my opinion, since I'm right across from them, and you can see an example

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02:14:29.690 --> 02:14:32.929
John Compton: right behind me in my background

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02:14:32.990 --> 02:14:34.830
John Compton: concerning that

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02:14:35.301 --> 02:14:45.990
John Compton: where? The in this case you can't quite see all of it here, but now the it's a low sign. Caution. 5 miles per hour. It's coming up.

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02:14:46.230 --> 02:14:52.679
John Compton: And then at the sign there's another one, and this is in several places. I have photos, but I won't show them all.

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02:14:53.090 --> 02:14:58.790
John Compton: and I think it's a significant improvement. It's the kind of signage

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02:14:58.930 --> 02:15:09.129
John Compton: that we've planned to put whenever we make make changes to the signs on our roads around town.

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02:15:09.610 --> 02:15:13.039
John Compton: So thank you, Peter, for getting getting those installed

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02:15:16.010 --> 02:15:24.300
John Compton: all right. So that's all I had out of the Council reports. Anybody else have anything they would like to say about their report.

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02:15:27.270 --> 02:15:30.680
John Compton: Okay, if not, I need a motion to approve the Council.

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02:15:30.810 --> 02:15:31.580
Kriss Grisham: John.

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02:15:31.580 --> 02:15:32.440
John Compton: Restaurant.

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02:15:32.440 --> 02:15:36.860
Kriss Grisham: Yeah, I'm having a hard time trying to find my unmute button. I'm sorry.

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John Compton: Around. I know you never.

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Kriss Grisham: Oh.

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Kriss Grisham: so I I guess the backtrack on the on, the the speeding and the speed bumps.

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02:15:45.775 --> 02:15:52.820
Kriss Grisham: And I put it in the Town Council's report also. But you know, we were trying to figure out

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02:15:52.830 --> 02:15:57.279
Kriss Grisham: what needed to be done to try to resurrect the emergency preparedness and and safety Committee.

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02:15:57.340 --> 02:16:01.206
Kriss Grisham: And we did. Yeah. So I had asked,

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02:16:02.600 --> 02:16:11.799
Kriss Grisham: the core members, I guess to to to give me some updates and brief brief me on on what was done before, and and speeding came up.

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Kriss Grisham: And so we did talk about.

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02:16:15.420 --> 02:16:22.320
Kriss Grisham: And it's very preliminary about, you know. Speed signs and solar operated signs and and

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02:16:22.490 --> 02:16:23.380
Kriss Grisham: costs

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02:16:23.710 --> 02:16:26.260
Kriss Grisham: that type of thing and and speed bumps and

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Kriss Grisham: we just

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02:16:28.480 --> 02:16:37.699
Kriss Grisham: you know, it was in a preliminary stage right now, what we're trying to do is is, and I need to draft some kind of a statement to put the next newsletter to try to

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02:16:38.569 --> 02:16:42.160
Kriss Grisham: get more volunteers, I guess, because we're trying to

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02:16:42.920 --> 02:16:48.580
Kriss Grisham: reinvigorate and and reestablish the Emergency Preparedness and Safety Committee.

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02:16:49.719 --> 02:16:50.359
Peter Nagrod: Good.

1445
02:16:51.270 --> 02:16:52.490
John Compton: Yes. Oh.

1446
02:16:53.139 --> 02:16:57.338
John Compton: and, Chris, I apologize. I should have made note of that.

1447
02:16:57.969 --> 02:17:01.839
John Compton: yes, we've been so so involved in reviewing what's going on.

1448
02:17:01.930 --> 02:17:07.940
John Compton: But yeah, everybody should should definitely read Chris's thorough report on

1449
02:17:08.840 --> 02:17:13.040
John Compton: the the his efforts to

1450
02:17:13.170 --> 02:17:18.420
John Compton: we. We resurrect the emergency preparedness and Safety Committee

1451
02:17:19.335 --> 02:17:24.410
John Compton: which has done so much valuable work

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02:17:24.490 --> 02:17:26.140
John Compton: over over the years.

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02:17:26.590 --> 02:17:28.920
John Compton: Thank you, Chris, for bringing this up.

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02:17:29.650 --> 02:17:36.759
marywarfield: And can I just point out that I did include something for the Sustainability Committee? But my revised notes were not in the

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02:17:36.830 --> 02:17:38.309
marywarfield: in the committee report.

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02:17:40.990 --> 02:17:46.169
marywarfield: Nothing, nothing. Nothing. Earth shadowing happened. But I I did. I did put that in my report.

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02:17:46.670 --> 02:17:47.889
John Compton: Okay.

1458
02:17:49.950 --> 02:17:54.690
John Compton: all right. So any motion to approve for posting the council report.

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02:17:55.610 --> 02:18:00.549
Peter Nagrod: Well, John, just can we, did you? You said something about the abandoned

1460
02:18:01.020 --> 02:18:03.090
Peter Nagrod: that the houses.

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02:18:04.680 --> 02:18:08.472
marywarfield: We're we're meeting. We're meeting on this week.

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02:18:09.420 --> 02:18:10.370
John Compton: Or except.

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02:18:10.379 --> 02:18:12.059
marywarfield: Report yet, but we're meeting.

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02:18:12.059 --> 02:18:12.609
John Compton: And just.

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02:18:12.610 --> 02:18:17.100
Peter Nagrod: Oh, so is that what you said, though? So it's just that it's still being organized. Kind of organized. Okay.

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02:18:17.100 --> 02:18:19.120
John Compton: That's how. Yeah.

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02:18:19.920 --> 02:18:20.430
John Compton: just one.

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02:18:20.430 --> 02:18:23.770
marywarfield: And are are we a work group? What do we call ourselves?

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02:18:23.770 --> 02:18:25.049
John Compton: They're a subcommittee.

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02:18:25.190 --> 02:18:26.950
marywarfield: Subcommittee. Okay, thank you.

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02:18:30.459 --> 02:18:35.199
John Compton: Come on, get with the program just different things.

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02:18:37.280 --> 02:18:39.120
Kathy Lehman: You finished with this vote yet.

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02:18:39.693 --> 02:18:40.266
John Compton: Now

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02:18:42.490 --> 02:18:46.729
John Compton: It's been moved and seconded to accept the council reports for posting all in favor.

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02:18:47.740 --> 02:18:48.620
John Compton: All right.

1476
02:18:49.010 --> 02:18:50.700
Kathy Lehman: Moved in her seconded. I never heard.

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02:18:50.700 --> 02:18:52.260
John Compton: Donny, don't worry about it.

1478
02:18:52.260 --> 02:18:53.330
Kathy Lehman: There's no motion.

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02:18:53.940 --> 02:18:56.549
Peter Nagrod: I made them. I made the motion. I made the motion.

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02:18:56.950 --> 02:18:57.670
John Compton: Okay.

1481
02:18:57.900 --> 02:18:59.650
John Compton: Second, not required, but.

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02:18:59.650 --> 02:19:00.680
Kathy Lehman: That's fine!

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02:19:00.680 --> 02:19:01.379
John Compton: Someone.

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02:19:02.166 --> 02:19:10.709
John Compton: Alright! So we're coming to the end of the meeting. We have some approval of minutes. There are 2 sets of minutes to approve, one of which

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02:19:10.889 --> 02:19:21.810
John Compton: I sent out just today. And it's for the council meeting that was held April 16.th Those minutes fell through the cracks

1486
02:19:22.000 --> 02:19:33.170
John Compton: is 1 1 explanation and have finally materialized. I distributed them. They're in the materials.

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02:19:33.240 --> 02:19:50.330
John Compton: and I hope you know, a few people had a chance to to read them. Everyone here in the Council, with the exception of Chris, was at that meeting, so I'd like to get them approved so that we can finally post them, and Christine

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02:19:50.380 --> 02:19:54.150
John Compton: won't be offended that there's this gap in minutes

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02:19:54.170 --> 02:20:02.599
John Compton: that aren't on the website. And I don't blame her. Whatsoever I'm not. I'm not criticizing her. She's right. They they need to be

1490
02:20:03.590 --> 02:20:05.879
John Compton: so. Can I have a motion to approve those minutes.

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02:20:05.880 --> 02:20:07.420
Barbara: Motion to approve Barbara.

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02:20:07.730 --> 02:20:09.540
marywarfield: I'll second Mary.

1493
02:20:09.750 --> 02:20:10.590
John Compton: Thank you.

1494
02:20:11.010 --> 02:20:12.083
Peter Nagrod: So, John.

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02:20:12.960 --> 02:20:14.559
Peter Nagrod: The minutes are fine.

1496
02:20:14.690 --> 02:20:20.640
Peter Nagrod: but the April I only I read, going through the April minutes. I found at least 5

1497
02:20:21.550 --> 02:20:25.330
Peter Nagrod: grammatical. Do you want to call them errors in there where it

1498
02:20:26.300 --> 02:20:33.390
Peter Nagrod: just like the wrong word or extra words, or whatever. And I yeah, we don't want you to spend 20 min. But it that could just be.

1499
02:20:33.620 --> 02:20:36.240
Peter Nagrod: you know, go through the editor of Word. It would all.

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02:20:36.240 --> 02:20:39.189
John Compton: You know that I, Peter, I guarantee you

1501
02:20:39.210 --> 02:20:42.389
John Compton: that I run. This is in the minutes.

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02:20:42.590 --> 02:20:43.140
Kathy Lehman: I didn't.

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02:20:43.140 --> 02:20:44.730
Peter Nagrod: April, yeah.

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02:20:45.170 --> 02:20:46.680
John Compton: I I run a.

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02:20:46.680 --> 02:20:47.870
Peter Nagrod: I thought, so, yeah.

1506
02:20:47.870 --> 02:20:53.890
John Compton: I ran a spell on grammar check. If I didn't i i apologize right now.

1507
02:20:54.160 --> 02:20:57.719
John Compton: but I'll do it right as we're speaking.

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02:20:57.720 --> 02:20:58.759
Peter Nagrod: Oh, good. Okay.

1509
02:20:58.760 --> 02:21:02.039
John Compton: Because I I try. I do try and correct all of those.

1510
02:21:02.350 --> 02:21:04.420
Peter Nagrod: Yeah, I know. I know. I've never seen.

1511
02:21:04.420 --> 02:21:04.969
John Compton: Got it like

1512
02:21:05.620 --> 02:21:08.789
John Compton: I've just done it. And it says it's a hundred percent correct.

1513
02:21:09.090 --> 02:21:09.890
Peter Nagrod: Yeah, well.

1514
02:21:09.890 --> 02:21:10.979
John Compton: Do you have anything?

1515
02:21:10.980 --> 02:21:13.439
Kathy Lehman: Well, and it said it when I sent it to you too.

1516
02:21:13.470 --> 02:21:14.869
Kathy Lehman: But.

1517
02:21:16.270 --> 02:21:20.200
John Compton: Same as when you send it to me. It's a significantly

1518
02:21:20.500 --> 02:21:21.673
John Compton: revised but

1519
02:21:22.480 --> 02:21:27.240
John Compton: okay, Peter, I try to. Grammatical stuff can always be correct.

1520
02:21:27.240 --> 02:21:38.690
Peter Nagrod: Oh, exactly, because the yeah, the everything is is totally correct and fine. So and I'm gonna and I'm gonna send you. I'm gonna send you a copy. Yeah, I will.

1521
02:21:40.150 --> 02:21:42.819
John Compton: All right. Any comments

1522
02:21:43.230 --> 02:21:44.320
John Compton: there's none.

1523
02:21:44.690 --> 02:21:49.349
John Compton: All right, all in favor of approving. April. 16 min. Thank you.

1524
02:21:49.650 --> 02:21:53.912
John Compton: all right. The other set of minutes was the was the

1525
02:21:55.400 --> 02:22:01.999
John Compton: July 7th minutes. There was, Barbara pointed out, requested the

1526
02:22:02.200 --> 02:22:07.050
John Compton: addition of something in the action portion, which

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02:22:07.600 --> 02:22:09.890
John Compton: which I felt was

1528
02:22:11.130 --> 02:22:15.279
John Compton: was appropriate to add, so I'm going to show it to you

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John Compton: right now.

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John Compton: These are the minutes from the July 8th meeting.

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John Compton: And

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John Compton: what was added is here in yellow under action, where, under the Dei Education agenda. Item.

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John Compton: the Council deferred action on the motion until the august meeting, Barbara asked the comments from Rasick be provided at least a week ahead of the meeting, and offered to meet separately with Rasik, to further explain the proposals and answer questions.

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John Compton: So she described that, in fact, that's what she did. So

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John Compton: that's been added to the minutes that I'd like to have moved for.

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John Compton: or

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John Compton: approval.

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Barbara: This is Barbara. I move.

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John Compton: Thank you.

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John Compton: All right.

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John Compton: all in favor.

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John Compton: All right. Minutes approved. Great. So we're caught up on minutes

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John Compton: all marks

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John Compton: alright. So

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Kathy Lehman: Did you get the one they sent you this afternoon.

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John Compton: Well, yeah, but that.

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Kathy Lehman: No, no, I just did you get them, that's all. I.

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John Compton: Of course I did. That was less than 2 weeks ago. Thank you. That was very efficient.

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John Compton: okay. So last item on the agenda is to review the the

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John Compton: having meetings. We're having a meeting tomorrow night at 7 30 principally

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John Compton: The only item of business on the agenda is to hear from

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John Compton: Smi environmental in a closed session.

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John Compton: But then, of course, as I said before, the meeting will be started as an open session, and we will have to vote.

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John Compton: Go into closed session.

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John Compton: and the next regular meeting of the Town Council will be Monday, September 9.th

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John Compton: At that meeting I will not be

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John Compton: I'm I'm hoping to participate. But

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John Compton: don't hold me to that. I will be in Portugal.

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John Compton: Barbara, I believe, said she was going to be out of town, but here in the Us. And she will be

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John Compton: as as

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John Compton: mayor pro tem. Will be

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Barbara: Yeah, I'll I'll be in town.

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John Compton: Oh, you are going to be.

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Barbara: Yeah, I, yeah, it changed. Yeah.

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John Compton: Great. So Barbara will be chairing that meeting.

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John Compton: Okay, that's it. If there anybody have any final comments before we adjourn.

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John Compton: Okay, see you all tomorrow night as the Council, all and Council and our advisors on.

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John Compton: and the Rfp.

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John Compton: Thank you all.

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Barbara: Good, everybody.

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marywarfield: Night.

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Kathy Lehman: Back, down.