WEBVTT 1 00:01:21.980 --> 00:01:22.900 John Compton: Hey! There! 2 00:01:26.980 --> 00:01:28.130 Georgette Cole: Hi John. 3 00:01:28.170 --> 00:01:29.829 John Compton: Hi! Hi! There! Georgia! 4 00:01:30.530 --> 00:01:31.260 John Compton: Is that. 5 00:01:31.260 --> 00:01:33.200 Georgette Cole: At Portugal. Behind you. 6 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:39.630 John Compton: Yes, that's the one of the banks of banks of the Doral River some picture 7 00:01:39.640 --> 00:01:41.229 John Compton: a day or 2 ago. 8 00:01:41.630 --> 00:01:43.220 John Compton: So yeah. 9 00:01:44.044 --> 00:01:44.459 John Compton: it's. 10 00:01:44.460 --> 00:01:49.060 Georgette Cole: With that Duro River trip. Multiple times. It's very appealing looking. 11 00:01:49.568 --> 00:02:00.250 John Compton: Yup. It's been pretty relaxing mostly, but the the river part. We were in Lisbon a few days beforehand. 12 00:02:00.460 --> 00:02:02.359 John Compton: Then we were on a pre-trip 13 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:04.349 John Compton: around Lisbon, and 14 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:09.079 John Compton: a bus bused up to Porto, and we got on the river 15 00:02:09.090 --> 00:02:11.560 John Compton: yesterday day before yesterday. 16 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:12.330 Georgette Cole: Okay. 17 00:02:12.620 --> 00:02:15.989 John Compton: Yeah. Let's see, there's somebody wants to come in. 18 00:02:15.990 --> 00:02:17.070 Georgette Cole: It should be 19 00:02:18.750 --> 00:02:22.089 John Compton: Let me make you. Let me make sure I can make you 20 00:02:22.580 --> 00:02:23.830 John Compton: co-host. 21 00:02:24.440 --> 00:02:26.419 John Compton: I can make you host 22 00:02:26.920 --> 00:02:27.700 John Compton: air. 23 00:02:28.630 --> 00:02:30.909 John Compton: I like Georgia the cars? Yes. 24 00:02:33.990 --> 00:02:34.640 Georgette Cole: Hmm! 25 00:02:38.600 --> 00:02:39.024 Georgette Cole: It's 26 00:02:39.590 --> 00:02:40.800 Georgette Cole: pretty early. 27 00:02:42.600 --> 00:02:44.191 John Compton: Yeah, it's pretty early for 28 00:02:44.700 --> 00:02:46.290 John Compton: That's probably Bob. 29 00:02:46.300 --> 00:02:47.520 John Compton: Peggy. 30 00:02:49.200 --> 00:02:51.719 Georgette Cole: was really expecting Barbara. 31 00:02:52.300 --> 00:02:52.990 John Compton: Right. 32 00:02:53.680 --> 00:02:54.490 Georgette Cole: Yes. 33 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:57.710 John Compton: Yeah, so, how are things in Washington? Grove. 34 00:02:58.296 --> 00:03:05.030 Georgette Cole: Pretty good. I was sorry to hear that Bob is is still on the intravenous antibiotics 35 00:03:05.390 --> 00:03:16.230 Georgette Cole: which Ernie and I don't love the sound of, but apparently the oral antibiotics they were giving him. He'd been through 2 courses, and they decided it just wasn't working 36 00:03:17.110 --> 00:03:17.780 Georgette Cole: so. 37 00:03:17.780 --> 00:03:23.459 John Compton: Wow! I didn't know anything about that. What? What are they? What is? What are they treating it for? 38 00:03:23.460 --> 00:03:24.015 Georgette Cole: Well. 39 00:03:25.100 --> 00:03:27.610 Georgette Cole: I haven't talked to Bob. I talked to Peggy. 40 00:03:28.188 --> 00:03:34.719 Georgette Cole: And she said it started several months ago, when they thought he had food poisoning. 41 00:03:35.070 --> 00:03:36.320 Georgette Cole: and 42 00:03:36.470 --> 00:03:38.860 Georgette Cole: he was really sick for 43 00:03:38.930 --> 00:03:41.569 Georgette Cole: a couple of weeks. I do remember that. 44 00:03:41.740 --> 00:03:46.510 Georgette Cole: and they thought that they had knocked it down. But then things got weird. 45 00:03:46.760 --> 00:03:52.900 Georgette Cole: and they decided that he had some sort of multiple drug resistant infection. And 46 00:03:54.660 --> 00:04:00.200 Georgette Cole: and and they were having trouble with like a lot of other blood parameters. 47 00:04:00.300 --> 00:04:01.300 Georgette Cole: So. 48 00:04:02.490 --> 00:04:09.940 John Compton: And this he wasn't in. He wasn't in a hospital, or how could he get a multiple drug resistant that's supposed. 49 00:04:09.940 --> 00:04:15.939 Georgette Cole: That. Yeah, that seems really strange. I I don't feel as though I have 50 00:04:17.850 --> 00:04:20.310 Georgette Cole: I don't feel as though I have a 51 00:04:20.440 --> 00:04:29.090 Georgette Cole: really clear picture of exactly what happened, and part of it, I think, is because Peggy's not that conversant with the medical terminology. 52 00:04:29.090 --> 00:04:29.820 John Compton: Right. 53 00:04:30.150 --> 00:04:32.610 Georgette Cole: So one of these, I'm gonna have to 54 00:04:32.700 --> 00:04:34.510 Georgette Cole: gird my loins and ask 55 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:37.440 Georgette Cole: Bob and see if he understands it better. 56 00:04:38.250 --> 00:04:43.119 Georgette Cole: But he looks really tired in meetings, so Ernie and I were worried about him. 57 00:04:43.420 --> 00:04:48.539 John Compton: Right. Well, if he's if he's suffering an infection, he's going to look dire, I'm sure. 58 00:04:48.540 --> 00:04:52.189 Georgette Cole: Yeah, she's Peggy says he's definitely better 59 00:04:54.060 --> 00:04:56.880 Georgette Cole: by like this past weekend. 60 00:04:57.430 --> 00:04:58.400 John Compton: Okay. 61 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:04.680 John Compton: So maybe he's maybe the infection has finally been taken care of. 62 00:05:05.430 --> 00:05:06.969 Georgette Cole: I'm hoping, yeah. 63 00:05:08.590 --> 00:05:09.940 John Compton: So good. 64 00:05:10.710 --> 00:05:18.199 John Compton: So okay, well, Barbara will be around. I see Kathy is waiting, and Bob 65 00:05:18.410 --> 00:05:19.500 John Compton: might be. 66 00:05:28.110 --> 00:05:30.729 John Compton: has the temperature been okay? I don't know. 67 00:05:30.730 --> 00:05:32.369 Georgette Cole: It's actually been really nice. 68 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:37.239 Georgette Cole: It's varying between fairly cool and just pleasant. 69 00:05:37.690 --> 00:05:38.910 John Compton: Great! I won't. 70 00:05:39.490 --> 00:05:41.149 Georgette Cole: It's actually been perfect. 71 00:05:42.940 --> 00:05:47.989 John Compton: well, the weather here on the river has been very, very nice. It's sunny. There's 72 00:05:48.220 --> 00:05:51.319 John Compton: virtually no clouds in the sky. 73 00:05:51.670 --> 00:05:54.529 John Compton: just no wind. I mean, it's pretty. 74 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:55.540 Georgette Cole: Oh, that sounds! 75 00:05:55.540 --> 00:05:56.190 John Compton: I don't. 76 00:05:56.190 --> 00:05:58.530 Georgette Cole: Perfect perfect time to be on a river. 77 00:05:58.530 --> 00:06:02.420 John Compton: Yeah, it's been amazing as far as that goes. So 78 00:06:03.400 --> 00:06:04.220 John Compton: so 79 00:06:08.350 --> 00:06:16.319 John Compton: yeah, it's it's interesting. You're very easy to. There's alarm. I gotta get rid of that. 80 00:06:20.140 --> 00:06:22.200 John Compton: Okay, that's gone. 81 00:06:28.230 --> 00:06:31.650 Georgette Cole: Liked Lisbon a lot when we were there. And 82 00:06:33.310 --> 00:06:34.450 Georgette Cole: is that 83 00:06:34.730 --> 00:06:35.660 Georgette Cole: Centra 84 00:06:35.780 --> 00:06:38.979 Georgette Cole: center near Lisbon is charming as well. 85 00:06:38.980 --> 00:06:41.699 John Compton: Yeah, maybe I should make a background with Centro. 86 00:06:42.320 --> 00:06:43.859 John Compton: Me see? Do I have? I may have. 87 00:06:43.860 --> 00:06:45.689 Georgette Cole: Oh, that would! That would be fun! 88 00:06:45.710 --> 00:06:48.930 John Compton: That would be cool. If I have one of my pictures on this. 89 00:06:50.060 --> 00:06:52.369 John Compton: on, on my ipad, I take them 90 00:06:52.510 --> 00:06:53.670 John Compton: elsewhere. 91 00:06:54.350 --> 00:06:56.600 John Compton: Let's see. Oh, if I can 92 00:06:57.650 --> 00:06:59.030 John Compton: see if I can get 93 00:07:01.260 --> 00:07:02.170 John Compton: or shock 94 00:07:05.450 --> 00:07:07.780 John Compton: okay favors, I thought I'd have one. 95 00:07:08.640 --> 00:07:09.709 John Compton: Oh. 96 00:07:11.750 --> 00:07:12.340 John Compton: yeah. 97 00:07:12.340 --> 00:07:13.320 Georgette Cole: Barbara. 98 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:18.439 John Compton: It's gonna be too big. 99 00:07:18.630 --> 00:07:20.060 John Compton: Maybe that's just the one. 100 00:07:22.950 --> 00:07:25.110 Georgette Cole: Oh, yes, that's perfect, John. 101 00:07:26.400 --> 00:07:27.280 Georgette Cole: Love it. 102 00:07:28.350 --> 00:07:29.602 John Compton: I have our 103 00:07:30.440 --> 00:07:32.406 Barbara: Hi, Jeff! 104 00:07:33.530 --> 00:07:41.179 Barbara: Well, you you don't let any stone go unturned. Everything is all organized for the meeting, and. 105 00:07:41.440 --> 00:07:46.250 John Compton: I hope so. I you know. I'm sure you can handle it without all my fussing, but. 106 00:07:46.250 --> 00:07:47.510 Barbara: Yeah, yeah. 107 00:07:47.510 --> 00:07:48.679 John Compton: That's about it. 108 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:53.538 Barbara: Let me ask you, though, if you're going to be on, shouldn't you be running it? Since you are the mayor. 109 00:07:54.705 --> 00:07:55.150 John Compton: The 110 00:07:55.300 --> 00:08:02.940 John Compton: my only concern is, it's hard to look at multiple documents on my ipad. I don't really have my! I don't have a laptop here. 111 00:08:04.090 --> 00:08:04.980 John Compton: So 112 00:08:05.580 --> 00:08:09.380 John Compton: since we plan on you doing it, why don't you just go ahead if you don't mind. 113 00:08:09.380 --> 00:08:16.449 Barbara: Okay, no, I don't mind at all. But yeah, so. But like your status is, what's your status gonna be then? Is 114 00:08:16.760 --> 00:08:18.069 Barbara: not really. 115 00:08:18.070 --> 00:08:20.080 John Compton: I'll just be observing 116 00:08:20.810 --> 00:08:22.119 John Compton: comment, but I certainly. 117 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:24.168 Barbara: You'll comment for sure. 118 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:27.539 John Compton: But only on on the material, so. 119 00:08:27.540 --> 00:08:32.549 Barbara: Yeah, well, I'm I'm reviewing all that storm water management stuff, and I don't know. 120 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:33.939 Georgette Cole: There's a lot of it. 121 00:08:33.940 --> 00:08:34.980 Barbara: I know 122 00:08:35.620 --> 00:08:37.520 Barbara: nobody wants to 123 00:08:37.630 --> 00:08:40.659 Barbara: make a decision. Well, that's. 124 00:08:40.669 --> 00:08:46.069 John Compton: Thing, so I may have to contribute there, because I I've repeatedly 125 00:08:48.069 --> 00:08:53.399 John Compton: tried to explain that, you know. Look, our priority is, we need to spend our Arpa money. 126 00:08:53.560 --> 00:08:54.800 Barbara: Right, but. 127 00:08:54.960 --> 00:08:57.310 John Compton: So we're going to contract for at least that amount. 128 00:08:57.460 --> 00:09:05.859 John Compton: We'll probably contract for more than that. Probably almost everything we have from the State bond as well. But we don't have to. 129 00:09:07.180 --> 00:09:12.370 John Compton: We need to. We need to do a contract for the actual work. 130 00:09:13.540 --> 00:09:19.729 John Compton: which is a combination of design and bill. So the challenge is to 131 00:09:20.730 --> 00:09:29.889 John Compton: pick one of the vendors, and then kind of negotiate with them before signing the contract at the maximum for our money. 132 00:09:29.890 --> 00:09:30.640 Barbara: Right. 133 00:09:30.970 --> 00:09:35.460 John Compton: We also want some money left over for somebody, which I think should be 134 00:09:35.660 --> 00:09:37.600 John Compton: Soltez. Jason. 135 00:09:37.610 --> 00:09:40.259 John Compton: oversee the thing. You've heard all this. 136 00:09:41.400 --> 00:09:47.320 John Compton: So you know, it's it's it's completely a matter of just deciding who we're going to 137 00:09:48.740 --> 00:09:50.559 John Compton: who are going to 138 00:09:52.040 --> 00:09:54.720 John Compton: try and give us of the 139 00:09:55.920 --> 00:09:58.769 John Compton: a balance of design and construction right. 140 00:09:58.770 --> 00:10:03.620 Barbara: But so so the question that I have as I was going through this is. 141 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:08.800 Barbara: if we're going to just negotiate this after we pick the vendor anyway. 142 00:10:09.070 --> 00:10:09.900 Barbara: like 143 00:10:10.090 --> 00:10:14.990 Barbara: we could just flip a coin right if they're both competent to do the work. 144 00:10:16.010 --> 00:10:26.400 Barbara: you know, and and if, like, they're saying, oh, well, biohabitats is over engineered. Well, we could say, Well, don't engineer it so much. Do something simpler, and it'll be cheaper. 145 00:10:26.790 --> 00:10:28.660 Barbara: You know what I mean. So. 146 00:10:29.510 --> 00:10:29.970 Georgette Cole: Have been. 147 00:10:29.970 --> 00:10:34.210 John Compton: Yeah, I agree with you. It it does sound like we could do either one that way. 148 00:10:37.580 --> 00:10:38.090 John Compton: hi. 149 00:10:38.090 --> 00:10:43.459 Georgette Cole: I I'm going to admit to having had my ear thoroughly bent by steam words. 150 00:10:43.460 --> 00:10:44.230 Barbara: Okay. But. 151 00:10:44.230 --> 00:10:48.030 Georgette Cole: I have not looked at all the stormwater management documentation. 152 00:10:48.080 --> 00:10:59.830 Georgette Cole: but has there been any consideration of using less bioswales and more of a sort of a staircase method to slow the water down and direct it toward bioswales, but less of them. 153 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:03.810 John Compton: Yeah, yeah, that's part of the thing. 154 00:11:04.200 --> 00:11:06.980 John Compton: Georgette, you're right. Just how many Bioswells? 155 00:11:07.410 --> 00:11:08.150 John Compton: Oh. 156 00:11:09.130 --> 00:11:14.200 John Compton: do we want to put Bioswells everywhere where we initially requested them. 157 00:11:14.400 --> 00:11:18.231 John Compton: Probably not. In in retrospect. 158 00:11:19.090 --> 00:11:29.189 John Compton: but that's exactly. That's the kind of thing that we need to negotiate with one of who about. They'll they'll do what we want. They're both capable of doing it either way. 159 00:11:31.140 --> 00:11:34.749 John Compton: And you know Bob would like to see a calculation as to what the. 160 00:11:34.750 --> 00:11:35.460 Barbara: Right. 161 00:11:35.950 --> 00:11:37.890 John Compton: The result would be if 162 00:11:38.130 --> 00:11:47.235 John Compton: either one. And you know I I think that's a good idea. That will. That, of course, will have a cost, but not that big. I don't think so. 163 00:11:48.350 --> 00:11:50.330 John Compton: whether whether we can 164 00:11:51.260 --> 00:11:57.490 John Compton: decide based on you know how much of that we can get versus how much actual installation. 165 00:11:59.640 --> 00:12:04.100 John Compton: yeah, it. It's it's not an easy thing to 166 00:12:05.110 --> 00:12:10.900 John Compton: figure, but it looks like I mean, according to. According to Smi, they could do the 167 00:12:12.030 --> 00:12:13.100 John Compton: within their 168 00:12:13.340 --> 00:12:19.800 John Compton: roughly within the budget, I mean, depending on very, very much on specifics. They could do that. 169 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:23.580 John Compton: That gravel wetlands down at the end of center 170 00:12:24.567 --> 00:12:27.779 John Compton: which would have the biggest effect on the woods. 171 00:12:28.160 --> 00:12:31.550 John Compton: probably, but the least effect on 172 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:33.930 John Compton: the residential area. 173 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:36.800 John Compton: We would be collecting the water down there 174 00:12:38.730 --> 00:12:39.410 John Compton: better. 175 00:12:40.920 --> 00:12:44.639 John Compton: But go ahead. You want to let everybody in and take over. 176 00:12:44.640 --> 00:12:46.880 Georgette Cole: I'll start start bringing people in. 177 00:12:46.880 --> 00:12:47.650 Barbara: Okay. 178 00:13:06.750 --> 00:13:07.320 John Compton: Hello! 179 00:13:31.430 --> 00:13:33.269 Robert Gilmore: Beautiful background. Where is that John? 180 00:13:35.680 --> 00:13:38.610 John Compton: that's a that's a photograph of a 181 00:13:38.980 --> 00:13:40.349 John Compton: of a of a 182 00:13:41.400 --> 00:13:42.947 John Compton: palace, I guess. 183 00:13:44.100 --> 00:13:45.980 John Compton: But Sentra 184 00:13:46.140 --> 00:13:53.760 John Compton: Portugal, that's outside of Lisbon, probably like 30 miles on a mountain, very much on the mountain 185 00:13:54.160 --> 00:13:55.650 John Compton: built by the 186 00:13:56.180 --> 00:13:59.359 John Compton: but King actually was the King consort at the time. 187 00:13:59.620 --> 00:14:02.530 John Compton: It's kind of a wild palace. 188 00:14:02.990 --> 00:14:05.080 John Compton: very, very 189 00:14:05.270 --> 00:14:07.249 John Compton: ornate, as you can see. 190 00:14:07.510 --> 00:14:10.690 John Compton: There's a lot more to it than what you're seeing. But 191 00:14:11.630 --> 00:14:15.639 John Compton: yeah, it was good. We were there on a beautiful day, obviously so. 192 00:14:15.640 --> 00:14:17.090 Robert Gilmore: Yeah, it's beautiful. 193 00:14:53.230 --> 00:14:54.960 John Compton: Yeah, I'm actually 194 00:14:56.370 --> 00:15:01.560 John Compton: on the Douro River, right at the border between Portugal and Spain. 195 00:15:02.020 --> 00:15:03.000 John Compton: where 196 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:09.440 John Compton: climate's somewhat drier. A lot of vineyards and olive trees and almond trees 197 00:15:09.830 --> 00:15:14.989 John Compton: on on the slopes. But definitely, the climate is in inland. Inland. 198 00:15:16.110 --> 00:15:23.140 John Compton: Climate's pretty amazing. And we're we're down in this valley. And this Internet connection is remarkably good, for 199 00:15:23.350 --> 00:15:26.570 John Compton: you know it's not a highly populated area. 200 00:15:26.590 --> 00:15:27.780 John Compton: to say the least. 201 00:15:31.810 --> 00:15:35.080 Robert Gilmore: Is it hot there, or still very warm? 202 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:42.020 John Compton: No? Well, yeah, it was very warm. It got to 82 degrees today. I think it's 203 00:15:42.320 --> 00:15:44.099 John Compton: high fifties right now. 204 00:15:44.330 --> 00:15:49.759 John Compton: Oh, okay, yeah. I know the weather here portable this time of year at least. 205 00:15:50.050 --> 00:15:53.159 John Compton: as advertised, is pretty much ideal. 206 00:15:54.700 --> 00:15:55.520 Robert Gilmore: That's great. 207 00:15:56.730 --> 00:15:58.409 Robert Gilmore: It's a beautiful day today. Here. 208 00:15:58.410 --> 00:15:58.850 Kathy Lehman: No. 209 00:15:58.850 --> 00:16:00.659 John Compton: Yeah, so I understand, that's. 210 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:01.640 Kathy Lehman: No. 211 00:16:01.640 --> 00:16:08.544 John Compton: Hey? You know you hate to go out of town when the weather's nice. But for you guys. 212 00:16:11.050 --> 00:16:11.610 John Compton: cook. 213 00:16:11.610 --> 00:16:19.090 Kriss Grisham: John, this, Chris, you probably maybe mentioned this when you know I I logged in late, but it's 1230 in the morning. There is that right? 214 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:20.549 John Compton: It is. Yeah, we're. 215 00:16:20.550 --> 00:16:21.550 Kathy Lehman: Bye, bye. 216 00:16:21.550 --> 00:16:22.660 John Compton: Hours ahead. 217 00:16:23.180 --> 00:16:24.560 Kriss Grisham: Wow! Oh, my! 218 00:16:24.560 --> 00:16:29.080 John Compton: Sorry. I probably wouldn't be asleep anyway, even if I was home so. 219 00:16:30.260 --> 00:16:33.229 Peter Nagrod: John, John, we will not. We will not be worrying. Don't worry. 220 00:16:33.230 --> 00:16:35.019 John Compton: I'm glad. I know you wouldn't be. 221 00:16:36.270 --> 00:16:36.940 Peter Nagrod: Yeah. 222 00:16:37.220 --> 00:16:38.300 Peter Nagrod: How'd that. 223 00:16:38.610 --> 00:16:40.809 John Compton: Don't you have to play ken tomorrow morning. 224 00:16:41.220 --> 00:16:48.830 Peter Nagrod: We're waiting. We expected you to be coming back for tomorrow. 6 o'clock. How long? How long is the flight to get here? 225 00:17:03.270 --> 00:17:05.089 Peter Nagrod: Are you ready? Are you ready. 226 00:17:05.099 --> 00:17:07.329 Patrice Klein: Slides from Portugal while we're waiting. 227 00:17:10.249 --> 00:17:15.149 John Compton: To keep keep changing my my background. I could. I could show photos or 228 00:17:15.189 --> 00:17:17.039 John Compton: not. Very well. 229 00:17:17.779 --> 00:17:18.304 John Compton: we're 230 00:17:18.939 --> 00:17:21.159 John Compton: or anything. So. 231 00:17:22.909 --> 00:17:27.209 John Compton: as most of. You know you have to take 10 pictures to get a good one. 232 00:17:30.220 --> 00:17:33.670 Patrice Klein: Advantage of all of our smartphones is, you can take a thousand of them. 233 00:17:33.990 --> 00:17:35.520 John Compton: Exactly, and then. 234 00:17:35.520 --> 00:17:37.060 Patrice Klein: And pick the one you like right. 235 00:17:37.060 --> 00:17:37.750 John Compton: Right. 236 00:17:38.560 --> 00:17:41.467 Patrice Klein: Compared to all the 35 film that. 237 00:17:41.790 --> 00:17:43.470 John Compton: Yeah, instead of wasting me. 238 00:17:46.800 --> 00:17:48.879 Peter Nagrod: Alright, Barbara! At 7, 30. 239 00:17:49.050 --> 00:17:51.310 Barbara: Okay, I'm ready to go, and I see all. 240 00:17:51.310 --> 00:17:51.820 Peter Nagrod: Town. 241 00:17:51.820 --> 00:17:53.120 Barbara: Counselors are here. 242 00:17:53.120 --> 00:17:53.830 Peter Nagrod: Yeah. 243 00:17:53.830 --> 00:18:22.879 Barbara: So I think we can get started. Thanks for keeping us on track, Peter. So we will open the meeting with the call to order tonight. As you. I'm the mayor pro tem. As you may or may not know, and you may see the mayor here as well, who says he's not gonna participate, but I have my doubts. We'll see, but I know he'll contribute a lot. But but I'm running the meeting in in any case. 244 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:29.030 Barbara: so the 1st item of business is to approve the agenda. Do I have motion to approve the agenda. 245 00:18:30.600 --> 00:18:31.950 Peter Nagrod: So moved. 246 00:18:32.180 --> 00:18:33.800 Eva Langston Patrone: I'll second Eva. 247 00:18:33.800 --> 00:18:37.749 Barbara: Okay, any changes, amendments. 248 00:18:38.810 --> 00:18:40.050 Barbara: additions. 249 00:18:41.410 --> 00:18:43.349 Barbara: Okay, all in favor. 250 00:18:44.980 --> 00:18:52.120 Barbara: Okay, now, this is a little tricky, because I don't always see everybody. 1, 2, 3, 4, 251 00:18:52.830 --> 00:18:56.830 Barbara: 5. Okay, that's 5. Okay? All okay. Great. 5, 0, 252 00:18:57.170 --> 00:19:11.779 Barbara: great. Okay, public appearances. So we're going to ask for if people have a public appearance for an item that's not on the agenda. If we, the item is on the agenda, please hold your public appearance until that time comes 253 00:19:12.486 --> 00:19:14.920 Barbara: anybody here for public appearance. 254 00:19:14.920 --> 00:19:15.460 Kathy Lehman: Barbara. 255 00:19:15.460 --> 00:19:16.080 Barbara: Yes. 256 00:19:16.080 --> 00:19:18.939 Kathy Lehman: If you are, if you if we just did a vote. 257 00:19:18.950 --> 00:19:22.349 Kathy Lehman: we only have 5 counselors there, or do we have 6. 258 00:19:23.560 --> 00:19:25.940 Barbara: Well, I'm not voting because I'm in a meeting. 259 00:19:25.940 --> 00:19:27.380 Kathy Lehman: Okay, that makes sense. Thank you. 260 00:19:27.380 --> 00:19:28.110 Barbara: Right. 261 00:19:29.550 --> 00:19:31.859 John Compton: Okay, my 1st non participation. You can. 262 00:19:33.280 --> 00:19:34.269 John Compton: You can vote. 263 00:19:34.990 --> 00:19:37.270 Barbara: Oh, I can vote. Okay? Well. 264 00:19:37.270 --> 00:19:40.080 John Compton: Yeah, I'm the only one who can't vote. So. 265 00:19:40.830 --> 00:19:41.840 Barbara: Okay. But 266 00:19:42.090 --> 00:19:46.959 Barbara: okay, it was 5. Nothing. Let's let's leave it at that. 5 5. Nothing. Okay. 267 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:47.630 Kathy Lehman: Thank you. 268 00:19:47.930 --> 00:19:54.149 Barbara: So, okay, so is there anyone here, then, for a public appearance? For an item that is not on the agenda? 269 00:19:56.560 --> 00:20:01.589 Barbara: Okay, there is not so. Let's move on to the treasurer's report. 270 00:20:01.870 --> 00:20:04.089 Barbara: I see that Jean is here. 271 00:20:04.330 --> 00:20:04.790 Jean Moyer: I. 272 00:20:04.790 --> 00:20:07.000 Barbara: And I will 273 00:20:07.060 --> 00:20:10.849 Barbara: go to the dropbox and pull up. 274 00:20:11.870 --> 00:20:21.049 Jean Moyer: And I was looking at what I submitted. I found a Boo boo, so I'll point that out and get a fresh copy to Christine 275 00:20:21.130 --> 00:20:25.150 Jean Moyer: and the council folk to have a good copy. 276 00:20:26.210 --> 00:20:26.920 Barbara: All right now I'm on. 277 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:27.470 Jean Moyer: Like to show you. 278 00:20:27.470 --> 00:20:28.540 Barbara: Share it. 279 00:20:28.540 --> 00:20:29.460 Jean Moyer: Yeah. 280 00:20:33.300 --> 00:20:37.360 Barbara: Alright, so you should be seeing it now. Can you see it? Everybody. 281 00:20:37.360 --> 00:20:38.290 Peter Nagrod: Yes. 282 00:20:38.580 --> 00:20:39.300 Barbara: Great. 283 00:20:39.550 --> 00:20:43.099 Barbara: Okay, Jean, do you want to walk us through what we need to know. 284 00:20:43.100 --> 00:20:46.760 Jean Moyer: Yeah. Yeah. So in the income. 285 00:20:47.200 --> 00:21:00.809 Jean Moyer: There's $500. It's on the wrong line at the bot towards the bottom of income. I I accidentally put it on the line for use of reserves. It belongs in miscellaneous revenues. 286 00:21:01.070 --> 00:21:01.929 Jean Moyer: so I'll make. 287 00:21:01.930 --> 00:21:02.630 Barbara: Oh! This is. 288 00:21:03.027 --> 00:21:04.220 Jean Moyer: Is it? Yes. 289 00:21:04.220 --> 00:21:06.550 Barbara: 500 years. Okay? 290 00:21:06.550 --> 00:21:22.250 Jean Moyer: 100. I will make the adjustment get clean copies out and in donations. We didn't have a budget item for donations, and we've got keep. Yeah, you you went past income. If you go back up there a bit. 291 00:21:22.480 --> 00:21:25.340 Jean Moyer: Terry Cox fund 292 00:21:25.610 --> 00:21:30.880 Jean Moyer: we've got. I've had 2 checks come for the Terry 293 00:21:30.950 --> 00:21:50.229 Jean Moyer: Cox Memorial. I was not able to make it. I was in California. This. I don't know exactly the the check. One check said it was a memorial fund, I believe that might be for a tree or something. I'll have to ferret that out. 294 00:21:50.450 --> 00:21:51.220 Barbara: Okay. 295 00:21:51.220 --> 00:21:56.330 Jean Moyer: But we do have 2 checks now. One was in August one came in September. 296 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:02.739 Jean Moyer: Now, if we go down to expenses, we're only 2 months in. There's really not 297 00:22:02.990 --> 00:22:10.270 Jean Moyer: much to talk about in the municipal buildings. If you continue 298 00:22:10.420 --> 00:22:11.715 Jean Moyer: scrolling. 299 00:22:13.910 --> 00:22:15.979 Jean Moyer: a little farther. Yeah. 300 00:22:15.980 --> 00:22:16.410 Barbara: Yes. 301 00:22:16.410 --> 00:22:20.320 Jean Moyer: The bathroom supplies with summer in the parks. 302 00:22:20.600 --> 00:22:26.750 Jean Moyer: We go through a lot of paper towels. You might imagine you get that many kids in a bathroom. 303 00:22:27.401 --> 00:22:30.630 Jean Moyer: Hand soap and paper towels, I just. 304 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:37.259 Jean Moyer: you know. So we're at 58%, and we're 2 months in. So I I'm thinking that that will 305 00:22:37.650 --> 00:22:43.560 Jean Moyer: drop off as we go forward. I'll keep an eye on that in the fire alarm 306 00:22:43.700 --> 00:22:50.989 Jean Moyer: there every 5 years there's a fire extinguisher repairs and maintenance that happens. 307 00:22:51.349 --> 00:22:55.979 Jean Moyer: I've only been doing this job for 3 years. I didn't know about this 5 year 308 00:22:56.150 --> 00:22:57.790 Jean Moyer: items. So 309 00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:17.079 Jean Moyer: you know, we're ahead of budget on that item. My guess is we'll ultimately go over a little bit because of that. But it's not a huge amount of money, but just put it pointing that out. In road resurfacing on the next page. 310 00:23:17.820 --> 00:23:30.139 Jean Moyer: This year. Yeah, that 33 to 62. We split the payment for to Laney for the road surfacing. 311 00:23:30.180 --> 00:23:31.275 Jean Moyer: and 312 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:39.930 Jean Moyer: a portion of it we were able to expense in fiscal 24, 313 00:23:40.020 --> 00:23:55.473 Jean Moyer: and the balance of it is in fiscal 25, so there should not be any more resurfacing. I don't know. The mayor might know if we're still doing some stop lines or some other small things. But 314 00:23:56.200 --> 00:24:04.259 Jean Moyer: You know we're done for this fiscal year for road resurfacing. We kind of killed 2 fiscal years with one big project. 315 00:24:04.410 --> 00:24:08.299 Jean Moyer: So I wanted to point that out. 316 00:24:08.560 --> 00:24:12.900 Jean Moyer: And that is the bulk 317 00:24:12.990 --> 00:24:15.509 Jean Moyer: of what I wanted to point out. 318 00:24:15.770 --> 00:24:23.339 Jean Moyer: I have a note down at on the last page our liability insurance, the rate increased. 319 00:24:26.540 --> 00:24:29.690 Jean Moyer: and it's not a huge 320 00:24:29.700 --> 00:24:30.913 Jean Moyer: problem. But 321 00:24:31.800 --> 00:24:34.206 Jean Moyer: we're going to talk with them. There's 322 00:24:35.080 --> 00:24:36.819 Jean Moyer: if we re 323 00:24:36.910 --> 00:25:00.906 Jean Moyer: or re-edit or update the personnel policy, there were some items they like to see in that. It's not a safety issue like a playground might be, but it was part of their review, and I am going to be doing an update of the personnel policy. Maybe next year. That will bring that rate back down. 324 00:25:01.500 --> 00:25:16.970 Jean Moyer: The bank balances are at the bottom as usual, and I've noted how much of the Arpa funds remain as long as we get that contracted by the end of the year. We're all good to go with the Federal Government 325 00:25:17.180 --> 00:25:21.350 Jean Moyer: on reporting on our use of the Arpa funds. 326 00:25:21.550 --> 00:25:27.269 Jean Moyer: and I did move in September to that 82,006 60. That was the check 327 00:25:27.340 --> 00:25:30.499 Jean Moyer: that went to Laney for the resurfacing. 328 00:25:30.550 --> 00:25:34.680 Jean Moyer: and it's being pulled 329 00:25:35.380 --> 00:25:37.909 Jean Moyer: out of Ml. GIP. 330 00:25:38.070 --> 00:25:42.939 Jean Moyer: To cover the large check in our that's going to hit our checking account. So 331 00:25:43.800 --> 00:25:46.700 Jean Moyer: that is the sum total of all my comments. 332 00:25:48.310 --> 00:25:53.259 Barbara: Okay. Does the Town Council have any questions or comments on the report. 333 00:25:53.820 --> 00:25:54.520 Peter Nagrod: No. 334 00:25:56.970 --> 00:25:59.260 Barbara: Okay, do I have a motion to accept. 335 00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:05.729 Peter Nagrod: So moved, since nobody else is. 336 00:26:05.730 --> 00:26:08.319 Eva Langston Patrone: I'll I'll second. I can't unmute fast. 337 00:26:10.630 --> 00:26:11.789 Barbara: All in favor. 338 00:26:14.140 --> 00:26:16.580 Barbara: Alright! I can't see everybody. 339 00:26:18.700 --> 00:26:21.000 Barbara: Alright. 340 00:26:22.260 --> 00:26:26.320 Barbara: Rob, are you a. Yes, I assume Rob, because I can't see you. 341 00:26:29.345 --> 00:26:30.190 Barbara: Okay. 342 00:26:30.786 --> 00:26:41.840 Barbara: So who? I'm really wait. Let me let me stop sharing. And then I can see who's who's here. Okay, this is better. Now. Vote okay. 1, 2, 3, 4. 343 00:26:42.870 --> 00:26:45.920 Barbara: Okay, yeah, I just wanna make sure 344 00:26:46.150 --> 00:26:53.170 Barbara: I'm documenting what's going on. Okay? So let's see, let's get that out of the way. 345 00:26:53.170 --> 00:26:55.099 Kathy Lehman: Going to vote. You're going to vote each time. 346 00:26:56.510 --> 00:27:04.279 Barbara: I'm I'm really not gonna vote, because, yeah, I'm not. Normally, if you're running the meeting, you don't vote. 347 00:27:04.460 --> 00:27:05.040 Peter Nagrod: Hmm. 348 00:27:05.930 --> 00:27:07.470 Barbara: Unless there's a tie. 349 00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:09.240 Barbara: Okay? 350 00:27:09.270 --> 00:27:25.549 Barbara: So on. To the mayor's report, we have kudos. There was a very big event, or lots of events in town over Labor Day. One of them was the new Terry Cox Fun Run, which I understand that Peter had a lot to do with, and there was a big. 351 00:27:25.550 --> 00:27:39.910 Barbara: whoopty whoop at the lake afterwards, which sounds really nice, and there are, of course, everything like this involves a lot of people chipping in and joining in some of the names that came up were Peggy Bohr. 352 00:27:39.910 --> 00:27:54.599 Barbara: Sarah Pernee, Milosnik, Arlene Mccrean, Lisa Balin, Christina Cuff, and lots of other people. So thanks for everybody. I mean, that's such a long standing tradition. It's such a nice thing for the town, so 353 00:27:54.740 --> 00:27:57.670 Barbara: I'm glad to know that it went really well. 354 00:27:57.700 --> 00:28:23.230 Barbara: we also had a new event just yesterday that Tom Land arranged. It was the contractors picnic, and I understand there are about 50 people there, and it was really nice, and it was postponed to make take advantage of the better weather yesterday, which was really a beautiful day, so it was really good to hear that. And and who knows? Maybe that'll become a town tradition as well? I don't know. We'll see. 355 00:28:23.470 --> 00:28:52.509 Barbara: And and I just wanted to give another shout out like one of the other town councillors mentioned this, that we really just have to recognize everybody who contributes to the town, because, especially when you're on the town council. You really see all that goes on behind the scenes that if you're just, you know, regular resident, you you don't see quite as much. And but it really takes a lot of people to to get things going to get things done. A lot of really competent people who put in a lot of time. So. 356 00:28:52.510 --> 00:28:54.119 Barbara: thanks to everybody for that 357 00:28:55.770 --> 00:29:18.480 Barbara: road work we had the paver guys here a few weeks ago, and I understand they did a great job, and that will want to work with them in the future is is the recommendation. And I understand that the project manager really responded to people about the parking, and when they were going to be there, and all those kinds of things. And so I'm really glad to know that that went really well. 358 00:29:19.610 --> 00:29:33.680 Barbara: The shared use pathway. There is a report in the Councillor reports, but basically the Department of Transportation is still waiting for permits for trees and environmental kinds of things. 359 00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:50.310 Barbara: And it's been really quite a long time waiting. So you know, we may. Wanna Sydney cat has really helped us with this a lot, so it may be a time to check in with them again and and see if they can get things moving, because when we talk to 360 00:29:50.310 --> 00:29:59.230 Barbara: the person the contact at in the county, you know she she knows what's going on, and she's enthusiastic, and it sounds like she's really working on things. 361 00:29:59.230 --> 00:30:17.160 Barbara: But then, when you see well, where's the result? You know, where's the actual progress? You know, it's really not what we would expect to see at this point. So we're we're still on top of that. We're still checking in, and maybe we'll we'll invite Sydney cats to help us again. 362 00:30:17.470 --> 00:30:38.710 Barbara: We are going to have a state of the district event at Mccatherine Hall on October 19th Delegate. Gabriel Acevero will be hosting a public event with the theme of environmental justice and to discuss our concerns, you know, as residents. So I encourage you to come out to that, and, you know, meet and greet and 363 00:30:38.770 --> 00:30:43.230 Barbara: let them know what you have to say about things and and your opinions, and and all of that. 364 00:30:44.190 --> 00:31:07.379 Barbara: We have our Dei training session on November 16, th from 9 to 12 9 Am. To 12 Pm. So please put that on your calendar. I hope that a lot of people in town will come. This is being led by leadership. Montgomery, which is a very strong nonprofit in the area, who has a lot of expertise in this. So I think it's going to be a really good event. 365 00:31:07.450 --> 00:31:26.400 Barbara: and just to refresh people's memory. The training is in 2 parts. The 1st part is for the entire town, or at least up to like 65, or 70 people, and then the second part will be for town leadership, like committee chairs and town counselors and people like that. So it's 366 00:31:27.100 --> 00:31:34.779 Barbara: 2 parts that really are linked together and will result in a plan that you know, we hope will respond to the needs of the town. 367 00:31:36.550 --> 00:31:50.179 Barbara: We also have parliamentary procedure training which is going to be for the town councillor and other leadership, like the commission chairs and and committee chairs, and that's going to be on October 13.th 368 00:31:51.390 --> 00:32:01.995 Barbara: The last thing I wanted to mention is speed bumps in town, you know, we a little item of controversy. I know we really want 369 00:32:02.420 --> 00:32:21.810 Barbara: to put them in the right places. Some people love them, some people hate them. Peter has kind of taken lead on this, and is talking to people. We haven't really made any specific recommendations for new speed bumps at this point. So if you have thoughts about where you think they should go. You should talk to Peter about that. 370 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:24.799 Barbara: So, Peter, did you want to add anything to that? 371 00:32:25.130 --> 00:32:31.700 Peter Nagrod: No, no, it's it's it's not controversial. But everybody does have an opinion on this. 372 00:32:31.900 --> 00:32:34.800 Peter Nagrod: So I'm I'm waiting for John to get back 373 00:32:34.990 --> 00:32:39.620 Peter Nagrod: before, before I burden him with this information that we can kind of strategize on it. 374 00:32:40.870 --> 00:32:41.340 Barbara: Okay. 375 00:32:42.790 --> 00:32:53.080 Barbara: Alright. So the next item on the agenda is the storm water infrastructure, maintenance contract award, and you may know that 376 00:32:53.130 --> 00:33:11.649 Barbara: there is a committee headed by Patty Klein, that has been working on this for many, many, many months, and has interviewed 2 contractors, and he said they, they. This committee developed the Rfp. Sent it out to the world. We had 2 377 00:33:11.810 --> 00:33:30.620 Barbara: pretty strong bids this committee and the Town Council interviewed the the bidders and asked a lot of questions, got a lot more information, and we and then the committee sort of compiled the information, and and I shared that with you, and I'll I'll put it up on the screen, too. 378 00:33:30.620 --> 00:33:50.390 Barbara: And so now we're gonna open up a discussion about this. So I just went over very broadly. I don't know, Patty, do you want to jump in with more of the details about what has been done that people should know about? And and then we can look at the material that that you submitted for the Council. 379 00:33:50.390 --> 00:33:52.909 Patrice Klein: Oh, sure, no, that's fine. And I I have 380 00:33:53.030 --> 00:34:03.879 Patrice Klein: the materials also, sort of, you know, minimized on my computer. But if you've got the same reports, whichever is easier to share screens. That's fine. I also have a copy of the 381 00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:10.539 Patrice Klein: map. If everybody wants something to, you know, visualize and and reference. But before we get into the granularity 382 00:34:10.893 --> 00:34:32.579 Patrice Klein: yeah, I mean, thank you, Barbara. I mean, 1st of all this, it's takes a village to do this right? I mean, it's a lot bit of everybody, you know, contributing their thoughts and perspectives. Obviously, in the early part, is just trying to frame out what this request for proposals would look like, and the section of town that we wanted to focus on, we were guided through some of that 383 00:34:32.580 --> 00:34:54.409 Patrice Klein: by some original reports by Soltez, the company that we actually had contracted with to do sort of a 10,000 foot view of kind, of a almost a roadmap of trying to give us some guidance on how to approach this this whole project. Remember, a lot of the beginnings of this was really about the damage that's happening in the West Woods. 384 00:34:54.409 --> 00:35:09.860 Patrice Klein: Those of us, of course, on the Woods Committee were really concerned about watching the erosion, the soil erosion, even watching the lake fence line, you know, chain link fence basically fall over on one edge and having to redo it over years. So we were watching all of this 385 00:35:10.240 --> 00:35:31.310 Patrice Klein: deterioration. It led us to talking with Soltez several years ago, to look 1st at the West Woods. They gave us a again sort of an overview of all the bad things that are happening there. But we said we need to look upstream literally upstream to see where the source of some of the flooding, and some of the 386 00:35:31.680 --> 00:35:37.810 Patrice Klein: volume of water was coming from in the West woods, just not to get too much on a tangent, but in the West Woods. 387 00:35:37.910 --> 00:35:44.389 Patrice Klein: The water that's flowing from the town across Washington Grove Lane and into the woods is only one aspect. 388 00:35:44.500 --> 00:36:13.659 Patrice Klein: The woods itself is also being inundated by water and and volumes of water that are coming from town, crest, and and other sources. But we had to focus initially on one aspect which was coming from, you know, the residential part of town. But in doing so, that's also hopefully trying to solve some of the in town problems that have been growing over the years so fast forward. We focused on doing an Rfp. A request for proposal specifically looking at 389 00:36:13.900 --> 00:36:17.029 Patrice Klein: this western section of town from Grove. 390 00:36:17.434 --> 00:36:24.720 Patrice Klein: Road or Grove Avenue, all the way over to Washington Grove Lane, and looking at how the water is channeling. 391 00:36:25.040 --> 00:36:54.210 Patrice Klein: you know, through that section of town, you know, on the roads, on the avenues, sometimes sheeting across, you know, residential properties, etc. And that was the Rfp. That we put out several months ago, and with again Jason Mills from Soltes, his good counsel. We walked through the town together, this sort of team or work group to identify these key work areas again. We can't solve everything all at once. But we wanted to sort of take a bite out of 392 00:36:54.210 --> 00:36:55.519 Patrice Klein: the big problem. 393 00:36:55.850 --> 00:37:12.780 Patrice Klein: And we identified these sort of 9 key work areas in town, some of them included culverts, you know. Those are little 2 pipes that go, like, you know, under a roadway that channel water from one end to the other. We also have we call natural swales, or these sort of little. 394 00:37:12.790 --> 00:37:19.729 Patrice Klein: I wouldn't call ditches, you know, sort of earth and ditches. We have a couple of different sort of minimal infrastructure 395 00:37:20.179 --> 00:37:27.990 Patrice Klein: systems that are in town, minimum being the operative word that have served us well for many years, but not so much anymore. 396 00:37:28.230 --> 00:37:38.930 Patrice Klein: And so, looking at those particular areas, we built this request for proposal, and with some guidance from Jason to suggest that we do what's called a design build. 397 00:37:39.230 --> 00:37:45.960 Patrice Klein: and forgive me. Don't let me wax too much into the, you know, sort of abstract, but the design build is 398 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.860 Patrice Klein: sort of a most efficient way. If I can express it that way. 399 00:37:50.160 --> 00:38:03.630 Patrice Klein: instead of going out and doing an engineering study 1st to hire a set of engineers to come in and basically look at all the math, all the calculations, all the flow rates, you know, and that's we need that. But instead of doing that as a separate study. 400 00:38:03.700 --> 00:38:13.870 Patrice Klein: which again, we also have a timeline that is ticking for us, based on some of the Federal money that we received, that we need to obligate that by December 31st of this year. 401 00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:25.940 Patrice Klein: So if we tried to do an engineering study in part, we felt that we would lose some time in getting that study done first, st and then having to go back out again with another Rfp. To do the construction. 402 00:38:26.160 --> 00:38:34.790 Patrice Klein: So some of these things are, I wouldn't say limitations. But they're they're the scenarios or the circumstances about which we're trying to 403 00:38:34.990 --> 00:38:42.750 Patrice Klein: be most efficient and most productive and have the best outcome for the investment of trying to do a combined design build 404 00:38:43.340 --> 00:38:51.870 Patrice Klein: which now we've realized with some of the bidders that we've tried to review also has some challenges to it, because we don't have the design done yet. 405 00:38:52.080 --> 00:39:02.589 Patrice Klein: you know. Granted. But that's part of what we're trying to review in the bids that came in is their vision. These contractors, visions of what they would consider 406 00:39:03.050 --> 00:39:11.750 Patrice Klein: the proper design, or an appropriate design to achieve the goals that we set forth in the Rfp. So I'll stop there. Does that work so far for everybody. 407 00:39:11.750 --> 00:39:13.059 Peter Nagrod: Yeah. Yes. 408 00:39:13.750 --> 00:39:19.260 Patrice Klein: Okay, and I'm checking to see if Jason made it on yet. Yeah, Jason, I think you're here. I see you. 409 00:39:19.260 --> 00:39:20.040 Lanham Zoom: I'm here. 410 00:39:20.040 --> 00:39:23.500 Patrice Klein: Okay, perfect. So did I say anything that you need to add to. 411 00:39:23.740 --> 00:39:30.510 Lanham Zoom: No, I think that was a good description to start with, and then I'll be here to answer any questions anybody has, and we can go over everything. 412 00:39:30.830 --> 00:39:57.529 Patrice Klein: Thank you, appreciate it. And for those of you who don't know this is Jason Mills from Soltez, who again had done some of those earlier reports to give us some initial overview and guidance, and has actually been our advisor on this project. And, by the way, Jason, just so, you know. So John John is here from Portugal at 1230 in the morning of maybe one o'clock by now, so he was able to join us. So I just want to let you know. 413 00:39:58.450 --> 00:40:11.819 Barbara: Yeah, yeah, thank you. Jason, for being here. This is Barbara. I'm running the meeting. I'm mayor pro tem. So, and thank you for all your work on this. So, Patty, should I put up one of these documents first, st or should. 414 00:40:11.820 --> 00:40:31.778 Patrice Klein: You put up the that sort of written summary review that just kind of encapsulates, I hope, as best as possible encapsulates. Kind of how this work group, which consists of Joan Haffy, Dave Cossin, Bob Boer, Steve Wurtz, and me. Of course, John has attended most of those conversations. 415 00:40:32.170 --> 00:40:48.029 Patrice Klein: and Peter, in the very beginning, you know, would Set sat in on some of the early meetings that we had even in trying to figure out. You know what kind of Rfp we want to put together. And obviously Jason has been sort of our guardian angel and guiding light on a lot of this 416 00:40:48.160 --> 00:40:52.999 Patrice Klein: so obviously other than the Council. Other folks have not seen this 417 00:40:53.430 --> 00:41:02.480 Patrice Klein: write up. I just made it truly sort of a briefing paper, or one pager that basically distills the idea that 418 00:41:02.530 --> 00:41:07.879 Patrice Klein: yes, we had this work group. I would say. We all put our best effort into 419 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:22.669 Patrice Klein: the meeting some of the challenges of creating the Rfp. Working through what the ask was, obviously getting in the bids. We got 2 bids that came in and then trying to figure out how to 420 00:41:22.690 --> 00:41:40.989 Patrice Klein: evaluate these bids? And what we discovered because it is a design build. So both companies in this case are giving us what they? What is their vision? What is their proposed? You know, solution right to meet the request that we put into the Rfp. 421 00:41:41.160 --> 00:41:44.049 Patrice Klein: And there's similarities. And there's differences. 422 00:41:44.950 --> 00:41:56.789 Patrice Klein: The bottom line is that both companies are excellent companies we've got. Certainly Jason has been kind enough to at least share his own, you know, sort of broad experiences, and these are both competent companies. 423 00:41:56.910 --> 00:42:17.830 Patrice Klein: They each would do, I'm sure, a very good job for us, you know, to to meet our needs and expectations. And so we struggled. If I am reflecting correctly, or work group members trying to be faithful to you, know your comments and your thoughts. But we did struggle. It's hard to compare. In some cases apples and oranges. 424 00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:30.320 Patrice Klein: One company tended to, let's say, envision a more robust solution in many cases, not to say it's right or wrong, just, you know, a way of going about 425 00:42:30.530 --> 00:42:36.400 Patrice Klein: responding to the sort of construction that they thought would be appropriate to help solve our 426 00:42:37.860 --> 00:42:55.019 Patrice Klein: or water problems, right or stormwater problems. And the other company was, I wouldn't say frugal. I think they were much more sort of efficient in their thought about, or functional pragmatic in their thought to say, Well, you know, here's how you solve this problem. You do A or B, and 427 00:42:55.030 --> 00:43:01.560 Patrice Klein: and both of them actually gave us alternative bids. So they gave us their primary bid, and then 428 00:43:01.950 --> 00:43:07.339 Patrice Klein: they also came back and gave sort of an alternative, one which in both cases was a little more frugal 429 00:43:08.189 --> 00:43:10.439 Patrice Klein: but still trying to compare 430 00:43:10.450 --> 00:43:23.210 Patrice Klein: in different work areas each company's proposed solution or approach to solving that part of the sort of stormwater flow was some was difficult to compare. 431 00:43:23.230 --> 00:43:28.259 Patrice Klein: you know, side by side. So we I did at least take a step back and say. 432 00:43:28.460 --> 00:43:30.500 Patrice Klein: what are what are our needs? What 433 00:43:30.710 --> 00:43:35.540 Patrice Klein: are things that would just truly help us move forward. But we also have a budget. 434 00:43:36.090 --> 00:43:37.539 Patrice Klein: and we really. 435 00:43:37.790 --> 00:43:48.279 Patrice Klein: to the extent can can exceed the budget that we said we had a cap based on the Federal and State funding that we have, and that was really what we said as our 436 00:43:48.500 --> 00:43:50.380 Patrice Klein: our funding, you know, limit. 437 00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:54.400 Patrice Klein: And so that was part of, I think, our interpretation of 438 00:43:54.650 --> 00:44:00.379 Patrice Klein: what they offered to do for us. It may not be the final product, because they still each company. 439 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:11.789 Patrice Klein: whichever company we decide on is still going to have to do that engineering survey, they're still gonna have to sort of get, you know, down and dirty and crunch the numbers. Some things may change for sure, but 440 00:44:12.140 --> 00:44:22.940 Patrice Klein: one company exceeded our budget, and the other company just about came in at our upper limit. So that's kind of where we are at this point. 441 00:44:22.940 --> 00:44:24.000 TELEPHONE_USER: Donna Schreiner. 442 00:44:24.810 --> 00:44:25.760 Patrice Klein: Oops! So. 443 00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:27.069 TELEPHONE_USER: Join the meeting. 444 00:44:27.070 --> 00:44:35.140 Patrice Klein: Are there any questions so far, or for the work group? Any of our members wanted to add anything, at least to this sort of one pager. 445 00:44:35.950 --> 00:44:41.040 Barbara: Can we just have a a give a list of who was on the work group? Just so we can recognize them. 446 00:44:41.040 --> 00:45:01.109 Patrice Klein: If you look at the top paragraph the opening paragraph, we have Bob Boer, Dave Cossen, me, Joan Mahaffy, Steve Wurtz. And then, as I said, John, Mayor Compton and Jason did participate in most of our meetings, you know, not necessarily influencing us per se, but just part of the active discussion. 447 00:45:01.110 --> 00:45:02.240 Barbara: Okay. 448 00:45:03.750 --> 00:45:04.700 Barbara: so, 449 00:45:09.030 --> 00:45:11.480 Peter Nagrod: I? Yeah, I have. I have just one comment. 450 00:45:11.530 --> 00:45:15.169 Peter Nagrod: and that's, I think most of us, you know. 451 00:45:15.260 --> 00:45:17.699 Peter Nagrod: dealt with contracting and bidding. 452 00:45:17.870 --> 00:45:20.449 Peter Nagrod: and when an Rfp comes out 453 00:45:20.750 --> 00:45:24.750 Peter Nagrod: and there's a ceiling as far as what we're asking them to do. 454 00:45:24.780 --> 00:45:34.380 Peter Nagrod: Normally, if a bidder comes in 45% over that that person that that bidder is disqualified. I know there's only 2. I'm just. I'm just wondering 455 00:45:35.009 --> 00:45:39.410 Peter Nagrod: why, that's another bigger factor in all these discussions. 456 00:45:42.020 --> 00:45:42.749 Lanham Zoom: Well, I I think. 457 00:45:42.750 --> 00:46:06.929 Patrice Klein: Even with the paving that we've done like the road paving we have sometimes in other bids, gotten, you know, pretty, or even in the landscaping. We've gotten pretty extreme, I would say extreme. But you know very different quotes that I've witnessed over the years. I remember, even with some landscapers depending on who they were. Some came in really high, some came in really low. I don't remember that we automatically disqualified them. I mean. 458 00:46:06.930 --> 00:46:13.979 Peter Nagrod: Well, those are. But did we give them a a ceiling? Pro do we give it? Do an Rfp. Where we said, this is the amount. 459 00:46:13.980 --> 00:46:18.689 Patrice Klein: That's a good point. So I don't know. In those cases we just actually put out an Rp and said. 460 00:46:18.730 --> 00:46:21.970 Patrice Klein: This is what we need tell us how much you know you would 461 00:46:22.060 --> 00:46:27.749 Patrice Klein: charges for it. Right? In this case we actually did have a a ceiling that we hit. 462 00:46:27.750 --> 00:46:28.090 Peter Nagrod: Right. 463 00:46:28.090 --> 00:46:34.019 Patrice Klein: And I, you know John, may be willing to at least comment on that, but we knew that we had X amount of dollars. 464 00:46:34.410 --> 00:46:34.730 Peter Nagrod: That's. 465 00:46:34.730 --> 00:46:44.610 Patrice Klein: It out with Jason a little bit to say, do we even want to say to them, say to, you know, in our Rfp. This is, you know, we want you to only write to this amount of money. I think initially, we 466 00:46:45.170 --> 00:47:01.489 Patrice Klein: didn't do that. But then, you know, when the guys came out to do the site visit and walk around town. I mean, that was a question that came up, which was a fair question, and John did tell them this is the upper limit for every company that came out and and did the walk with us. He told them what our upper limit was. 467 00:47:01.490 --> 00:47:05.979 Peter Nagrod: And so and so they were. They were actually allowed to give us a second bid right? 468 00:47:06.910 --> 00:47:09.899 Peter Nagrod: But they still didn't come within our. 469 00:47:10.030 --> 00:47:10.889 Lanham Zoom: Well, 2 things. 470 00:47:10.890 --> 00:47:11.480 Peter Nagrod: And I said. 471 00:47:12.010 --> 00:47:24.010 Lanham Zoom: And I wanted, yeah, I wanted to highlight 2 important things. One is, we always knew that we thought we were going to be over the amount because we wanted to get some numbers from them. 472 00:47:24.110 --> 00:47:25.739 Lanham Zoom: That was above 473 00:47:25.870 --> 00:47:27.719 Lanham Zoom: what we thought we had to spend. 474 00:47:27.750 --> 00:47:34.739 Lanham Zoom: and so we threw a little bit more work in than we thought was feasible for them to get in within the budget. 475 00:47:34.760 --> 00:47:41.770 Lanham Zoom: Okay. So we were trying to get them, not trying. But we wanted to see some budgeting for future stuff to be potentially over it. 476 00:47:42.150 --> 00:47:55.580 Lanham Zoom: Number one, number 2, with with this type Rfp, we encourage them to provide any additional information that may assist them with the pricing. So it's not 477 00:47:55.620 --> 00:48:03.950 Lanham Zoom: uncommon for them in this type. Bid situation to say, here's what you asked for. And here's some suggestions that we think you should look at. 478 00:48:04.330 --> 00:48:07.610 Lanham Zoom: So those those 2 things are normal in this type of bit. 479 00:48:10.620 --> 00:48:31.649 Patrice Klein: Thank you. Jason. Yeah. For example, like that gravel wetland at the base of Center and Washington Grove Lane. Originally we weren't going to include that, we decided to include it in part. Just so we wanted itemized work areas, right? You wanted to see the cost per work area. And if we decided we would postpone. Let's say something that was a 480 00:48:32.020 --> 00:48:39.529 Patrice Klein: sort of expensive you know, cost or development, that when we might put aside to get the rest of the work done. 481 00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:41.820 Barbara: So 482 00:48:42.260 --> 00:48:44.429 Barbara: there is a sense of 483 00:48:45.140 --> 00:49:02.290 Barbara: once we decide the contractor, we're gonna prioritize certain areas over another. So one of the issues that came up in. The report is one of the companies over engineered, or I I forget what the right word was. 484 00:49:02.890 --> 00:49:19.130 Barbara: so isn't it possible that we could. If we like with a contract, or better, we could say, Well, we we like we like you better. We want to give you the contract, but this is too much. Let's change it a little bit. Let's tweak it and bring it down to a better price. 485 00:49:19.180 --> 00:49:30.959 Barbara: You know to me like that makes it even harder to compare, because these things are not static. They're, you know, after the bid is let, then we're going to be negotiating with them. 486 00:49:31.130 --> 00:49:38.339 Barbara: So that kind of, adds a layer of complexity. Or maybe maybe Jason, is that something that you can address like. 487 00:49:38.680 --> 00:50:06.689 Lanham Zoom: Yeah, I I always feel like in these. And I tried to stress this to the team. When you look at everything and I, and I think they did a good job of this before. They really looked at the pricing. They talked about what they liked with both the contracting team and the engineering team between the 2, and what were sort of the benefits and the results. Then they looked at the pricing. And you and you kind of have to make a discussion of both of them 488 00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:10.829 Lanham Zoom: to decide what is your 489 00:50:11.560 --> 00:50:13.570 Lanham Zoom: best way forward? 490 00:50:14.330 --> 00:50:39.870 Lanham Zoom: I think that. A as was sort of demonstrated here. The difference between the 2 bids is that you have one that is a contractor that's hired an engineer, and one that's an engineering firm that's hired a contractor, and they kind of have a different feel to them when you both look at them, and when you see how they work through the work. So and there's not a 491 00:50:39.930 --> 00:50:42.259 Lanham Zoom: right or wrong 492 00:50:42.796 --> 00:51:06.949 Lanham Zoom: way to do it with it. It's more that the 2 have different approaches. I like to equate it to you know, you guys have all probably had work done in your house and and some people come in and they are very informative, and have everything laid out to a T up front. 493 00:51:07.030 --> 00:51:17.880 Lanham Zoom: and other people come in, and you kind of work through it with the contractor, and they do it in the end. You still get what you want. It's just a question of kind of 494 00:51:17.930 --> 00:51:22.179 Lanham Zoom: how the process works. With the 2 495 00:51:22.430 --> 00:51:27.260 Lanham Zoom: and then and then, lastly, you look at the pricing, and you decide, you know 496 00:51:27.450 --> 00:51:32.750 Lanham Zoom: one of the bids the biohabitats bid has more engineering 497 00:51:33.436 --> 00:51:35.660 Lanham Zoom: cost associated with it. 498 00:51:35.820 --> 00:51:42.019 Lanham Zoom: and there is a benefit to that, and you have to weigh out if that benefit 499 00:51:42.080 --> 00:51:43.210 Lanham Zoom: is 500 00:51:43.380 --> 00:51:44.510 Lanham Zoom: worthwhile. 501 00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:47.270 Lanham Zoom: And you know 502 00:51:47.770 --> 00:51:55.330 Lanham Zoom: it's it's more a question of you looking at the work that you have, and judging to make sure of of what you want. 503 00:51:57.270 --> 00:52:10.129 Peter Nagrod: Yeah, that's all fine. But the thing is that there's 2. There's 2 contractors, one which is saying, Okay, we can do this work for this amount and money, we have another one. That's saying we can do this mount. But we can. But this 504 00:52:10.300 --> 00:52:19.329 Peter Nagrod: 40, whatever percent. More than that, once we make our decision, we're we're stuck with one of these 2, these contractors. 505 00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:20.510 Peter Nagrod: And if 506 00:52:20.850 --> 00:52:22.180 Peter Nagrod: Biohabitat 507 00:52:22.270 --> 00:52:32.070 Peter Nagrod: says, spends, you know, if they come back and say, Well, this is actually after we've looked at all this, all this design, this is all we can do. Then that's all we're going to get. 508 00:52:32.300 --> 00:52:35.859 Peter Nagrod: And I I just don't understand. If I was, if I was 509 00:52:36.080 --> 00:52:40.109 Peter Nagrod: doing, if I was having some contractors come in and do my house. 510 00:52:40.610 --> 00:52:45.510 Peter Nagrod: I don't think I don't think any of us would have a hard time deciding which of these 2 we would be going with. 511 00:52:46.090 --> 00:52:46.979 Patrice Klein: So let me comment. 512 00:52:46.980 --> 00:52:48.400 Peggy Koniz-Booher: Could I speak to. 513 00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:57.049 Patrice Klein: Bob. Just second. I I see your hand up. I just wanted to finish up that thought with Peter. So one of the things I mean biohabitats is the engineering firm. 514 00:52:57.170 --> 00:53:15.870 Patrice Klein: you know again, well respected. And they do partner with a construction company to actually, you know, do the construction work. And then Smi is predominantly the general contractor, the contracting company, and then they partner with engineer who comes in and helps them, you know, do all the specs and stuff. The one thing I 515 00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:27.509 Patrice Klein: personally just me was concerned about is, as Peter had suggested, so biohabitats. One of their comments in our meeting with them was to say, you know again, they've exceeded both in their 516 00:53:27.884 --> 00:53:37.320 Patrice Klein: original proposal or bid. And then, in their alternative, they still came in at, you know 1.2 or $990,000, you know, on either end. 517 00:53:37.610 --> 00:53:49.650 Patrice Klein: and one of the questions we said is, well, I know you still have to do all the engineering and the actual calculations. And you know all that kind of stuff once we decide which one to work with. But even so. 518 00:53:49.950 --> 00:53:56.790 Patrice Klein: if their vision is, you know that robust. And then they said, Well, you know, even if 519 00:53:56.800 --> 00:54:13.160 Patrice Klein: you know, you sort of run out of money, basically that we would suggest this is biohabitats. Do the engineering study. 1st get that done, and then if you have some money left over, then you could probably do. One or 2 of you know your priority construction sites, or you'll just, you know, continue to look for more money. 520 00:54:13.810 --> 00:54:22.019 Patrice Klein: That is a different approach to me than for the other company. Smi, to say, Okay, we'll work within, you know your budget 521 00:54:22.230 --> 00:54:51.089 Patrice Klein: more or less so I don't understand how one company like Peter was talking about. If you hire somebody for your home, and they say, Well, we really think we need to spend, let's say, $900,000, and you ask them to come down another 25% to meet your budget. There's some stuff you're not going to get done right? So that's that was kind of where I was falling out myself. Now, you know, we had some discussions within our work group. We didn't come to Consensus 100. 522 00:54:51.090 --> 00:54:58.299 Patrice Klein: We had some, you know differences of opinion at the end of the day, whichever company we feel most comfortable with 523 00:54:58.720 --> 00:55:07.710 Patrice Klein: whichever one will, we still have to have them do that design, study that engineering part of it in order to hone in on exactly what 524 00:55:07.770 --> 00:55:12.200 Patrice Klein: is, you know what the actual costs will be and what we have. I'm just looking at 525 00:55:12.270 --> 00:55:19.750 Patrice Klein: right now. These proposals, which I still think are substantive. The proposals say company number one. 526 00:55:19.980 --> 00:55:37.669 Patrice Klein: Biohabitat says, well, initially, 1.2 million, or we can, you know, kind of knock it down, adjust some things, and then it would be $990,000. It's still over our budget. The other company, again, is kind of teetering between what 690 and 7, 50 plus or minus. 527 00:55:37.720 --> 00:55:40.249 Patrice Klein: And yet, you know, they're doing things at a 528 00:55:40.530 --> 00:55:44.959 Patrice Klein: sort of more pragmatic approach. I'll stop there because Bob wants to say something. 529 00:55:45.660 --> 00:55:50.869 Peggy Koniz-Booher: Yeah, I I think that we're in in danger of of 530 00:55:51.330 --> 00:55:57.940 Peggy Koniz-Booher: comparing things that aren't really comparable here in term. When we when we start talking about the numbers here. 531 00:55:58.516 --> 00:56:24.710 Peggy Koniz-Booher: because, the we did not put out a set of bid documents that each of these companies would bid on the same project. We put out some ideas and some thoughts and some goals, and we asked the companies to to put their minds minds to the to the project and come up with ideas that they thought would be feasible. 532 00:56:25.141 --> 00:56:37.200 Peggy Koniz-Booher: This is this, the the numbers are very difficult to to compare, for for various reasons. One. There's different elements in each one of them, as as Patty pointed out 533 00:56:37.899 --> 00:56:43.630 Peggy Koniz-Booher: but one of the one of the biggest things is that the biohabitats 534 00:56:44.174 --> 00:57:02.680 Peggy Koniz-Booher: assumed that that all but 2 or 3 of the areas would need Montgomery County permitting. So they essentially were designing to those standards, to the standards that would would pass Montgomery County standards. 535 00:57:02.810 --> 00:57:09.899 Peggy Koniz-Booher: and have the documentation to to actually submit for Montgomery County permits. 536 00:57:10.729 --> 00:57:25.469 Peggy Koniz-Booher: Smi did not. They are assuming that they're. I think only one of them would would require a permit. That's a big deal. The the other big big dollar dollar issue in the bioswales 537 00:57:25.630 --> 00:57:54.350 Peggy Koniz-Booher: was that Smi calculated that there would be no under drains needed, and what under drains are is at the bottom of the bioswale, 3 feet down is a pipe, and that pipe then, has to go to what they call daylight. It has to go out into another sewer, or it has to run out on some other other place. So from that 3 foot down there's a pipe that runs all all the way to to get the water out. 538 00:57:54.500 --> 00:58:01.759 Peggy Koniz-Booher: Biohabitats included those, and in in their pricing of the bioswales. And Smi did not. 539 00:58:01.790 --> 00:58:12.233 Peggy Koniz-Booher: So when we look at when we look at the at the 2 2 proposals. The dollar figures are are really not the the most most 540 00:58:12.670 --> 00:58:14.559 Peggy Koniz-Booher: important elements. 541 00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:25.080 Peggy Koniz-Booher: and we didn't put it out as a bit. So we, you know, it's not like they went over over bid say, we asked them to give us proposals so we could see what they could do. 542 00:58:25.850 --> 00:58:26.420 Peggy Koniz-Booher: I thought. 543 00:58:26.720 --> 00:58:27.130 Patrice Klein: Fires. 544 00:58:27.473 --> 00:58:28.160 Peter Nagrod: Quit this. 545 00:58:28.160 --> 00:58:38.100 Patrice Klein: On the Bios whales just to follow up. Both companies had talked about bioswales, but even when I went back and looked at Smi aside from the what they call the under 546 00:58:38.120 --> 00:58:43.930 Patrice Klein: ground piping that would connect, you know, one swell to the next and kind of sequentially move water. 547 00:58:44.400 --> 00:59:08.100 Patrice Klein: Even the Smi that was put in there did not come up to the same cost as biohabitats, and the question would be, is, are they using in this case. What we call a bioswale is a little more complicated than a natural earthen swale. It has more layers, and it actually has a tendency to retain water more, and allow some of that eventually to either absorb or eventually slowly percolate 548 00:59:08.100 --> 00:59:20.950 Patrice Klein: out. So in both companies. Yes, they mentioned bioswales, but the one company seemed to just have them as much more expensive than the other, and the question about permits permits, I think, is still on the table 549 00:59:21.410 --> 00:59:27.499 Patrice Klein: just to know whether we would need permits for any of the bioswales, or or only in certain areas. 550 00:59:27.500 --> 00:59:32.030 Peggy Koniz-Booher: Yeah, I I think we should have Jason speak to that, since he spoke to us as a group. 551 00:59:32.030 --> 00:59:33.009 Patrice Klein: That's a good idea. 552 00:59:33.890 --> 00:59:35.820 Peter Nagrod: Eva. Eva has something to say 553 00:59:39.060 --> 00:59:40.000 Peter Nagrod: or not. 554 00:59:40.310 --> 01:00:07.850 Eva Langston Patrone: Yes, sorry I was muted. That was one of my questions is, do we need the permits or not? Because that seems to make a big difference, and I guess Jason's gonna speak to that. And then I was also wondering, the the engineer that Smi partners with, and the contracting company that biohabitats partners with were those partner anyone from those partner companies involved in this? Did they come out? Because I guess my thought is like. 555 01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:22.760 Eva Langston Patrone: well, if Smi has to get an engineer to come out that could. And and do you know, work, I don't know that could drastically change what they're proposing, I would think. Anyway, I'll let Jason speak to the permits, and I'll sort out. 556 01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:25.179 Lanham Zoom: So I I think I can address both 557 01:00:25.220 --> 01:00:26.130 Lanham Zoom: things. 558 01:00:27.100 --> 01:00:28.890 Lanham Zoom: so Smi 559 01:00:28.950 --> 01:00:36.439 Lanham Zoom: has hired an outside engineer. He's a small company, one to 2 man shop, and 560 01:00:36.910 --> 01:00:44.110 Lanham Zoom: andy has been doing this at least that I know of. I've worked with him for probably the last 10 561 01:00:44.240 --> 01:00:49.540 Lanham Zoom: years. And so. But you're talking a a small shop. 562 01:00:49.570 --> 01:00:58.750 Lanham Zoom: Biohabitats a little bit bigger and does a little bit more as far as the permitting question. It's a fine line between the projects. Okay. 563 01:00:59.330 --> 01:01:12.639 Lanham Zoom: the work that is out next to Washington Grove Lane, that is of a large enough scale. It has to be permanent. There's no question. Both engineering firms totally agree on it. 564 01:01:13.070 --> 01:01:27.399 Lanham Zoom: The laying of the pipe, for example, and the retrofit of the the stuff is in. There's a maintenance ability within the code to allow you to come in and do maintenance within the public right away. 565 01:01:27.440 --> 01:01:53.050 Lanham Zoom: So, for instance, when Montgomery County comes out and fixes a pipe, or does minor work within the the public right away? They don't go and get a permit for all of it. Okay, so there's a fine line there. And and Smi is basically saying, Hey, I think we can break up the projects and keep it on the lesser side of the permitting. And biohabitats is saying, we think we need to take it to the further side. Permanent. 566 01:01:57.592 --> 01:02:01.700 Patrice Klein: Another comment. I'm just sort of cherry picking here. Forgive me. But 567 01:02:01.950 --> 01:02:09.880 Patrice Klein: in looking at the work areas, one of our major concerns for those of you. Just in broad sort of envisioning is Chestnut Avenue. 568 01:02:10.130 --> 01:02:12.360 Patrice Klein: so Chestnut Avenue 569 01:02:12.620 --> 01:02:16.160 Patrice Klein: again as an avenue. That's where the 570 01:02:16.390 --> 01:02:22.840 Patrice Klein: Wssc. Sewer and water lines in general sewer and water lines run along the avenues right, and then they 571 01:02:22.860 --> 01:02:25.840 Patrice Klein: feed into the various private properties. 572 01:02:25.870 --> 01:02:34.339 Patrice Klein: Chestnut Avenue is one of the main avenues where there's a lot of water that is sheeting across from a little further up, like from Chestnut Road. 573 01:02:34.340 --> 01:02:35.179 Peggy Koniz-Booher: Then she took. 574 01:02:35.180 --> 01:02:46.940 Patrice Klein: In some cases some of the private properties. And right now there's been a lot of, I think over time, soil, erosion, things that have kind of settled out along Chestnut Avenue, and it is a problem. 575 01:02:47.349 --> 01:02:52.330 Patrice Klein: For water that's coming down. Let's say oak and center. Okay, just to kind of put that in your head. 576 01:02:53.126 --> 01:03:00.049 Patrice Klein: So one of the concerns we had is I, if I remember correctly. So biohabitats actually wanted to put bioswales 577 01:03:00.200 --> 01:03:07.199 Patrice Klein: and segmentally, I think, but along Chestnut Avenue, and one of the concerns that some of us had raised was 578 01:03:07.740 --> 01:03:29.809 Patrice Klein: to actually install a bioswale which again requires, you know a certain depth what 3 feet or or so, or maybe more, but it includes these layers of like gravel and sand, and eventually towards the top you get, you know, sort of soil or or grass at the top, but it is a layered process, because it allows water to come in and act like a sponge, right and absorb and retain. 579 01:03:30.080 --> 01:03:34.990 Patrice Klein: and eventually some of it may still percolate out. But putting something that is. 580 01:03:35.070 --> 01:03:38.970 Patrice Klein: I would say, you know, costly enough right to put down 581 01:03:39.000 --> 01:03:46.600 Patrice Klein: lengths of Center Avenue, including, I'm sorry. Chestnut Avenue, including behind the church, leading, you know, behind the church parking lot 582 01:03:47.100 --> 01:03:58.930 Patrice Klein: that sort of entire length on either side of of Centre Street would not only be a lot of the expense, but also if Wssc. For whatever reason, had to come in and dig up a sewer or water line. 583 01:03:59.150 --> 01:04:04.190 Patrice Klein: They potentially could damage that bioswale. And again, we'd have to figure out how to, you know. 584 01:04:04.420 --> 01:04:07.780 Patrice Klein: repair it. So we tried to look at 585 01:04:08.150 --> 01:04:28.770 Patrice Klein: avoiding bioswales down, sent Chestnut Avenue and doing things like earth and swales or other options, and there again is kind of a difference between what we saw in biohabitats proposal which again, not saying, It's right or wrong, it's just that was their version. And then, in the other case Smi looked at, actually doing more of 586 01:04:29.210 --> 01:04:42.119 Patrice Klein: a regrading in a way of certain parts of Chestnut Avenue that would create more of a berm which then would create a natural sort of earthen swell or ditch on one end, to try to again contain 587 01:04:42.150 --> 01:04:59.449 Patrice Klein: water, to prevent it from flowing further into some of the residential properties. So like I said, it is hard. Bob made a good comment, too, about, you know, hard to sometimes compare apples and oranges, but when you're thinking about what's your functional? And to me it's pragmatic. But what's your functional outcome 588 01:04:59.670 --> 01:05:12.489 Patrice Klein: on top of that, the Bioswales? I think one company mentioned it might have been Smi, regardless of who puts them in and where they go. By the way, we have a lot of trees and a lot of leaves in town. So every fall. 589 01:05:12.500 --> 01:05:18.389 Patrice Klein: what's going to happen is you're going to get a dump of leaves everywhere, right, as we know, including 590 01:05:19.210 --> 01:05:23.640 Patrice Klein: those leaves that would fall into all these bioswales. Those need to be cleaned out 591 01:05:23.900 --> 01:05:27.030 Patrice Klein: because you don't want to clog up the sort of 592 01:05:27.070 --> 01:05:31.740 Patrice Klein: capacity of the bioswale to sort of receive, retain, and percolate water. 593 01:05:32.050 --> 01:05:41.740 Patrice Klein: And so that was another piece of information is to say, we do want some bioswales in certain places, and in some cases they were actually going to be along the roadways. 594 01:05:42.040 --> 01:05:44.849 Patrice Klein: not the avenues for various 595 01:05:44.950 --> 01:05:48.899 Patrice Klein: connection purposes, and channeling of water. 596 01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:58.559 Patrice Klein: And so we have to also be mindful depending on where and if and how many bioswales we want to be installed is, we also have to clean them out every year. 597 01:05:59.220 --> 01:06:01.430 Patrice Klein: or keep them clean from leaves 598 01:06:01.520 --> 01:06:11.449 Patrice Klein: leaves. Excuse me. So again, I'm getting sort of into some of the granularity. We tried to put that into the pros and cons spreadsheet that I also sent to the Council 599 01:06:11.650 --> 01:06:34.339 Patrice Klein: that was getting more into some of the details. Everyone on the work group had an opportunity to kind of submit their pros and cons for each of the 2 contractors what you liked and you know and say, liked and didn't like. But what you saw was an advantage or a positive, and, what was maybe more, of a detriment, or maybe sort of a, you know, disadvantage to working with that company again. They're both good companies. 600 01:06:34.730 --> 01:06:38.099 Patrice Klein: but looking at some of the details of what they proposed. 601 01:06:38.170 --> 01:06:42.300 Patrice Klein: and again I take their proposal seriously. It may change, depending on 602 01:06:42.720 --> 01:06:47.090 Patrice Klein: what they finally, you know, calculate, do their engineering study, etc. 603 01:06:47.250 --> 01:06:51.229 Patrice Klein: But this is what we have to go on right now, is what they proposed. 604 01:06:51.390 --> 01:06:54.580 Patrice Klein: including their estimated cost. 605 01:06:54.940 --> 01:06:56.140 Peggy Koniz-Booher: Okay. 606 01:06:56.381 --> 01:06:58.070 Barbara: Rob, did you want to say something? 607 01:06:59.140 --> 01:07:02.850 Robert Gilmore: Yeah, 1st of all, thank you. Patty. 608 01:07:03.350 --> 01:07:11.064 Robert Gilmore: and thank you for the the entire work group. I I gather. And I think, Patty, you alluded to 609 01:07:11.600 --> 01:07:13.819 Robert Gilmore: the fact that there was not unanimity. 610 01:07:13.870 --> 01:07:14.609 Robert Gilmore: And 611 01:07:15.650 --> 01:07:20.009 Robert Gilmore: I I think it. It would be helpful if the others could 612 01:07:20.490 --> 01:07:28.480 Robert Gilmore: briefly share their perspectives. And if the other members have a recommendation, I I 613 01:07:28.660 --> 01:07:40.939 Robert Gilmore: it's not clear I'm putting aside the the cost issue, and we can decide whether there's really only one qualifying bid, in which case, you know, if that's what we want to do, then we we have. 614 01:07:40.970 --> 01:07:44.959 Robert Gilmore: I mean, even even Smi is higher. But I I think. 615 01:07:45.160 --> 01:07:48.479 Robert Gilmore: since it seems that there couldn't wasn't consensus. 616 01:07:48.860 --> 01:07:54.680 Robert Gilmore: could we hear from the the others about their view? And if anyone has a recommendation. 617 01:07:56.350 --> 01:07:58.750 Peter Nagrod: What are you saying that Patty made a recommendation. 618 01:08:00.290 --> 01:08:11.551 Robert Gilmore: No, Patty, I didn't hear Patty to be making a recommendation. I thought what Patty said was that there? The the working group didn't reach a consensus on 619 01:08:12.090 --> 01:08:31.939 Robert Gilmore: recommending one of the 2 bidders. And so I was wondering. Given that there wasn't consensus. We we've heard a lot from Patty, which I understand you were leading the group, but I just was wondering if others could briefly share their thoughts, and if any of the members did have a recommendation for the Council that would be helpful to hear. 620 01:08:32.979 --> 01:08:34.779 Patrice Klein: Well, we didn't have unity. 621 01:08:34.779 --> 01:08:40.599 Peter Nagrod: So you're saying information that we have a very complete report that they gave us, which I assume 622 01:08:40.719 --> 01:08:41.939 Peter Nagrod: represents 623 01:08:42.029 --> 01:08:49.399 Peter Nagrod: the you know, the the total the total group. So are you saying that they would share information? That's not in this report. 624 01:08:51.550 --> 01:08:53.850 Robert Gilmore: I am. I'm saying exactly. 625 01:08:53.850 --> 01:08:54.500 Dave Cosson: Okay. 626 01:08:54.500 --> 01:08:57.010 Robert Gilmore: Not, and not not to be difficult. 627 01:08:57.010 --> 01:08:57.550 Peter Nagrod: Yeah. 628 01:08:57.550 --> 01:09:23.160 Robert Gilmore: Peter. But I I'm just saying exactly what I just said, which is, Patty said. Here's the report. The report doesn't have a recommendation for us to pick one or the other. She was explicit about that, I think I heard her say, because there wasn't consensus given that there wasn't consensus I'm just wondering if we could hear briefly from the others on the working group. I mean, if you don't want to. 629 01:09:23.160 --> 01:09:23.630 Barbara: No, no. 630 01:09:23.630 --> 01:09:25.220 Robert Gilmore: Your thoughts. That's fine. 631 01:09:25.220 --> 01:09:30.370 Barbara: I I think that's a fair question, because I I do feel like we're 632 01:09:30.910 --> 01:09:51.120 Barbara: we're sort of like 50 50 right now. And and if somebody has another opinion. That's gonna you know that they feel strongly about like like, let's let's hear it. And we we can consider it doesn't mean we're, it's gonna make us decide that way. But but yeah, we, I think if people do want to speak up with their opinion or their recommendation. 633 01:09:51.819 --> 01:10:17.972 Robert Gilmore: Yeah, yeah, I'm not trying to put the members on the spot if they didn't, don't have anything else to add. Besides what? And Patty's comments were very helpful. I'm not trying to. This is not a critique, Patty. Thank you very much for your work, and that was a very thorough presentation. But at the end of the day we are left with the working group, not making a recommendation to us, understanding, you know, making observations and presenting the pros and cons of each 634 01:10:18.339 --> 01:10:21.349 Robert Gilmore: and and that's fine. I mean we, you know I don't. 635 01:10:21.549 --> 01:10:25.529 Robert Gilmore: Maybe it would have been good, but maybe it wasn't really feasible here. 636 01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:34.969 Barbara: And and we do have a document with the pros and cons. So after, if somebody does want to speak up after that we can go, move to that document and take a look at that. 637 01:10:37.120 --> 01:10:40.940 Patrice Klein: Yeah, that's why I anonymize the pros and cons just to 638 01:10:41.360 --> 01:10:43.210 Patrice Klein: keep it sort of holistic. But 639 01:10:43.700 --> 01:10:49.789 Patrice Klein: absolutely, I'll be happy to share my personal opinion, but I'll leave it to the rest of the working group to share theirs. First.st 640 01:10:49.790 --> 01:10:51.319 Robert Gilmore: Yeah, that'd be great, Patty. 641 01:10:51.320 --> 01:10:55.090 Joan Mahaffey: I'd like to say that this is a summary. 642 01:10:55.350 --> 01:10:58.760 Joan Mahaffey: None of this that is presented is new to the group. 643 01:10:59.030 --> 01:11:03.070 Joan Mahaffey: We all had a chance to evaluate the 2 bids pro and con 644 01:11:03.290 --> 01:11:04.130 Joan Mahaffey: and 645 01:11:05.540 --> 01:11:11.109 Joan Mahaffey: These summaries are part of our discussion. We had several meetings about this. 646 01:11:11.830 --> 01:11:13.330 Joan Mahaffey: The 2 companies 647 01:11:13.860 --> 01:11:17.110 Joan Mahaffey: You know a pie in the sky versus clevering 648 01:11:17.905 --> 01:11:25.329 Joan Mahaffey: with pie in the sky being bio habitat, and the more clever being smi 649 01:11:27.360 --> 01:11:32.660 Joan Mahaffey: And but this does reflect the work of the group. This is not Patty's opinion. 650 01:11:34.610 --> 01:11:43.960 Robert Gilmore: No, I I wasn't suggesting that I the opposite. I understand this is the reflects the the group. It's just there's not. 651 01:11:44.010 --> 01:11:50.270 Robert Gilmore: It doesn't contain a recommendation. And so I was just asking if the members of the work group 652 01:11:50.500 --> 01:12:11.820 Robert Gilmore: did have their own view, Patty. It sounds like Patty had her own view, about which one she would recommend, and and others might as well. I just wanted to have an opportunity for any of the members of the group who did want to share their own personal recommendation if they had one. I just wanted to make sure they had the opportunity to do that. It would be helpful, I, for me at least. 653 01:12:12.130 --> 01:12:13.202 Eva Langston Patrone: Yeah, me, too. 654 01:12:15.560 --> 01:12:20.139 Dave Cosson: I can. I can make a couple of comments with not necessarily a a 655 01:12:20.190 --> 01:12:22.770 Dave Cosson: a recommendation, but that 656 01:12:22.820 --> 01:12:29.260 Dave Cosson: I I think my feeling was I wanted to see how the Council 657 01:12:29.290 --> 01:12:35.809 Dave Cosson: reacted to the pros and cons and and the discussion statements to see 658 01:12:35.830 --> 01:12:37.170 Dave Cosson: were the 659 01:12:37.480 --> 01:12:38.750 Dave Cosson: councils. 660 01:12:39.060 --> 01:12:44.840 Dave Cosson: Priorities were in order that the working group, you know, might 661 01:12:45.120 --> 01:12:52.290 Dave Cosson: then have an idea. We'll say, well, no, all right. This group or that. This bidder or that bitter better meets. 662 01:12:52.350 --> 01:13:09.390 Dave Cosson: You know what you're what you're looking at? And a couple of things in the discussion that came on on to Peter's point. As to you know, why did we even consider the the high bid? And I I for for me personally, anyway, it was 663 01:13:09.580 --> 01:13:12.305 Dave Cosson: the is there at least, 664 01:13:13.080 --> 01:13:15.000 Dave Cosson: fancier engineering. 665 01:13:15.441 --> 01:13:31.829 Dave Cosson: you know, gave us the opportunity which Patty mentioned, that you know, to get all the spend, all or most of our money on engineering, and then the engineering would be done. So when we later came up with more money, we could. 666 01:13:32.060 --> 01:13:36.419 Dave Cosson: you know, finish finish the project. So I I think it's it's worth those 667 01:13:36.660 --> 01:13:49.610 Dave Cosson: still keep them in the in the film, and in reaction to to Eva's question about the engineer. Their their engineer was, you know, is is part of the bid. It's not that 668 01:13:49.710 --> 01:13:58.579 Dave Cosson: after we get the bid they will go out and look for an engineer, and, in fact, he was very prominent in the question and answer sessions. We had 669 01:13:58.620 --> 01:14:07.259 Dave Cosson: sessions with each bidder and answering questions, and SMS engineer was was very 670 01:14:07.736 --> 01:14:15.359 Dave Cosson: sort of their their lead spokesman in in that. So he he's well worked into them, as far as that goes. But 671 01:14:15.940 --> 01:14:18.980 Dave Cosson: you know, I thought we just need to get some. 672 01:14:19.910 --> 01:14:26.450 Dave Cosson: whether we ever make a recommendation or not, we need to have some council feedback on after they've 673 01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:30.599 Dave Cosson: do all this stuff. And and finally, just to 674 01:14:31.820 --> 01:14:32.740 Dave Cosson: you know. 675 01:14:33.020 --> 01:14:35.200 Dave Cosson: reiterate Bob's Point 676 01:14:35.320 --> 01:14:36.440 Dave Cosson: business 677 01:14:36.460 --> 01:14:38.699 Dave Cosson: comparison is very difficult. 678 01:14:38.750 --> 01:14:41.320 Dave Cosson: and these between these 2 things. 679 01:14:42.570 --> 01:14:54.523 Barbara: Oh, okay, I've put up the pros and cons document and I feel like we're not really making progress in in coming to a decision. 680 01:14:55.540 --> 01:14:55.960 marywarfield: Barbara. 681 01:14:55.960 --> 01:14:58.540 Barbara: I see. Mary. Yeah. Mary has her hand up. Go ahead. 682 01:14:58.540 --> 01:15:02.120 marywarfield: I'm just wondering if we spent all the money we have 683 01:15:02.230 --> 01:15:12.570 marywarfield: for engineering. Then nothing's been fixed, and then we have to go find like a half a million dollars someplace to have it done. I'm just confused as to what 684 01:15:12.620 --> 01:15:27.999 marywarfield: what the plan would be if we if we picked that, you know, more detailed and maybe long term pie in the sky view. I mean, what what would we do if we just ended up at the end with engine an engineering plan, I mean, where are the funds going to come? Come from? To 685 01:15:28.160 --> 01:15:29.070 marywarfield: to do it? 686 01:15:30.650 --> 01:15:35.569 Dave Cosson: I guess some some work done, but but not all of it. 687 01:15:36.080 --> 01:15:36.840 Dave Cosson: There's. 688 01:15:37.440 --> 01:15:38.200 marywarfield: Have no way of. 689 01:15:38.200 --> 01:15:43.019 Dave Cosson: Because they they do, they do break it down between engineering and construction. So we. 690 01:15:43.130 --> 01:15:44.329 Dave Cosson: you know, we. 691 01:15:44.330 --> 01:15:46.319 Lanham Zoom: I would select. 692 01:15:46.710 --> 01:15:50.769 Lanham Zoom: I I would say one thing. Whenever you guys take the final firm 693 01:15:50.840 --> 01:16:01.959 Lanham Zoom: you're going to. And we talk about this in the working team. They're gonna go to about a 30% design, which is they've surveyed everything they have, what they 694 01:16:02.690 --> 01:16:07.479 Lanham Zoom: know they can deliver. They won't have every detail, but they'll know what they can deliver. 695 01:16:07.490 --> 01:16:11.449 Lanham Zoom: And that's where you're going to evaluate and say. 696 01:16:11.700 --> 01:16:22.760 Lanham Zoom: for instance, Hey, we want you to put in this, this and this, because that's within the budget. And maybe instead of doing this over here, we want you to do this design work. You still have 697 01:16:22.810 --> 01:16:27.370 Lanham Zoom: a point in the process where you're going to manipulate it to get 698 01:16:27.590 --> 01:16:28.740 Lanham Zoom: the best 699 01:16:30.080 --> 01:16:40.109 Lanham Zoom: delivery you can. But to your point. And I think it's it's something to consider between the 2 bids is no matter what 700 01:16:40.340 --> 01:16:44.640 Lanham Zoom: one bidder is going to deliver. 701 01:16:45.194 --> 01:16:52.750 Lanham Zoom: By the way, it's shaking out in the way it's projecting on here. One is probably going to deliver a little bit more product. 702 01:16:52.960 --> 01:16:55.610 Lanham Zoom: One would deliver a little bit more engineering. 703 01:16:55.790 --> 01:17:02.569 Lanham Zoom: Okay, that's the way they're both set up, that's clear. There that could be, and that engineering could be a 704 01:17:03.085 --> 01:17:10.059 Lanham Zoom: more enhanced design. It could be it has better landscaping in it. Things like that 705 01:17:10.650 --> 01:17:21.280 Lanham Zoom: could be there. So don't but you will get something because you're going to maneuver. It won't be all engineering, so it could think of it as a 706 01:17:21.340 --> 01:17:26.039 Lanham Zoom: 20% sway between engineering and delivered product. 707 01:17:26.370 --> 01:17:29.700 Peter Nagrod: Yeah. But Jason, 30% of 708 01:17:30.020 --> 01:17:34.730 Peter Nagrod: 700,000 versus 7, 30% of 1.2 million 709 01:17:35.110 --> 01:17:36.600 Peter Nagrod: is a big difference. 710 01:17:36.900 --> 01:18:05.520 Lanham Zoom: No, no, I don't mean 30% of the dollar figure. I mean, 30% of they've done a 30% design. So if you were thinking in the architectural world, this would be like an Sd schematic design where they come in and they go. Okay, we know we can deliver this bioswale. Here we you know, we have the gas line plotted. We have the sanitary sewer looked at. We have the water. We've got everything figured out in the area, and we know we can put a bioswale here. 711 01:18:05.540 --> 01:18:09.930 Lanham Zoom: and they will be able to say to you, and this bios whale from 712 01:18:10.020 --> 01:18:31.317 Lanham Zoom: here to here is gonna cost you $250,000. To do this over here is gonna cost you this, hey? We we suggest that we do a berm here on Chestnut, just picking a random place instead of a bioswale, because you get more bang for your buck, and it avoids this problem that you have. Like, whatever it could be right? 713 01:18:31.710 --> 01:18:38.800 Lanham Zoom: at the 30% design, they'll be able to do that. What they won't do is fully detail all the engineering. 714 01:18:38.940 --> 01:18:57.000 Lanham Zoom: Okay? So that's where they can still accept, you know. Hey, let's go. Do this. Let's go. Do that, hey? Let's make this a little bit longer and use money. There, let's make this a little bit shorter and do this, and that's the way the proposals written is to allow that flexibility so that 715 01:18:57.070 --> 01:19:00.959 Lanham Zoom: you can sit there and dictate the design as you go through 716 01:19:01.090 --> 01:19:11.380 Lanham Zoom: the the as you work your way through the design, and it's not a hard and fast thing. The important thing to look at here 717 01:19:11.430 --> 01:19:14.210 Lanham Zoom: is the budgets that both are providing 718 01:19:15.290 --> 01:19:16.120 Lanham Zoom: and 719 01:19:16.200 --> 01:19:20.040 Lanham Zoom: decide. You know what type of 720 01:19:20.230 --> 01:19:25.519 Lanham Zoom: of firm and group. Do you want doing this? 721 01:19:25.590 --> 01:19:29.909 Lanham Zoom: If you think the work is closer to maintenance, right? 722 01:19:30.150 --> 01:19:38.670 Lanham Zoom: That's closer to what you have with an Smi. If you think the work is closer and needs more design? 723 01:19:38.810 --> 01:19:43.169 Lanham Zoom: That's what you have with biohabitats. Neither one is 724 01:19:43.190 --> 01:19:45.829 Lanham Zoom: wrong or right. It's just sort of 725 01:19:46.080 --> 01:19:51.359 Lanham Zoom: the approaches the 2 took are going to be more down and dirty 726 01:19:51.840 --> 01:19:56.870 Lanham Zoom: with Smi. They're gonna deliver what they said, but it's gonna be a little 727 01:19:56.880 --> 01:19:57.920 Lanham Zoom: more 728 01:19:58.292 --> 01:20:18.230 Lanham Zoom: straightforward. And if you if you look at their proposal and the breakdown, they said, you know we're gonna try to be more budget minded and and go after this biohabitats is taking the stance of. We want to be a little bit more creative, a little bit more engineering, a little bit more design elements to it. 729 01:20:18.350 --> 01:20:21.750 Lanham Zoom: and both are good. It's what you as a 730 01:20:21.880 --> 01:20:23.110 Lanham Zoom: community, want to 731 01:20:23.746 --> 01:20:26.253 Lanham Zoom: pay for due. Okay, 732 01:20:27.030 --> 01:20:31.050 Robert Gilmore: Jason. It can't be that both are right. 733 01:20:32.480 --> 01:20:33.899 Lanham Zoom: It can't. I mean it. 734 01:20:33.900 --> 01:20:42.510 Robert Gilmore: No, I'm sorry one of these approaches is got to be the one more likely to successfully mitigate 735 01:20:42.730 --> 01:20:43.620 Robert Gilmore: the 736 01:20:44.570 --> 01:20:52.200 Robert Gilmore: the the storm water problems that we have in town. And and here's my concern. 737 01:20:52.390 --> 01:21:03.029 Robert Gilmore: And this kind of gets back to something. That maybe a year ago Bob Bob Boer raised on on, I think, in a town council meeting. 738 01:21:03.370 --> 01:21:08.410 Robert Gilmore: which is how do we know this is actually going to work? 739 01:21:08.730 --> 01:21:17.150 Robert Gilmore: We could go with the the less expensive Smi bid that has significantly less engineering and more work 740 01:21:17.360 --> 01:21:21.730 Robert Gilmore: and and things will get built and more more will get built and done. 741 01:21:21.940 --> 01:21:24.150 Robert Gilmore: But what if that's money? 742 01:21:24.260 --> 01:21:28.049 Robert Gilmore: Flush down the drain pun intended? Not that it's funny. 743 01:21:28.564 --> 01:21:47.385 Robert Gilmore: Because there wasn't sufficient engineering work to determine if the work that Smi is doing actually is the right work, the best work designed the right way to achieve our objectives. We will have built stuff built more than it seems like the same amount of money with the 744 01:21:47.840 --> 01:21:52.540 Robert Gilmore: approach from from with the bid that that biohabitats was offering. 745 01:21:52.740 --> 01:21:55.119 Robert Gilmore: But it seems less clear. 746 01:21:55.710 --> 01:21:56.560 Robert Gilmore: And 747 01:21:57.210 --> 01:22:02.519 Robert Gilmore: Jason, too. You you said like it's really what what the town would prefer. 748 01:22:02.640 --> 01:22:13.950 Robert Gilmore: I mean. Sure, at at one level we are the Town Council's ultimate decision makers. But I'm not equipped to make an informed judgment as to which approach we should make. We have 749 01:22:13.990 --> 01:22:17.670 Robert Gilmore: the, the, the the budget issue. 750 01:22:17.940 --> 01:22:22.049 Robert Gilmore: It's a constraint of of a sort. 751 01:22:22.565 --> 01:22:35.699 Robert Gilmore: But it's not a permanent constraint, right? I mean there. Well, it's likely we'd be able to get more money. It may not be a good use of money to spend all of it engineering, or it actually may be the best use. 752 01:22:36.000 --> 01:22:51.990 Robert Gilmore: and I have no idea, and I don't think anyone else on the town Council has any idea. And so this is, I think, what we're looking for for Soltes as the owner's engineer and the the working group. As well to just, you know, hopefully make 753 01:22:52.490 --> 01:23:02.119 Robert Gilmore: informed recommendations, and and I I and again, this is the the pros and cons in the summary is is very helpful. 754 01:23:03.390 --> 01:23:04.230 Robert Gilmore: but 755 01:23:04.840 --> 01:23:05.889 Robert Gilmore: I'm not. 756 01:23:06.750 --> 01:23:15.850 Robert Gilmore: I'm not sure I have the ability to make a a good decision at this point on behalf of the town, which is my job. 757 01:23:15.850 --> 01:23:18.589 Barbara: Right. Oh, go ahead, Jason! 758 01:23:18.870 --> 01:23:26.839 Lanham Zoom: So just to give you I I you asked a couple of questions on me in there, and I I'll give you my thoughts on it. 759 01:23:26.950 --> 01:23:28.000 Lanham Zoom: That'd be great 760 01:23:28.280 --> 01:23:31.159 Lanham Zoom: because you're doing a design build. 761 01:23:31.490 --> 01:23:32.590 Lanham Zoom: Okay. 762 01:23:33.520 --> 01:23:37.760 Lanham Zoom: you're not producing a drawing that the 763 01:23:38.200 --> 01:23:42.820 Lanham Zoom: contractor has to bid on and go forward 764 01:23:42.960 --> 01:23:45.200 Lanham Zoom: when your Smi. 765 01:23:45.290 --> 01:23:48.279 Lanham Zoom: And this is the sort of difference that you see in the bids. 766 01:23:48.470 --> 01:23:52.779 Lanham Zoom: The engineer is going to produce enough to convey what needs to be done. 767 01:23:52.870 --> 01:23:55.200 Lanham Zoom: Okay. So, for example. 768 01:23:56.620 --> 01:23:58.670 Lanham Zoom: if you need a pipe replaced 769 01:23:58.890 --> 01:23:59.870 Lanham Zoom: in the road. 770 01:24:00.220 --> 01:24:06.249 Lanham Zoom: how much information do you need to replace the pipe when you're the contractor. 771 01:24:07.050 --> 01:24:08.890 Lanham Zoom: Whenever it's 772 01:24:09.210 --> 01:24:11.340 Lanham Zoom: biohabitats doing it. 773 01:24:11.400 --> 01:24:15.370 Lanham Zoom: They're since they're not the contractor, they're the 774 01:24:15.560 --> 01:24:21.979 Lanham Zoom: engineer. They have to make sure that everything is perfectly locked down. 775 01:24:22.450 --> 01:24:29.929 Lanham Zoom: My equivalent to this is, and I'm equating it to housework because people have gotten houses, Redone 776 01:24:30.040 --> 01:24:39.750 Lanham Zoom: is say, you're getting your kitchen, Redone. Sometimes you need to do a full plan to explain to the contractor exactly what you envision it to be. 777 01:24:39.980 --> 01:24:52.539 Lanham Zoom: Other times you're able to talk to them. They sketch something out on a piece of paper and say, Hey, we're going to put the stove here. We're going to put the the refrigerator here, and we're going to put the sink here, and you get everybody's like, yep, that's exactly what I want. 778 01:24:52.630 --> 01:24:58.049 Lanham Zoom: and in the end you both of them. You get the ref the kitchen, Redone. 779 01:24:58.270 --> 01:25:05.829 Lanham Zoom: Sometimes in some situations you need a higher level, because you want to make sure the contractor does it exactly right. 780 01:25:05.980 --> 01:25:13.009 Lanham Zoom: Other times, when you tell the contractor you've got $30,000 to do this, or $100,000, whatever number you want to pick. 781 01:25:13.280 --> 01:25:21.119 Lanham Zoom: and he says, Yep, I can get it done for that, and everybody goes forward. There's, I think, the big thing to understand here is that 782 01:25:21.440 --> 01:25:29.950 Lanham Zoom: in both situations you have to assume, you're going to get a product that works. One of the reasons why we talk about the 30% design 783 01:25:30.070 --> 01:25:44.850 Lanham Zoom: is it's going to deliver. And it's really important. Because we mentioned this in the in the proposal is that they have to tell us what the benefit to the town is at the 30%. Hey, we're going to control this much water. 784 01:25:44.900 --> 01:25:56.439 Lanham Zoom: This is the result. So whenever you guys look at the pricing, at the 30%, you're able to say, look, we can spend $200,000 here, and we get this result. We can spend 785 01:25:56.530 --> 01:26:05.539 Lanham Zoom: $400,000 here and we get this result. And you can plug and play, and make sure that it's delivering the best bang for the buck. 786 01:26:06.030 --> 01:26:12.140 Lanham Zoom: I am. And keep in mind. Here, guys, I'm an engineer, right? I like engineering. 787 01:26:12.230 --> 01:26:13.490 Lanham Zoom: I think it's 788 01:26:13.600 --> 01:26:15.720 Lanham Zoom: something that is needed, and 789 01:26:15.960 --> 01:26:18.840 Lanham Zoom: both Smi and 790 01:26:19.385 --> 01:26:36.919 Lanham Zoom: biohabitats are proposing engineering. So don't think of it as one is doing a lot. And one, you know, and one's doing none. It's more like one is not using the engineering document to convey to the contractor what needs done perfectly. He can sit there and say. 791 01:26:37.210 --> 01:26:46.679 Lanham Zoom: Hey, we're going to do this, this and this and the contractor like, Yeah, I understand or no, I don't. Can you provide me a little bit more information, because he's ultimately paying for everything. 792 01:26:46.970 --> 01:26:50.940 Lanham Zoom: whereas with biohabitats they have to get everything down 793 01:26:51.330 --> 01:26:56.799 Lanham Zoom: just perfectly, because they're hiring the contractor, and if they don't show enough 794 01:26:56.930 --> 01:27:03.290 Lanham Zoom: and they make a mistake, it's on them to pay for it, not on the contractor. 795 01:27:03.310 --> 01:27:07.440 Lanham Zoom: So that's the difference. If the contractor doesn't quite have enough information. 796 01:27:07.470 --> 01:27:11.470 Lanham Zoom: He'll figure it out or put it together, because it's all riding on him. 797 01:27:11.710 --> 01:27:14.169 Lanham Zoom: So that's the difference between the 2, 798 01:27:14.260 --> 01:27:17.629 Lanham Zoom: the 2 proposals. And 799 01:27:17.720 --> 01:27:23.849 Lanham Zoom: and I kind of said this to the working team. And I I think it's important for you guys to consider. 800 01:27:24.190 --> 01:27:29.330 Lanham Zoom: I think if you are going to build the gravel wetland. 801 01:27:31.400 --> 01:27:34.599 Lanham Zoom: I think that is right up biohabitats. 802 01:27:34.660 --> 01:27:37.749 Lanham Zoom: I would actually recommend them for that. 803 01:27:38.070 --> 01:27:53.339 Lanham Zoom: You don't need a bio habitats. And and you guys didn't officially ask for my recommendation. But I'm kind of giving it for you. You don't need bio habitats to come in and do some swale work and the bioswale and that sort of thing. I think you're 804 01:27:55.020 --> 01:27:58.849 Lanham Zoom: getting more than you need for that level of work. 805 01:27:58.980 --> 01:28:10.480 Lanham Zoom: And so if you guys think that you really want to do the engineering? This is why I say, it's the towns. Input if you really want to do the engineering and put more dollars in engineering and less in 806 01:28:10.600 --> 01:28:12.199 Lanham Zoom: in deliverable. 807 01:28:12.350 --> 01:28:18.860 Lanham Zoom: Then I think a biohabitats firm is better for you, because it can do that. If your goal is to do 808 01:28:18.930 --> 01:28:24.329 Lanham Zoom: more of the what I'm going to call maintenance side with enhancements 809 01:28:24.460 --> 01:28:33.350 Lanham Zoom: such as the the other work up in the site. I think Smi spit is more up your alley, because there's not as much opportunity to see the 810 01:28:33.480 --> 01:28:38.500 Lanham Zoom: the real enhancements that biohabitats brings to the to the table. 811 01:28:39.550 --> 01:28:52.060 Lanham Zoom: and I go in on bids with both companies, and know both of them. And I I would. Re. That's why I said. I kind of can recommend both of them. But, you guys, this is where I say, the town needs to do it. I, 812 01:28:52.290 --> 01:29:00.610 Lanham Zoom: when you guys threw in the potential of doing the gravel wetlands because you wanted to see that pricing you. You kind of 813 01:29:00.940 --> 01:29:06.279 Lanham Zoom: have to decide if that's really a reality that you want to pay for that engineering. If you do. 814 01:29:06.330 --> 01:29:25.760 Lanham Zoom: I think a biohabitats may be better if you don't, you really want to make sure you get the stuff done up in sight like fixing the conveyance issues of the storm drain, pipe, and fixing where the water's not going in well, and those sort of things. Then I think the Smi bids probably a better bid your way. So that's that's my input. 815 01:29:26.188 --> 01:29:28.040 Lanham Zoom: To kind of answer your question. 816 01:29:29.570 --> 01:29:33.010 Barbara: Okay, Chris, and then John, and then Bob. 817 01:29:37.370 --> 01:29:38.220 Patrice Klein: You're on mute. 818 01:29:39.040 --> 01:29:40.170 Patrice Klein: Chris, you're on mute. 819 01:29:42.680 --> 01:29:47.060 Kriss Grisham: Thank you, anyway. So a question for 820 01:29:47.180 --> 01:29:48.233 Kriss Grisham: for a 821 01:29:49.590 --> 01:29:50.140 Patrice Klein: Jason. 822 01:29:50.140 --> 01:29:52.050 Kriss Grisham: And Jason, yeah, is 823 01:29:52.425 --> 01:30:03.210 Kriss Grisham: because you you said that you've worked with both of them, and I guess. And and my question is, is, what is the degree of confidence that you have in both of them to accomplish what it is. The town's trying to get done. 824 01:30:03.603 --> 01:30:09.966 Kriss Grisham: And you know in the long run. And and it's kind of like what Peter is saying. If 825 01:30:10.630 --> 01:30:12.139 Kriss Grisham: if we're trying to get 826 01:30:13.440 --> 01:30:15.359 Kriss Grisham: water management work done 827 01:30:15.520 --> 01:30:17.070 Kriss Grisham: and one is 828 01:30:17.240 --> 01:30:26.830 Kriss Grisham: saying, well, we'll we have a lot of engineering work that we need to do, and we'll give you a high degree of confidence. But then we're going to run out of money. You're going to have to go find some more to get the actual work complete. 829 01:30:26.970 --> 01:30:27.960 Kriss Grisham: Seems 830 01:30:28.460 --> 01:30:41.590 Kriss Grisham: short ended. But with that said, and again going back to experience. What is, what is the confidence level that you have in both of them to get to work accomplished for for the town's needs. 831 01:30:42.150 --> 01:30:47.829 Lanham Zoom: Okay? So let's start with biohabitats. 832 01:30:49.490 --> 01:30:57.619 Lanham Zoom: biohabitats design side I've worked with. They are very competent, know know their stuff very, very well. 833 01:30:57.830 --> 01:31:04.099 Lanham Zoom: I have not worked with their delivery contractor directly before, so I can't 834 01:31:04.300 --> 01:31:10.410 Lanham Zoom: speak to them. But judging by the fact that biohabitats has done multiple projects with them. 835 01:31:10.430 --> 01:31:19.910 Lanham Zoom: I think it's fair to say that they're a solid contractor, so I think that you can expect a high level delivery 836 01:31:19.950 --> 01:31:21.280 Lanham Zoom: on what they 837 01:31:21.350 --> 01:31:23.269 Lanham Zoom: said they can do. 838 01:31:24.780 --> 01:31:29.080 Lanham Zoom: The only thing that you're going to carry is more design and oversight cost 839 01:31:29.994 --> 01:31:41.359 Lanham Zoom: with Smi Andy Whaley, who is the engineer. As I said, I've worked with him for about 10 years. He has designed and constructed 840 01:31:41.750 --> 01:31:43.060 Lanham Zoom: probably 841 01:31:44.890 --> 01:31:57.779 Lanham Zoom: 10 projects that I could think of off top of my head. 1011 projects. All went well. He is a army veteran. He worked for the Army Corps of Engineers and designed a lot of stuff 842 01:31:57.930 --> 01:32:04.859 Lanham Zoom: overseas during different things. So he's got that sort of mindset of 843 01:32:05.000 --> 01:32:06.720 Lanham Zoom: less is more 844 01:32:06.900 --> 01:32:09.609 Lanham Zoom: sort of do it efficiently and go from there. 845 01:32:10.173 --> 01:32:13.139 Lanham Zoom: Smi I've just finished up about. 846 01:32:13.260 --> 01:32:14.179 Lanham Zoom: I don't know 847 01:32:16.400 --> 01:32:19.670 Lanham Zoom: 20 million dollars worth of work with Smi. 848 01:32:19.700 --> 01:32:23.229 Lanham Zoom: and they did a great job. They 849 01:32:23.804 --> 01:32:26.475 Lanham Zoom: know how to deliver and 850 01:32:27.170 --> 01:32:31.960 Lanham Zoom: do good work. So like I said, all of them. 851 01:32:32.290 --> 01:32:39.649 Lanham Zoom: both contractors can deliver the work. I think it's important to look at the recommendations 852 01:32:40.200 --> 01:32:41.720 Lanham Zoom: that they gave. 853 01:32:41.880 --> 01:32:42.900 Lanham Zoom: and 854 01:32:43.248 --> 01:32:48.170 Lanham Zoom: look at the price when you look at their pricing. Also look at the priority 855 01:32:48.200 --> 01:32:52.820 Lanham Zoom: as a town council of the jobs that you would like to get done and in there. 856 01:32:52.990 --> 01:32:58.419 Lanham Zoom: And I think that's an important side to this, because, as I said 857 01:32:58.640 --> 01:33:12.509 Lanham Zoom: and I forgot some. A couple of people raised this on the committee, and I'm sorry I'm forgetting some names, but I do think if if you want to deliver the gravel wetland. 858 01:33:12.780 --> 01:33:17.750 Lanham Zoom: I do think biohabitats is better qualified for it. 859 01:33:18.740 --> 01:33:20.140 Lanham Zoom: I think if you 860 01:33:20.370 --> 01:33:27.710 Lanham Zoom: are are looking at more, the maintenance side, I think you might want to look toward Smi. I 861 01:33:28.130 --> 01:33:31.470 Lanham Zoom: I would. But I have high confidence in both of them. 862 01:33:33.170 --> 01:33:35.220 Kriss Grisham: Thank you. That's good. Thank you. 863 01:33:35.220 --> 01:33:36.060 Barbara: Done. 864 01:33:37.160 --> 01:33:40.200 John Compton: Yeah, okay, I I 865 01:33:40.410 --> 01:33:43.880 John Compton: I can appreciate that. This sort of a 866 01:33:44.690 --> 01:33:50.390 John Compton: decision, if you will, is is kind of it's difficult to get your hands around. 867 01:33:50.410 --> 01:33:55.599 John Compton: What? The what the quality, what the deciding, deciding factors are. 868 01:33:56.166 --> 01:34:04.879 John Compton: But I think I hope everyone's gotten the message. Jason has said it in a in a fairly mild way. I think 869 01:34:05.730 --> 01:34:16.390 John Compton: others have said it as well that the the difficulty we have as a town is deciding. What is it we want from this project 870 01:34:17.110 --> 01:34:18.210 John Compton: so 871 01:34:18.980 --> 01:34:24.230 John Compton: exactly? What outcome do we want? And Bob Bob has. 872 01:34:24.440 --> 01:34:26.739 John Compton: you know, repeatedly 873 01:34:27.568 --> 01:34:35.909 John Compton: indicated, that if we want an outcome that reduces water flow 874 01:34:36.030 --> 01:34:38.979 John Compton: into the West woods, if that's our priority. 875 01:34:39.110 --> 01:34:42.720 John Compton: and I'm not saying it should be. But supposing it was. 876 01:34:42.830 --> 01:34:49.900 John Compton: then we really need to know what each of the each aspects of the of the of the work. 877 01:34:50.060 --> 01:34:53.840 John Compton: how that would actually affect that outcome. 878 01:34:55.600 --> 01:35:12.150 John Compton: And and at the moment. We don't, of course, but, as Jason has pointed out, you would by the time the the 30% design that it's it's been looked at in enough detail. We would then know 879 01:35:12.170 --> 01:35:22.930 John Compton: that that result based on you know the the work we have asked the the companies to to address what? 880 01:35:23.470 --> 01:35:38.698 John Compton: What we've asked companies to address is based on Soltez's recommendations. Jason's recommendations as to what we can do in the residential area to impact the flow into the West woods. 881 01:35:39.900 --> 01:35:42.720 John Compton: And as Patty alluded to 882 01:35:43.173 --> 01:35:59.689 John Compton: I believe, and I don't know who made that estimate, it may have been sold to us themselves that the the problem in the Westwoods may that the water running off the residential area may be 40% of the water. Maybe. 883 01:36:00.241 --> 01:36:07.759 John Compton: So you have to look at and say, Okay, well, if we can only reduce the flow out of residential area by 884 01:36:07.800 --> 01:36:12.590 John Compton: with the best engineering we can we can get, and and what 885 01:36:12.650 --> 01:36:21.660 John Compton: what opportunities there are to retard the water flow. If we can only cut that by. Let's just be optimistic. A 3, rd 886 01:36:21.940 --> 01:36:23.890 John Compton: then that's what we'll get. 887 01:36:25.460 --> 01:36:33.440 John Compton: so that that's that goal. If that was the main sort of a principal goal. The other goal, of course, is 888 01:36:34.210 --> 01:36:38.719 John Compton: more easy to get your head around, and that is, we'd like to keep the water 889 01:36:38.940 --> 01:36:40.480 John Compton: off the roads. 890 01:36:40.660 --> 01:36:42.489 John Compton: off private property 891 01:36:42.550 --> 01:37:07.459 John Compton: and flowing on on town, on on our existing or improved maintenance of water, water control systems and a fair amount of what we ask. The these companies to bid on is exactly that for example, along Chestnut Road, not Avenue but road. 892 01:37:08.163 --> 01:37:24.050 John Compton: I think Phil. Phil Mendo was here before and a fair amount of water flows across his property, the former Kirk's property, and that's because it it isn't flowing along Chestnut Road to center 893 01:37:25.350 --> 01:37:44.439 John Compton: it's flowing across the property. So if we improve the collection of the water along just road, it will reduce the flow on his property. Then we need to improve it. Running down center. All of that is existing. But degraded water control? 894 01:37:45.026 --> 01:37:46.959 John Compton: So if if our goal 895 01:37:48.500 --> 01:37:50.590 John Compton: priorities are that. 896 01:37:50.920 --> 01:38:07.349 John Compton: then you can obviously grow your idea. But the conclusion is obvious. That to get that done, you know, might not involve the world's most extensive engineering, but it would involve a lot of practical 897 01:38:07.560 --> 01:38:19.919 John Compton: application of water control. Just just to to manage that. So what long, long story short, is that Jason was trying to say that it depends what the town 898 01:38:20.590 --> 01:38:24.350 John Compton: outcome what we want as an outcome, and 899 01:38:26.110 --> 01:38:27.170 John Compton: we can 900 01:38:28.230 --> 01:38:34.260 John Compton: we? We won't know what what we can do with our money until we get enough engineering. 901 01:38:37.540 --> 01:38:38.770 John Compton: design 902 01:38:38.990 --> 01:38:47.959 John Compton: to make that assessment? We don't. I mean we. I think the 2 companies may approach the design differently, and we may get 903 01:38:48.590 --> 01:38:51.339 John Compton: cheaper design from one than the other. 904 01:38:52.000 --> 01:38:57.050 John Compton: But and then, whether or not that will allow us to assess 905 01:38:57.730 --> 01:39:05.420 John Compton: and decide among our goals as to as to what we can do. That's kind of, or the way I see the decision here 906 01:39:06.090 --> 01:39:09.090 John Compton: is, do if we wanted it 907 01:39:09.810 --> 01:39:11.570 John Compton: engineered 908 01:39:12.100 --> 01:39:13.540 John Compton: extensively. 909 01:39:13.920 --> 01:39:17.939 John Compton: so that we get the the best system. 910 01:39:18.401 --> 01:39:25.830 John Compton: Designed as possible. But we cannot, you know, but that doesn't leave a lot of money to actually install it. 911 01:39:25.920 --> 01:39:28.969 John Compton: Then we would then decide. Okay. 912 01:39:29.540 --> 01:39:34.569 John Compton: we're only going to install what we can afford. We'll have to get more money to finish the job 913 01:39:34.760 --> 01:39:35.295 John Compton: or 914 01:39:36.140 --> 01:39:47.779 John Compton: and and that that's just an outcome that we we saw that at the beginning we knew, as Jason pointed out, we knew that we didn't have enough money really to do everything we'd like to do. 915 01:39:48.290 --> 01:40:02.290 John Compton: But now we're up against it. What what is it we really want to get done with the funds we have? So I hope I've kind of helped sharpen it. I think Jason did a great job sharpening the 916 01:40:02.570 --> 01:40:10.490 John Compton: the the, the the criteria, if you will. But yeah, unfortunately, it's going to. 917 01:40:10.530 --> 01:40:16.899 John Compton: because it's a design build. We don't go in with it, knowing that the design will give us 918 01:40:17.160 --> 01:40:22.500 John Compton: something. You know that you know enough of what we really would like to 919 01:40:22.730 --> 01:40:27.030 John Compton: get accomplished with these funds, and whether we're going to have to get more funds to 920 01:40:27.210 --> 01:40:27.910 John Compton: do it. 921 01:40:29.010 --> 01:40:29.580 John Compton: What's. 922 01:40:29.580 --> 01:40:34.669 Barbara: So, John, though when you talk about what our priorities are, I mean. 923 01:40:35.180 --> 01:40:42.429 Barbara: you know you and Patty and others are probably better versed in in setting that out and 924 01:40:42.440 --> 01:41:06.679 Barbara: helping the Ca, cause I I feel like we're really like. I don't think this town council, I mean I I have. Well, generally speaking, I feel like, a lot of the members of the Town Council, even after this 1 h discussion. We're not really sure where to go so, and I think Rob was really trying to get that direction from the committee and 925 01:41:06.760 --> 01:41:14.019 Barbara: all of these. This information is really helpful, but it has. I don't feel like it has put us on a path to a decision. 926 01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:17.120 John Compton: Okay, I I'm Bob. I'll probably. 927 01:41:17.120 --> 01:41:18.190 Robert Gilmore: Amen. Sister. 928 01:41:18.190 --> 01:41:20.219 John Compton: I want to say one more thing. 929 01:41:20.890 --> 01:41:23.050 John Compton: person, and from my point of view 930 01:41:23.330 --> 01:41:26.359 John Compton: the solution in the Westwoods 931 01:41:26.550 --> 01:41:33.690 John Compton: is not going to be how. What we do with this project is not going to have a major impact 932 01:41:34.070 --> 01:41:38.139 John Compton: on the solution in the Westwood. Sorry, Patty, but it is 933 01:41:39.400 --> 01:41:50.170 John Compton: but and therefore, and we definitely want to address the problem. But we're going to need a design. And and salt has, as suggested one. 934 01:41:50.390 --> 01:41:54.360 John Compton: There are others in the Westwoods, all of which will cost 935 01:41:54.730 --> 01:41:56.629 John Compton: more money, a lot more money. 936 01:41:56.850 --> 01:42:00.140 John Compton: Let's just say a million dollars minimum 937 01:42:00.180 --> 01:42:07.569 John Compton: to to implement that solution. And so we're looking at that, anyway, with it. So if the Westwoods is our principal goal. 938 01:42:08.470 --> 01:42:11.329 John Compton: I would seriously 939 01:42:13.280 --> 01:42:20.690 John Compton: I I my personal recommendation was, don't expect to solve it with some fancy engineering in the residential area. 940 01:42:22.670 --> 01:42:33.110 John Compton: it might impact it a bit, but it's not going to to get us where we want to go. On the other hand, we do with this money, which we have a windfall of. 941 01:42:33.150 --> 01:42:36.629 John Compton: We really could get a major 942 01:42:36.640 --> 01:42:57.430 John Compton: repair of our storm water management, our our control of water on private property and on the roads it we I think we can really do a pretty good job there. So it's at once again. It's a matter of what do we expect to get? And I think that would help us make a decision. 943 01:42:57.550 --> 01:43:07.220 John Compton: If you decide at this point what you know. Given these estimates and Jason's right, we wanted to see what these things would cost. And now we know 944 01:43:07.891 --> 01:43:19.790 John Compton: roughly, we we know we don't know, quite know the balance between design and construction. But we have a pretty good idea. And now we we probably in a position to say. 945 01:43:20.100 --> 01:43:43.800 John Compton: Okay, we do want to do what we can for the Westwood. So we're going to go with a well designed system. We can't build it all, but we'll build it all. We'll get some money and build later, or we're going to say, Okay, we'll take what we can get with reducing flow into the West woods. But we definitely want to control all the water around this area, you know, and and improve our system. If that's the kind of way I 946 01:43:44.150 --> 01:43:48.190 John Compton: only way I've been able to simplify it in my own head, so. 947 01:43:48.190 --> 01:43:50.960 Lanham Zoom: And can I add, can I add. 948 01:43:50.960 --> 01:43:51.300 Peter Nagrod: No. 949 01:43:51.300 --> 01:43:54.310 Peggy Koniz-Booher: Can I speak here? I've been as a council. 950 01:43:54.310 --> 01:43:54.740 Peter Nagrod: Person. 951 01:43:54.740 --> 01:43:55.220 Peggy Koniz-Booher: Long. 952 01:43:55.220 --> 01:44:03.790 Peter Nagrod: I would like to. That's fine. But i i i'm fine as a council person listening to this conversation. Okay. 953 01:44:03.870 --> 01:44:08.020 Peter Nagrod: we've we've been working on this for, Patty. How long is this? How long has this been so. 954 01:44:09.065 --> 01:44:09.430 Patrice Klein: While. 955 01:44:09.430 --> 01:44:10.350 John Compton: 2 years. 956 01:44:10.350 --> 01:44:11.820 Peter Nagrod: A year or so. 957 01:44:11.820 --> 01:44:12.200 John Compton: New Year. 958 01:44:12.200 --> 01:44:29.950 Peter Nagrod: So the council the Council got oh, you know, 1st of all, as council members, we can go out and we can talk to everybody and get the information we need. That's 1 thing we can do, plus. We've been to a number of meetings together talking about this. We've sat through 2 special meetings interviewing 959 01:44:30.080 --> 01:44:34.339 Peter Nagrod: the 2 vendors, and we got a pretty good feel for what they were about 960 01:44:34.440 --> 01:44:41.969 Peter Nagrod: tonight, Jason, I mean, we have the luxury of having an amazing expert Jason here kind of 961 01:44:42.030 --> 01:44:46.429 Peter Nagrod: giving us. He's been giving us information all along, guiding us. 962 01:44:46.490 --> 01:45:16.420 Peter Nagrod: And you know, we're we're pretty intelligent people. We should be listening to the clues that are coming through. Patty, and I would recommend everybody in the council to talk with Steve Works, who is the most knowledgeable person in town. As far as what the problems are. As far as you know the drainage and water. Nobody knows that. You know better than Steve does. We've been given a lot of information. It's our job as council members to listen to this 963 01:45:16.420 --> 01:45:39.989 Peter Nagrod: and figure out what to do. You know, there's no as we already said, Bob said, apples and oranges. Yeah, it's apples and oranges. There's no right answer. But I think Jason has said that whoever we pick okay, we're gonna have time of to work with them to get the most we can out of them. And I think that our job as council people is to figure out, okay, well, what do we want to accomplish? And who's going to be the best vendor to do it. 964 01:45:40.300 --> 01:45:49.750 Peter Nagrod: and I don't. I don't want to spend 6 more months. You know. We've been talking about this for 6 months, and we said, we have plenty of time. We have plenty of time. Well, we don't have plenty of time. 965 01:45:49.880 --> 01:45:55.939 Peter Nagrod: and I don't think it's necessary. I think I think that is pretty obvious where we should go. And that's just my opinion. 966 01:45:57.030 --> 01:46:02.140 Eva Langston Patrone: Well can you say it? Can you say what the obvious choices? This is easy. 967 01:46:02.140 --> 01:46:18.039 Peter Nagrod: I think Smi is, I think, based on what I've I've talked to. I've tried to talk to most of the members on this this advisory group. I got their information. I believe that if I could bring Jason and tie him up and torture him. 968 01:46:18.070 --> 01:46:35.169 Peter Nagrod: he would say that for our for our needs. Smi would be the best, because we need we can get. We need maintenance. We haven't done a lot of maintenance on water for a long time. And you know, I I just think that Smi, I like the fact that they're telling us what they're gonna do. 969 01:46:35.170 --> 01:46:49.339 Peter Nagrod: And I do believe that biohabitat is I've worked with these companies. He's the booze, Allen of this. They're gonna they're gonna come in with wonderful designs. They're gonna give us all that wonderful information, and then they're gonna come back and go. Oh, but you know 970 01:46:49.530 --> 01:46:50.870 Peter Nagrod: we've run out of money. 971 01:46:51.210 --> 01:47:16.440 Eva Langston Patrone: Okay. So that that is so. I wanna thank Peter for just saying, here's who I think we should go with and I know other people have their hands raised. But I'm just gonna say this, because otherwise I'm gonna forget. I think what John said was very helpful that if we have, we say, if our priority is this, we should go with this company. If our priority is this, we should go with this company. I am hearing that if our priority is the Westwoods. 972 01:47:16.550 --> 01:47:28.620 Eva Langston Patrone: then maybe biohazards. If our priority is improving the storm water management in town, we should go with Smi. Correct me if I'm wrong. That seems to be the breakdown. 973 01:47:28.670 --> 01:47:32.410 Eva Langston Patrone: I know that the Woods Committee is looking at other funding 974 01:47:32.420 --> 01:47:45.120 Eva Langston Patrone: to address the issues in the Westwoods, so I'm putting the clues together myself and saying, Okay, maybe Smi is the way to go. I would love to just, and that's just off of. 975 01:47:45.160 --> 01:48:09.079 Eva Langston Patrone: I I feel like I shouldn't have to be putting the clues together. I would just like to hear people on the committee saying, I think this is the way to go. So I thank you, Peter, for for actually giving your opinion. But but that's what it's sounding like to me right now. It's also sounding like we're just not. We should be spending more time on the other end of the 30% design plan. 976 01:48:09.270 --> 01:48:16.950 Eva Langston Patrone: Then we just need to pick one. And and then we're going to have so much more information on the other end of the 30% design. 977 01:48:17.220 --> 01:48:21.999 Eva Langston Patrone: That's that's what I'm getting from all of this so far. Okay. Sorry to all the people with their hands raised. 978 01:48:23.130 --> 01:48:24.329 Peggy Koniz-Booher: Can I speak? 979 01:48:25.408 --> 01:48:29.559 Barbara: So yeah, Bob. Then Chris, and then Patty. 980 01:48:30.010 --> 01:48:51.089 Peggy Koniz-Booher: Okay so I, my opinion is that we're we're not gonna make a a wrong choice here. So don't worry about that. We won't make a wrong choice. They're both good companies they'll both get. We'll get both get good product out of both companies. The the, I think what is confusing things. Is that 981 01:48:51.090 --> 01:49:19.269 Peggy Koniz-Booher: what we put in the Rfp. Rfp. Was sort of a grab bag of ideas. It wasn't a coherent plan to, as Rob was saying, to find the problem, define the solutions, and then put put engineering expertise towards those solutions to meet the goals that we state that hasn't really been done in a in a systematic way. We've kind of backed into some of that. 982 01:49:19.280 --> 01:49:40.540 Peggy Koniz-Booher: and I think there's some some of it is. Yes, it's just maintenance. Let's just fix the pipe. But there's others that we are trying to get the best product and the best design out of out of, and the best use of this wonderful money that we have available to to us to do this. So we have an opportunity to do something good here. 983 01:49:41.173 --> 01:49:53.140 Peggy Koniz-Booher: So the things that we put into the Rfp. Were some of this and some of that. I I don't think that we would end up with all of the things in the Rfp. I never did. 984 01:49:53.140 --> 01:50:10.789 Peggy Koniz-Booher: and we shouldn't. I mean, what's going to happen is, as Jason said is, there's going to be a process, there'll be a survey. There'll be analysis, there'll be assessment, and we'll we'll understand where the water, what what water is flowing, where and what what problems it's causing. 985 01:50:10.790 --> 01:50:26.140 Peggy Koniz-Booher: And it's at the 30% point, there will be an initial design of this is this is how best to to solve your problems, and and then it can be adjusted from that. And I think that either one of the the firms 986 01:50:26.170 --> 01:50:27.430 Peggy Koniz-Booher: can do that. 987 01:50:27.847 --> 01:50:54.299 Peggy Koniz-Booher: My my own personal opinion was that I was very impressed by the biohabitats presentation, and that their their breadth of experience and their breadth, breadth of knowledge about how to do this in a in a in in a in a good way. The my impression of Smi was. They looked at the item, the list of items that we had put put into the grab bag. 988 01:50:54.300 --> 01:51:05.400 Peggy Koniz-Booher: And then they just said, Yeah, that'll be that much. That'll be that much. That'll be that much. That'll be that much. And it it's sort of like a contractor versus a designer. Approach. 989 01:51:05.470 --> 01:51:16.779 Peggy Koniz-Booher: To go back to the analogy of of the kitchen many times you if you say you hire a contractor and say, Do me a kitchen. I got $50,000. Then you come back and you go. Oh. 990 01:51:16.860 --> 01:51:30.011 Peggy Koniz-Booher: I didn't know you're going to do that. Oh, I didn't know you're going to do that. So there's there's balance. There's things on both sides, you know. If you. If if you want to end up with what you want, then then you define it along the way. 991 01:51:30.370 --> 01:51:42.600 Peggy Koniz-Booher: And I think that in terms of running out of money, we will. We will be in in this process of design build. We will be defining the best use of our money 992 01:51:43.190 --> 01:51:59.260 Peggy Koniz-Booher: in that process. That's how how you do it. So it's not like we'll run out of money. We we may not have to do everything that was on that. Those 9 9 items on the list. Not all of those, probably should have been done. So it's not not like we're gonna 993 01:51:59.610 --> 01:52:07.130 Peggy Koniz-Booher: lose something in the process. But we'll have the best design. When we once we start working with these people, we'll have the best design and 994 01:52:07.660 --> 01:52:08.830 Peggy Koniz-Booher: meet the problem. 995 01:52:11.430 --> 01:52:17.790 Peggy Koniz-Booher: Oh, just just one of the things. We have to be a little cautious about the permitting issue, too. So. 996 01:52:18.820 --> 01:52:19.840 Barbara: Okay. Chris. 997 01:52:22.250 --> 01:52:22.920 Kriss Grisham: Yes. 998 01:52:24.560 --> 01:52:30.419 Kriss Grisham: So this question goes to Jason, too, though. So you know, based on based on 999 01:52:31.580 --> 01:52:37.940 Kriss Grisham: I guess the priorities, you know, residential water management versus Westwoods. 1000 01:52:38.348 --> 01:52:49.519 Kriss Grisham: And it looks like the biggest thing that that you were talking about regarding, you know, trying to curtail the water from going across street into Westwoods was, you know, this submerged gravel wetland 1001 01:52:49.780 --> 01:53:12.639 Kriss Grisham: that's being presented by by by our habitats. But even with all of that, it sounds like, you know, from what John, the mayor was saying was, we're not gonna address Westwood's issues, 100%. So I guess my question is, is, if we were to go with Smi, and they provided everything that they could with 1002 01:53:12.820 --> 01:53:20.889 Kriss Grisham: the limited funds that we have. We know that we're going to have to have more money to further mitigate issues in the West Woods. 1003 01:53:21.856 --> 01:53:23.170 Kriss Grisham: Can they? 1004 01:53:23.370 --> 01:53:32.659 Kriss Grisham: So, Jason, you know, with your background, do you think that we could, if we needed to later on add a submerged 1005 01:53:32.890 --> 01:53:35.010 Kriss Grisham: gravel wetland. 1006 01:53:35.100 --> 01:53:39.160 Kriss Grisham: you know, as as part of the phase, 2 part, maybe. 1007 01:53:43.790 --> 01:53:44.660 Kriss Grisham: Jason. 1008 01:53:45.280 --> 01:53:45.940 Kriss Grisham: what. 1009 01:53:45.940 --> 01:53:52.590 Patrice Klein: Jason still there? I can answer that the answer is Yes, because we added the gravel wetland into the Rfp. 1010 01:53:52.670 --> 01:54:05.970 Patrice Klein: As a last minute addition, because we were curious to know what that might cost. It was not part of the original Rfp. Because we anticipated, with Jason's advice that it would be an expensive 1011 01:54:06.010 --> 01:54:13.319 Patrice Klein: piece, and remember, by the time you get to the gravel wetland that's at the end of Center Street, at the intersection of Washington Grove lane. I would 1012 01:54:13.410 --> 01:54:16.570 Patrice Klein: pull up the map if you want to see it, just for a visual. 1013 01:54:16.730 --> 01:54:43.390 Patrice Klein: We need to stop the water further upstream first.st Anyway, we're working from grove, you know, to chestnut, and then, you know, on the way through the you know, the roads and the avenues, so that by the time water is, or whatever water is now flowing into that gravel. Wetland hopefully, has already been detained further up, anyway, right? So that to me was kind of the icing on the cake. If we had the funding available to do the gravel wetland. 1014 01:54:43.390 --> 01:54:55.489 Patrice Klein: hey, hallelujah! But we wanted to at least get an idea of how much it would cost. Basically, again, biohabitats. And they may be better engineering when it comes to stream restoration and those kinds of 1015 01:54:55.886 --> 01:55:19.440 Patrice Klein: ecological restoration projects. That's a lot. They call themselves biohabitats, because that's a lot of what they do. You know, they may do a much better job. But right now even those 2 cost comparisons are about 11 of the other, irregardless. That was an addition that we added. So the majority of what we were trying to do initially, was what we all considered as maintenance and repair 1016 01:55:19.710 --> 01:55:23.600 Patrice Klein: of the existing and very limited 1017 01:55:23.790 --> 01:55:48.959 Patrice Klein: infrastructure. Stormwater infrastructure we have in town. You've all seen it. You walked around. You see some culverts, some pipes under intersections. You see a couple little channels. Some are asphalted, some are, you know, dirt, I mean, that's basically what we have. And we're not trying to create an entire new stormwater infrastructure system. We're not. We were really trying initially to repair, maintain, repair, and improve what we have. 1018 01:55:49.160 --> 01:55:50.000 Patrice Klein: Okay? And. 1019 01:55:50.000 --> 01:55:50.540 Peter Nagrod: Patty, thank. 1020 01:55:50.540 --> 01:55:56.749 Patrice Klein: There are some enhancements to add, you know, a bio swell here, or something, you know, more 1021 01:55:57.270 --> 01:56:02.920 Patrice Klein: sophisticated in another area, all all to retain and slow down the flow of water. 1022 01:56:03.210 --> 01:56:31.259 Patrice Klein: Yes, we want to help the Westwoods, but we know, and thanks to John, and actually Jean, at some point to look for additional external funding. To work on that as an as a next stage project is to look for big dollar money to start looking at Westwoods and stream restoration, and all that kind of stuff, and that gravel wetland could then be tagged on to that, because it's going to cost that much more money to do that segment of the project. 1023 01:56:31.260 --> 01:56:41.520 Patrice Klein: So again, apologies, and or with respect to Bob, and we understand, you know, where everybody's coming from. I will tell you much, much more pragmatic 1024 01:56:41.540 --> 01:56:54.260 Patrice Klein: if we are trying to look at what we can get done upstream. Yes, to slow the water flow and the velocity and the volume of water that's heading towards the West woods, at least from this direction. 1025 01:56:55.120 --> 01:57:09.920 Patrice Klein: and also to improve and maintain and repair. You know some of the infrastructure we have. I like, I thought Smi was a much more just pragmatic approach to get the work done. Get the biggest bang for the buck. In my point of view. 1026 01:57:10.633 --> 01:57:20.640 Patrice Klein: is to say, this is how much money we have, and they're willing to work towards that ceiling, that that budget ceiling for us. And again they're both good companies. 1027 01:57:21.270 --> 01:57:29.440 Patrice Klein: and one comes with a high engineering drive and approach. And that's that's fine. But if we wind up with only an engineering report 1028 01:57:29.780 --> 01:57:51.190 Patrice Klein: and the ability to maybe do one or 2 of these sort of repair maintenance. You know enhancement projects. I don't think we will have succeeded, I think, in the goal of the town, was really to take this opportunity between Federal funding and State funding to get a lot of this neglected stormwater infrastructure that we have 1029 01:57:51.230 --> 01:57:52.310 Patrice Klein: updated 1030 01:57:52.690 --> 01:57:55.279 Patrice Klein: so so to look for the rest. 1031 01:57:55.510 --> 01:57:57.579 Peter Nagrod: Patty. 2 things one is. 1032 01:57:58.050 --> 01:58:06.429 Peter Nagrod: With all this conversation there was. There was comments before about how it wasn't clear what the town's goals were 1033 01:58:07.180 --> 01:58:10.330 Peter Nagrod: with this money, and thank you very much, because you have 1034 01:58:10.866 --> 01:58:11.920 Peter Nagrod: clarified that. 1035 01:58:12.010 --> 01:58:15.100 Peter Nagrod: And I think that's helpful for us. The other thing is 1036 01:58:15.350 --> 01:58:25.230 Peter Nagrod: you, you said, I think the key you said you mentioned about the gravel. The history of why the gravel wetlands is in there. And do you want to repeat what Jason said 1037 01:58:25.290 --> 01:58:28.389 Peter Nagrod: about the gravel wetlands and our decision. 1038 01:58:28.390 --> 01:58:48.500 Patrice Klein: Yeah, that he would feel that company like biohabitats, which is stronger, I would say stronger. But they come from an engineering perspective. And I actually looked at what they proposed in their proposal. I mean, it really is a very sophisticated gravel wetland that they, you know, proposed to put in, but that would likely be more their 1039 01:58:49.081 --> 01:58:53.179 Patrice Klein: an advantage to work with a company like biohabitats to do that. 1040 01:58:54.170 --> 01:58:56.610 Patrice Klein: That's why we need that sort of creative solution. 1041 01:58:56.770 --> 01:59:04.709 Peter Nagrod: But but black and white. What he said is that if if you, if you're not gonna do the gravel wetlands, then he would recommend Smi. 1042 01:59:04.920 --> 01:59:05.520 Patrice Klein: Yeah. 1043 01:59:05.730 --> 01:59:09.040 Peter Nagrod: And Jason, I don't know if he's still here. I hate that. He's putting these words in his mouth, if he's not. But. 1044 01:59:09.050 --> 01:59:11.579 Patrice Klein: I can't see if he is or not. I don't see. 1045 01:59:11.580 --> 01:59:13.339 Peter Nagrod: So that was very helpful. Okay. 1046 01:59:13.610 --> 01:59:32.099 Barbara: Alright. So we've spent a lot of time sharing a lot of information here, and I think we've gotten a lot of good information. The plan is to agitate on this for another month and come back and have a vote next month. If. 1047 01:59:32.100 --> 01:59:37.579 Peter Nagrod: Happen between now and then. That's gonna change. Well, I mean just recommendations, or what? Why. 1048 01:59:37.770 --> 01:59:55.830 Barbara: Well, one thing is, I know that the the committee has not gotten the references for the the contractors, so it will give them time to get the references, and it will give town counselors time to parse through any additional questions they have, or 1049 01:59:55.960 --> 01:59:58.190 Barbara: get any additional information. 1050 02:00:00.110 --> 02:00:04.610 Peter Nagrod: Alright! Can we do a straw vote, or is it? What does what does everybody else think. 1051 02:00:05.360 --> 02:00:12.019 Robert Gilmore: I? I have a question. Does that give us enough time to commit the funds? When is. 1052 02:00:12.020 --> 02:00:15.019 Barbara: Yes, cause they have to be committed by December. 1053 02:00:16.570 --> 02:00:20.051 John Compton: Well, let me comment to that, Rob. So yeah, that 1054 02:00:20.520 --> 02:00:33.389 John Compton: The the way I see this going is we're going to need to sign a contract with someone, and because of the nature of the design build, we're probably going to want to. 1055 02:00:33.856 --> 02:00:45.440 John Compton: Make sure that it is. You know we spend our money in a way that does give. Get us to our goals, which which will, we will have decided 1056 02:00:45.800 --> 02:01:07.722 John Compton: to a certain extent in choosing which contractor, but we won't fully decide until we see the the 30% design as as Jason is calling it. So I think we have to negotiate the contract. I've allowed a month for that, so if we make a decision in, it's October 14.th By the way, it's of the latest day we can have the meeting 1057 02:01:08.060 --> 02:01:19.969 John Compton: in the month, but in in a month we will be able to hash through the details of the contract. That gives us plenty of time to sign it. I so I don't think we have a time issue 1058 02:01:20.040 --> 02:01:31.588 John Compton: there. But I do think it will take. It's not something we're gonna just write the contract in in a few days and sign it because I think we're gonna have to be a little bit more cagey and and specific 1059 02:01:32.110 --> 02:01:33.509 John Compton: with this sort of thing. 1060 02:01:36.550 --> 02:01:39.109 Robert Gilmore: Yeah, I mean, we we definitely will need 1061 02:01:39.510 --> 02:01:43.865 Robert Gilmore: I think, outside counsel. I mean, this is just, too, of a contract. 1062 02:01:44.250 --> 02:01:48.371 Robert Gilmore: and certainly. Soltez as owners. Engineer 1063 02:01:48.960 --> 02:01:49.460 John Compton: Jack. 1064 02:01:49.460 --> 02:01:51.010 Robert Gilmore: Leaving ourselves in the feed. 1065 02:01:51.010 --> 02:01:52.480 John Compton: That's that's what I think. 1066 02:01:56.060 --> 02:01:57.839 Barbara: All right. Are we 1067 02:01:58.230 --> 02:02:00.629 Barbara: done with this for this evening? 1068 02:02:01.280 --> 02:02:03.890 Peter Nagrod: Well, I think I I wanted to throw a vote. 1069 02:02:03.890 --> 02:02:04.545 Barbara: Okay. 1070 02:02:05.200 --> 02:02:08.740 Peter Nagrod: I don't need. I don't need to have it. If if the Council, if the Council would. 1071 02:02:08.790 --> 02:02:11.689 Peter Nagrod: is uncomfortable, which is fine, I mean, it's it's 1072 02:02:11.700 --> 02:02:16.260 Peter Nagrod: yeah. It's not gonna change anything. I guess. Right? So we'll just vote next month. 1073 02:02:16.320 --> 02:02:20.650 Peter Nagrod: Is that what we're gonna do? Is everybody okay? With that John would be happy with that. 1074 02:02:20.650 --> 02:02:22.340 Robert Gilmore: I am okay with that. Yeah. 1075 02:02:22.340 --> 02:02:23.490 Peter Nagrod: Okay. Okay. 1076 02:02:24.160 --> 02:02:25.740 Barbara: Alright! Thanks, everybody 1077 02:02:25.930 --> 02:02:29.900 Barbara: all right now on to the conservation meadow. 1078 02:02:30.481 --> 02:02:39.680 Barbara: So, as you know, there was a plan put forward by our ad Hoc Meadow Committee to cut 1079 02:02:39.710 --> 02:02:44.870 Barbara: some trees, some of the the red cedars in the meadow, and 1080 02:02:45.410 --> 02:03:05.549 Barbara: I think we were all pretty impressed with the plan and how it was going to go. And but then we heard from other residents that they are really not that fond of that plan, and so that really gave some of us some, some pause. You know, we really want to make sure we're doing the right thing on this. And so let's make sure we consider all of the 1081 02:03:05.630 --> 02:03:29.929 Barbara: points of view. I I think we're not going to decide this tonight. And and my idea is really for to have, like a group, go out for a walk on the meadow, and you know, touch it and feel it and get it. Get a better understanding of what it is we're talking about, not just from the graphic. So I I know Deb wanted to say something tonight is, do you want to go ahead. 1082 02:03:31.027 --> 02:03:43.540 Deborah Tarasevich: Sure, Barbara. Thank you for giving me this opportunity. I just want to explain. 10 of us wrote a letter and and submitted it to the Mayor and Town Council last week. 1083 02:03:44.020 --> 02:03:50.430 Deborah Tarasevich: This is 10 of us who are, and have been, regular users of of the meadow for quite some time. 1084 02:03:50.913 --> 02:04:05.979 Deborah Tarasevich: We were expressing our serious concerns about the proposal submitted by the Ad. Hoc Meadows Committee in August, at the Town Council meeting to remove 75 mature native red cedars in the meadow 1085 02:04:06.617 --> 02:04:08.809 Deborah Tarasevich: in their presentation the 1086 02:04:08.870 --> 02:04:30.939 Deborah Tarasevich: the Meadows Committee cited the 2,013 operation and use plan, and stated that when the Conservation park was created, the Operation and Use plan specified that it was to be maintained as a meadow. But that hasn't been happening, and that one of the ad hoc committee's purposes is to reach out to Montgomery Parks about restoring the meadow 1087 02:04:31.529 --> 02:04:39.099 Deborah Tarasevich: what the Ad Hoc Meadows Committee did not explain, is what a meadow is, or what it even means to restore a meadow. 1088 02:04:39.400 --> 02:04:48.429 Deborah Tarasevich: In our letter to the Mayor and Town Council we made the points that the committee's proposal is contrary to the 2,013 Operation and Use plan. 1089 02:04:48.490 --> 02:04:56.030 Deborah Tarasevich: That one of the operation in his plan stated objectives was to create areas within the meadow with woody 1090 02:04:56.080 --> 02:05:01.829 Deborah Tarasevich: early successional vegetation, to provide provide wildlife refugees, refuges. 1091 02:05:01.900 --> 02:05:06.780 Deborah Tarasevich: and that is recommendation for the initial five-year management of the meadow habitat 1092 02:05:06.800 --> 02:05:22.839 Deborah Tarasevich: was to keep all existing native shrubs and trees that are taller than the deer browse limit, which is approximately 4 to 5 feet to provide a variety of habitats within the early succession meadow for birds and wildlife, including the cedars. 1093 02:05:23.310 --> 02:05:30.490 Deborah Tarasevich: Our letter also said that the proposal was based on an unsupported view that the meadow is not a meadow. 1094 02:05:30.570 --> 02:05:39.449 Deborah Tarasevich: that the proposal would have a profound effect on wildlife. That depends on the cedars, and that if gone through, it would take years to remediate. 1095 02:05:39.600 --> 02:05:51.439 Deborah Tarasevich: and that the proposal is not supported by the justifications given, which, were that cedars spread aggressively, and host rust disease, because there is no evidence that either exists in the meadow. 1096 02:05:51.710 --> 02:05:55.079 Deborah Tarasevich: The committee submitted a letter last night. 1097 02:05:55.130 --> 02:05:58.850 Deborah Tarasevich: and has now come back, and now says 1098 02:05:58.960 --> 02:06:03.690 Deborah Tarasevich: that the issue with the 2,013 Operation News Plan 1099 02:06:03.710 --> 02:06:09.019 Deborah Tarasevich: is that Montgomery, Montgomery, Parks in 2,013 did not follow it. 1100 02:06:09.120 --> 02:06:16.049 Deborah Tarasevich: It did not mow the cedars that should have been mowed. That is, the cedars that were 5 feet or shorter. 1101 02:06:16.740 --> 02:06:22.040 Deborah Tarasevich: Maybe. Now that's what the Meadow Committee means when they say they want to restore the meadow. 1102 02:06:22.470 --> 02:06:28.339 Deborah Tarasevich: I think what underlies, underlines, underlies the concerns that we have raised 1103 02:06:28.520 --> 02:06:31.450 Deborah Tarasevich: is that in our view 1104 02:06:31.540 --> 02:06:41.599 Deborah Tarasevich: there seems to be a lack of transparency about the reasons for removing the cedars. In the 1st place, in the process behind the proposal to remove the cedars. 1105 02:06:41.670 --> 02:06:49.270 Deborah Tarasevich: and we are confused by what the Meadows Committee means exactly when they say they want to restore the meadow. 1106 02:06:49.780 --> 02:06:53.839 Deborah Tarasevich: If the Meadows Committee means that by restoring the meadow 1107 02:06:53.850 --> 02:07:01.650 Deborah Tarasevich: they want. They want removed those original cedars that Montgomery Parks was supposed to remove in 2,013. But didn't 1108 02:07:01.930 --> 02:07:06.480 Deborah Tarasevich: why haven't we? And I mean mean that royally? Why hasn't anyone 1109 02:07:06.810 --> 02:07:15.339 Deborah Tarasevich: from either the Prior Fields Committee raised this issue? Or why have we waited 11 years to even raise this issue? 1110 02:07:15.770 --> 02:07:19.090 Deborah Tarasevich: Why didn't we address the issue at the time? 1111 02:07:19.380 --> 02:07:23.209 Deborah Tarasevich: What's different now that all of a sudden it's become an issue. 1112 02:07:23.440 --> 02:07:32.420 Deborah Tarasevich: The Meadows Committee says in their letter, too, that we should rely on the experts in the parks. Well, why did the experts raise this issue 11 years ago? 1113 02:07:32.550 --> 02:07:41.230 Deborah Tarasevich: The trees that the ad hoc committee wants to remove are now mature trees, there are consequences to removing them, consequences that can't be remediated. 1114 02:07:41.680 --> 02:07:46.580 Deborah Tarasevich: The ad hoc committee's letter yesterday said that their current recommendation 1115 02:07:46.630 --> 02:07:59.429 Deborah Tarasevich: is to approve phase. One of their proposal, which is the removal of 37 trees, and not phases one and 2, which is the removal of 75 trees, which was their original proposal. 1116 02:07:59.440 --> 02:08:06.999 Deborah Tarasevich: Does that mean that phase 2 is entirely off the table, and the Medalist committee will not be raising it sometime in the future. 1117 02:08:07.070 --> 02:08:10.479 Deborah Tarasevich: or will phase 2 be on the table at a later date. 1118 02:08:10.930 --> 02:08:25.579 Deborah Tarasevich: As for the proposal itself, we keep hearing that it's a proposal from Montgomery parks. But what prompted the proposal? Did Montgomery Parks come up with a proposal to remove the cedars independently on their own? Or were they passed by the middle. 1119 02:08:25.580 --> 02:08:26.219 Bruce Daggy: Is, my. 1120 02:08:26.220 --> 02:08:27.270 Deborah Tarasevich: But a proposal. 1121 02:08:28.679 --> 02:08:31.129 Deborah Tarasevich: If I can just finish 1122 02:08:31.650 --> 02:08:33.340 Deborah Tarasevich: because I don't have much more. 1123 02:08:34.320 --> 02:08:34.839 Barbara: Yeah, I mean. 1124 02:08:34.840 --> 02:08:36.459 Deborah Tarasevich: Should should, and then. 1125 02:08:36.460 --> 02:08:36.850 Barbara: Please. 1126 02:08:36.850 --> 02:08:38.570 Deborah Tarasevich: How were these? 75? 1127 02:08:40.860 --> 02:08:41.750 Deborah Tarasevich: I'm sorry. 1128 02:08:42.250 --> 02:08:50.960 Barbara: Yeah. Can you please wrap it up? Yeah, I I think our our agenda said that they these were limited to 3 min, but I haven't been keeping track. Okay. 1129 02:08:51.430 --> 02:08:56.130 Deborah Tarasevich: Well, thanks. I think I agree. Actually, ultimately, I think 1130 02:08:56.260 --> 02:09:03.809 Deborah Tarasevich: I think it's more. Instead of engaging in a back and forth, I absolutely agree with you, Barbara. I think it just makes sense to do a meadow walk 1131 02:09:04.221 --> 02:09:26.938 Deborah Tarasevich: with the town Council, with the mayor, I think, with the 10 of us with the Meadows Committee, and I think it might be a good idea to have Ryan Colleton, who is, I guess, on Montgomery Parks to be on that walk as well. I think there's just a lot of questions that we have that we would like addressed, and I think it just makes more sense for all of us to be more more informed. 1132 02:09:27.340 --> 02:09:28.710 Deborah Tarasevich: that's all I have for now. 1133 02:09:29.230 --> 02:09:30.000 Deborah Tarasevich: Okay. 1134 02:09:30.260 --> 02:09:40.139 Barbara: So. Yeah, I mean, like, I said this, there are different points of view. We're not going to decide this tonight, Bruce. You have your hand up. Go ahead. 1135 02:09:40.360 --> 02:09:42.769 Bruce Daggy: Yeah, I I'm all in favor. 1136 02:09:42.770 --> 02:09:47.960 Barbara: And I I'm just. I'm sorry for interrupting, but I don't really want to be back and forth point. 1137 02:09:47.960 --> 02:09:49.419 Bruce Daggy: No, I don't either. 1138 02:09:49.420 --> 02:10:00.720 Barbara: I think we get the general gist of both sides, and and we're open as a town council. We're open to both of your views so so know that going forward. 1139 02:10:01.010 --> 02:10:04.860 Bruce Daggy: Yeah, that that's fine. And I'm I'm you know. There is no rush 1140 02:10:05.240 --> 02:10:08.959 Bruce Daggy: to make a decision tonight. I also agree. 1141 02:10:09.060 --> 02:10:22.440 Bruce Daggy: Let's I think the proposal to have a walking meeting in the meadow is is a great way to do it. I can see if Ryan can make that meeting. He's come out and met with us several times already. 1142 02:10:23.047 --> 02:10:28.350 Bruce Daggy: I can't answer the question about why things weren't done 10 years ago. 1143 02:10:28.660 --> 02:10:34.530 Bruce Daggy: I don't think anybody knows, or at least nobody who's talked to me knows why things weren't done 10 years ago. 1144 02:10:35.327 --> 02:10:41.590 Bruce Daggy: And we were never. We never asked town council to approve. Removing 75 trees. 1145 02:10:41.890 --> 02:10:59.490 Bruce Daggy: 37, 37 trees of the cedars that will still leave a lot of cedars, cedars, and other trees. It will leave clusters of trees. But we don't need to go into all that now. I think it's a it's a good suggestion to just take it into the meadow and and have the conversation there. 1146 02:11:00.650 --> 02:11:01.530 Barbara: So 1147 02:11:02.310 --> 02:11:06.832 Barbara: the I would like to know who wants to set up that meeting. 1148 02:11:08.020 --> 02:11:16.040 Bruce Daggy: Well, I you know I have very limited availability for the next month. I'm mainly going to be out of the country, so I'm available 1149 02:11:16.100 --> 02:11:18.269 Bruce Daggy: any day next week. 1150 02:11:19.126 --> 02:11:25.530 Bruce Daggy: I'm available the Monday and Tuesday the week after that. I don't know what Ryan's availability is. 1151 02:11:25.530 --> 02:11:26.680 Barbara: Right, right. 1152 02:11:26.680 --> 02:11:27.610 Bruce Daggy: It is. 1153 02:11:27.860 --> 02:11:29.750 Barbara: Right when 1154 02:11:29.810 --> 02:11:58.529 Barbara: why don't you find out his available? I I'm thinking we we need to do like a doodle poll or something, because we're talking about a lot of people here, and we want to get the most, the highest number and just sending emails back and forth is not the way to do it. But maybe if you could find the dates that Ryan is available and the dates you are available and Deb to maybe send those to me, and I will do a doodle poll, and we'll just find the best date, you know, to get the most people. 1155 02:11:58.530 --> 02:12:03.240 Barbara: because, you know, we really do want to be responsive and responsible on this, you know. 1156 02:12:03.240 --> 02:12:03.750 Deborah Tarasevich: Some of it. 1157 02:12:03.750 --> 02:12:04.549 Barbara: Crush it! 1158 02:12:04.980 --> 02:12:13.070 Deborah Tarasevich: Sorry, Barbara, if you're interrupting. Some of us still work for a living during the day. If we could do this in the early evening. I think that might be better. For many of us. 1159 02:12:13.603 --> 02:12:14.130 Bruce Daggy: That's fine! 1160 02:12:14.130 --> 02:12:14.880 Deborah Tarasevich: Possible. 1161 02:12:15.990 --> 02:12:17.449 Barbara: Okay. Well, send me. 1162 02:12:17.450 --> 02:12:19.539 Bruce Daggy: Well, I'll I'll see what Ryan can do. 1163 02:12:19.540 --> 02:12:20.210 Barbara: Yeah, yeah. 1164 02:12:20.210 --> 02:12:25.829 Bruce Daggy: So, you know, if you want Ryan, I I don't know if we can get him on an evening, but we can try. 1165 02:12:26.200 --> 02:12:31.519 Barbara: Yeah, okay, just we'll try. We'll start with that. And we'll we'll see what we can do. Okay. 1166 02:12:31.520 --> 02:12:38.629 Robert Gilmore: Can I just make a 30 second comment, slash observation. I would 1167 02:12:38.660 --> 02:12:40.180 Robert Gilmore: really urge. 1168 02:12:40.867 --> 02:12:42.690 Robert Gilmore: Everyone in town 1169 02:12:42.920 --> 02:13:06.209 Robert Gilmore: before you start making accusations about ulterior motives and lack of transparency. Just assume that your fellow neighbors are acting in good faith until proven otherwise. So. I understand there are different points of view on this. But I I really was troubled by the tone of the letter that you read Deb. Not the 1170 02:13:06.220 --> 02:13:09.380 Robert Gilmore: content, but the tone. It just had sort of 1171 02:13:09.480 --> 02:13:14.549 Robert Gilmore: accusations of bad faith by the members of the Meadows Committee that 1172 02:13:14.600 --> 02:13:15.750 Robert Gilmore: seem 1173 02:13:16.070 --> 02:13:34.569 Robert Gilmore: kind of extraordinary to me. So if that's if there's some basis for that, like, okay, that sounds terrible. But maybe they just have different perspectives. And you know, they're not acting in bad faith. I think that happens a lot in town. We feel strongly about things, and we end up. 1174 02:13:35.130 --> 02:13:40.620 Robert Gilmore: I don't know demonizing or or vilifying people who disagree with us. I'd urge. 1175 02:13:40.620 --> 02:13:41.440 Deborah Tarasevich: Yeah, I hear you. 1176 02:13:41.440 --> 02:13:42.260 Robert Gilmore: Ability. 1177 02:13:43.040 --> 02:13:53.779 Deborah Tarasevich: I hear you, rob and I hear you, Rob, I think what sort of is frustrating for us is. We've heard different rationales, and we're just not quite. We just don't. It keeps moving and 1178 02:13:53.800 --> 02:13:56.590 Deborah Tarasevich: and I think, had we heard 1179 02:13:56.630 --> 02:14:03.029 Deborah Tarasevich: the letter that they submitted last night, I think we would have had a different understanding, perhaps. 1180 02:14:04.580 --> 02:14:17.270 Barbara: Okay, so we'll get together and we'll try to like talk about it more face to face, and and hopefully come to an agreement that you know most of us, at least, are feel feel satisfied with 1181 02:14:17.340 --> 02:14:23.879 Barbara: alright. So so get your dates to me, and I'll take the initiative to to see if we can set up that meeting. 1182 02:14:24.790 --> 02:14:35.270 Barbara: Okay? So next item on the agenda is the proposal for year 2 of the municipal leaf composting pilot. So, Kitty, do you want to take it away? 1183 02:14:35.440 --> 02:14:49.880 Kitty Seiferlein: Yeah, thank you, Barbara. About a year ago the Sustainability committee in town brought a proposal to the town Council to establish leaf compost bins on town 1184 02:14:49.880 --> 02:15:17.929 Kitty Seiferlein: property and test how that would work the size of the pile, where we would put them, how we would manage manage it, and whether we would get any compost out of it. The year's done, and we have some results I want to talk about tonight and give you our evaluation and give you proposal for a year 2 of the leaf composting pilot. 1185 02:15:18.130 --> 02:15:37.990 Kitty Seiferlein: The conclusion of the committee was that the the process of collecting the leaves, mulching them, delivering them went quite well. We had full cooperation from the contractor in town. The landscaper delivered mulched leaves whenever we needed, and brought 1186 02:15:37.990 --> 02:16:06.169 Kitty Seiferlein: big wagons up and dumped them in the bins for us. We put up a double bin at the side of the drive up by the maintenance building. After talking over different sites. We found what we thought would be a dry spot, and we took 2 of the county free bins and put it together to make a big bin, and we had a smaller bin as well. 1187 02:16:06.595 --> 02:16:10.750 Kitty Seiferlein: And we filled it with all the leaves, and we 1188 02:16:11.340 --> 02:16:17.959 Kitty Seiferlein: added coffee grounds to get the nutrients in. We watered it because we had the water from the 1189 02:16:18.050 --> 02:16:29.780 Kitty Seiferlein: maintenance building right there. That worked well. What we saw was that we had no interference. Nobody tampered with. We were worried. Were people going to throw things in there, or 1190 02:16:29.830 --> 02:16:54.710 Kitty Seiferlein: we have any rodents? We we had no issues at all. Nobody tampered with it. We had. People ask us what we were doing there, and gave us good time to good opportunity to explain what we were trying to do. We had no, nobody threw any food in or anything that caused any problem, and just a small group of us maintained it where maintenance basically was adding more leaves as it 1191 02:16:55.059 --> 02:17:00.499 Kitty Seiferlein: sink down a little bit, and turning the pile and watering it. 1192 02:17:01.059 --> 02:17:04.059 Kitty Seiferlein: We took measurements. We have a 1193 02:17:04.139 --> 02:17:20.090 Kitty Seiferlein: we had a log book, and we kept all our numbers in it. We measured what the temperature was we topped out, I think, to 140 degrees was the best we hit, which we thought was darn good 1194 02:17:20.833 --> 02:17:21.466 Kitty Seiferlein: and 1195 02:17:22.559 --> 02:17:28.950 Kitty Seiferlein: We estimated that we got 202,500 pounds of shredded leaves 1196 02:17:29.170 --> 02:17:52.929 Kitty Seiferlein: big. Guess we we added in about 400 pounds of used coffee grounds that mainly were donations from the Safeway Starbucks in Kings Farm, and some people in town gave us some coffee grounds as well, and we think we've got about 4 cubic yards of compost out of it. 1197 02:17:53.549 --> 02:18:04.159 Kitty Seiferlein: We learned a lot as we did this. We found out that the open way of doing a windrow didn't work very well. We didn't get the temperature high enough. 1198 02:18:04.190 --> 02:18:12.539 Kitty Seiferlein: We concluded that the double bin gave us the volume we needed, and worked a lot better than a single bin 1199 02:18:12.610 --> 02:18:32.789 Kitty Seiferlein: we experimented with adding pipes to get air to go through it. We experimented with putting a tarp over it to see if we could lift the keep the moisture and lift the temperature, and that did nothing. So we don't think that helped. That was something that didn't work. But 1200 02:18:32.790 --> 02:18:51.009 Kitty Seiferlein: we learned a lot. We learned how to build it by layers. We it worked best when we put a layer of the mulch, shredded leaves in, and then and then watered it, and then added the coffee grounds and repeat, repeat. 1201 02:18:52.780 --> 02:18:57.080 Kitty Seiferlein: So our conclusion was that it? That it was a success 1202 02:18:57.200 --> 02:19:07.570 Kitty Seiferlein: we would like to build on this. We would like to go into another year of. We'll continue to call a pilot, because every time we 1203 02:19:07.980 --> 02:19:15.620 Kitty Seiferlein: do something a little different, we learn something else. And we want to continue that. So 1204 02:19:15.980 --> 02:19:34.180 Kitty Seiferlein: we're going to ask the Council, for we've got a request here for 3 3 things, 3 suggestions for carrying this into the next year we worked with the Forestry and Beautification Committee to get their input. And 1205 02:19:34.330 --> 02:19:48.349 Kitty Seiferlein: I have 3 things we wanted to continue. Want to ask. The 1st was to continue the double bin setup that we already have at the Maintenance building, and our committee would continue to maintain that monitor, the site. 1206 02:19:48.610 --> 02:19:54.700 Kitty Seiferlein: The second would be, we're going to suggest creating what we call a private public 1207 02:19:54.810 --> 02:20:12.644 Kitty Seiferlein: a set of private public test sites, that is, residents will have some bins, the double bins on their property, but will use the town leaves. We. We view the our committee views these leaves as 1208 02:20:13.360 --> 02:20:40.730 Kitty Seiferlein: a resource for the town. We don't want the leaves taken out of town. They are an important resource to improve our soil, the quality of the soil, and the maintenance of the water in our soil, so we don't want to give them away. We want to use them here. So we've got several people have volunteered to let us put up on their property a bin. 1209 02:20:40.730 --> 02:20:55.349 Kitty Seiferlein: and then we'll ask contractor, the landscaper to dump the mulch leaves in there, and our committee will help monitor the sites, and if they run into trouble. 1210 02:20:55.500 --> 02:21:07.739 Kitty Seiferlein: need some help stirring it, or or watering, or whatever we'll try to help with that. And the 3rd request is, we would like to cut a little niche out of the bamboo 1211 02:21:07.760 --> 02:21:23.839 Kitty Seiferlein: forest by the maintenance, and tuck a double bin in there as well, and see how that works when it's surrounded by the bamboo, would put a little floor in there of the bamboo that's cut down, and 1212 02:21:23.870 --> 02:21:28.010 Kitty Seiferlein: these 3 things together would expand our project. 1213 02:21:28.360 --> 02:21:29.779 Kitty Seiferlein: probably about 1214 02:21:29.980 --> 02:21:37.120 Kitty Seiferlein: 3 times the size of what we had, and give us a lot more compost. The compost that we got out 1215 02:21:37.190 --> 02:21:39.459 Kitty Seiferlein: from the 1st 1216 02:21:39.540 --> 02:21:52.140 Kitty Seiferlein: year has been used extensively in the town garden and around the Town Hall to improve the soil up there, and the plan is to use it throughout town 1217 02:21:52.140 --> 02:22:14.999 Kitty Seiferlein: for other trees that are that could benefit from some some better mulch around them. So it's all going to go back into the community if we can expand it like this and have more mulch next year, more compost. Next year we'll be able to offer it to town for their own residences resident in their own yards as well. 1218 02:22:15.010 --> 02:22:18.349 Kitty Seiferlein: So that's our proposal for year 2. 1219 02:22:18.770 --> 02:22:26.189 Peter Nagrod: Hey, Kitty? I have a question. From maintenance perspective. So Rj, was the one that provided the leads right. 1220 02:22:26.710 --> 02:22:27.989 Kitty Seiferlein: Yeah, I believe it is. 1221 02:22:28.233 --> 02:22:30.420 Peter Nagrod: Yeah, I just have a question as far as 1222 02:22:30.830 --> 02:22:36.080 Peter Nagrod: how do they get? So they I know how they can pick the leaves up. How do they get the leaves 1223 02:22:36.160 --> 02:22:41.109 Peter Nagrod: into? Do they put the leaves in the bin, or do they dump them by the bin? And you guys put them in. 1224 02:22:41.110 --> 02:22:45.950 Kitty Seiferlein: It was a combination they backed. They had some sort of equipment, and we 1225 02:22:46.010 --> 02:22:48.560 Kitty Seiferlein: we had 3 sides 1226 02:22:48.590 --> 02:22:51.380 Kitty Seiferlein: built, and we kept it open on one side. They. 1227 02:22:51.380 --> 02:22:52.050 Peter Nagrod: Okay. 1228 02:22:52.050 --> 02:22:53.900 Kitty Seiferlein: Thing up and dumped it in. 1229 02:22:53.950 --> 02:22:57.879 Kitty Seiferlein: and then they just dumped a pile for us to try a windrow. 1230 02:22:57.970 --> 02:23:03.369 Kitty Seiferlein: Yeah, I mean, just an open pile that wasn't surrounded by any leaves. So that was. 1231 02:23:03.760 --> 02:23:04.620 Peter Nagrod: Good, good. 1232 02:23:04.620 --> 02:23:14.039 Bruce Daggy: We we also we also topped up, I mean, they they dumped next to it, and and we finished building the piles just using pitchforks. It's not that hard. 1233 02:23:15.060 --> 02:23:15.680 Peter Nagrod: Okay. 1234 02:23:15.910 --> 02:23:24.950 Barbara: Thanks for that presentation. That was a lot of information, and really helpful. So so there's a request here. Do I have a motion to approve this request. 1235 02:23:26.270 --> 02:23:27.680 Peter Nagrod: I'll make the motion. 1236 02:23:27.680 --> 02:23:29.240 Barbara: Okay. Peter. Second. 1237 02:23:29.240 --> 02:23:30.769 Eva Langston Patrone: I'll second it. Eva. 1238 02:23:30.770 --> 02:23:33.269 Barbara: Eva keeping it with the theme. 1239 02:23:33.290 --> 02:23:34.870 Barbara: Any discussion. 1240 02:23:35.800 --> 02:23:41.090 Peter Nagrod: I'm just curious like with Georgette. Make Georgette speak. The the bamboo. 1241 02:23:41.150 --> 02:23:52.029 Peter Nagrod: which is there any? That's the only thing I can see that some I've not me. But I don't know if anybody has any concerns about going into that sacred sacred bamboo forest. 1242 02:23:52.630 --> 02:23:56.649 Peter Nagrod: Is that something, Georgette? That would be of concern to Fmb. 1243 02:23:57.020 --> 02:24:04.169 Georgette Cole: Oh, no, absolutely not I think it. It would provide a very suitable screen and 1244 02:24:05.410 --> 02:24:07.439 Georgette Cole: and actually 1245 02:24:08.070 --> 02:24:26.400 Georgette Cole: F and B would find it interesting to have more information about exactly what would keep bamboo from growing, because we do have other areas in town where we have bamboo on town property, where we really would like not to have it so. More information in that respect would be good too. 1246 02:24:29.580 --> 02:24:31.067 John Compton: So you're gonna require 1247 02:24:31.650 --> 02:24:39.012 John Compton: composting at all the bamboo sites is that when it when it works, when it retards the bamboo 1248 02:24:39.400 --> 02:24:47.129 Georgette Cole: Any anything that if you know honestly, if we could figure out if it actually did retard the bamboo, I'd give it serious consideration. 1249 02:24:47.320 --> 02:24:47.970 John Compton: Yeah, yeah. 1250 02:24:47.970 --> 02:24:48.730 Peter Nagrod: Oops! 1251 02:24:49.100 --> 02:25:00.890 John Compton: So. So my question, though, about the proposal with the bamboo is supposing it's successful, what would you know? What's what? What's the follow on 1252 02:25:02.810 --> 02:25:04.710 John Compton: the follow-on action. 1253 02:25:06.460 --> 02:25:07.700 Barbara: You're asking, Kitty. 1254 02:25:08.880 --> 02:25:11.040 John Compton: Anyone I mean you. You want to play. 1255 02:25:11.040 --> 02:25:15.110 Kitty Seiferlein: We just we just want to see if it'll work this year. Yeah. 1256 02:25:15.110 --> 02:25:23.769 Bruce Daggy: It's, I think our our thinking, John, is just to gradually scale this up. One reason for for suggesting the public private partnership 1257 02:25:23.790 --> 02:25:25.809 Bruce Daggy: is that we. 1258 02:25:25.980 --> 02:25:34.480 Bruce Daggy: you know it's hard to find a big location in town where we could do something like this. Secondly, everybody's house has a garden hose. 1259 02:25:34.520 --> 02:25:50.050 Bruce Daggy: so the watering is is easier. So there's some places in town that would be very difficult to get water to so around the maintenance shed we can get water to and around our houses we can get water to. And so that's the thinking we're just if we triple what we did this year. 1260 02:25:50.240 --> 02:25:54.000 Bruce Daggy: And it works. Then we'll figure out if we can triple it again. 1261 02:25:54.510 --> 02:25:54.975 Bruce Daggy: Hmm. 1262 02:25:55.440 --> 02:26:12.379 Kitty Seiferlein: We had no idea we a year ago we had no idea we would suggest these things this year crossed our mind yet about the bamboo or a public private thing. So I would expect a year from now. Maybe something else will develop that we'll want to suggest. 1263 02:26:13.110 --> 02:26:13.710 Peter Nagrod: Yeah. 1264 02:26:13.710 --> 02:26:14.430 Barbara: Alright! 1265 02:26:14.830 --> 02:26:17.289 Barbara: Alright! Any other questions. 1266 02:26:18.520 --> 02:26:21.440 Barbara: Can we go for a vote? All in favor? 1267 02:26:23.390 --> 02:26:25.890 Barbara: Okay, opposed 1268 02:26:26.580 --> 02:26:29.459 Barbara: nobody. Okay. Passes 1269 02:26:29.500 --> 02:26:31.269 Barbara: alright. We finally passed something. 1270 02:26:31.270 --> 02:26:32.060 Peter Nagrod: Yeah, congratulations. 1271 02:26:34.360 --> 02:26:36.809 Peter Nagrod: But you're betting you're betting 3, 33. 1272 02:26:37.830 --> 02:26:39.779 Barbara: Put me down. 1273 02:26:39.780 --> 02:26:40.610 Robert Gilmore: Favor Sorry. 1274 02:26:40.610 --> 02:27:01.340 Barbara: Okay, yeah, that. So that was unanimous in favor. Okay, so other business. Okay, town council reports. This is a fun one the sustainability is discussing a chicken keeping ordinance. I gather that at the moment we are not allowed to have chickens at our homes, and somebody thinks that we should. 1275 02:27:01.360 --> 02:27:16.039 Barbara: And so we'll see how that discussion goes again with the Sustainability Committee. They report that the charger usage for the electric cars went up this month, and that saved 90 gallons of fuel. 1276 02:27:16.570 --> 02:27:35.420 Barbara: The Emergency Preparedness and Safety Committee is recruiting and re-energizing. So if anybody's interested in a committee to join, that's a really good one. There's, you know, some serious issues that need to be looked at to make sure that we stay safe in town. So please look at that 1277 02:27:35.860 --> 02:27:40.840 Barbara: the planning Commission is considering an ordinance. Ordinance changes 1278 02:27:40.850 --> 02:27:46.670 Barbara: for the commercial corner, as you probably most people know, the landlord wants to 1279 02:27:46.790 --> 02:27:53.759 Barbara: renovate and and add and do some wonderful things there. So we have to go through that process. 1280 02:27:54.170 --> 02:28:01.710 Barbara: So very good. Okay. So next we're on to the approval of the August minutes, which I will put up. 1281 02:28:02.840 --> 02:28:06.330 Barbara: But I'm sure everybody has read them right? Yes. 1282 02:28:07.028 --> 02:28:10.709 Barbara: okay, this is, gonna take me a second. I'm sorry. 1283 02:28:14.570 --> 02:28:16.710 Peter Nagrod: Well, you do that, I'll I'll I'll make the motion to approve. 1284 02:28:16.710 --> 02:28:19.319 Barbara: Yes, thank you. I'll second. 1285 02:28:19.320 --> 02:28:20.330 marywarfield: Very. 1286 02:28:20.330 --> 02:28:26.019 Barbara: Okay, so do you need to look at it? Because, of course, you've all read them before. 1287 02:28:26.040 --> 02:28:30.250 Barbara: So maybe we don't need to put it up. Okay, let's vote all in favor. 1288 02:28:30.840 --> 02:28:32.740 Barbara: Okay, oppose 1289 02:28:32.850 --> 02:28:35.710 Barbara: nobody. Okay. That passes great. 1290 02:28:35.710 --> 02:28:36.200 Peter Nagrod: Yeah. 1291 02:28:36.200 --> 02:28:49.150 Barbara: Alright. Then the next meeting is on October 14, th at 7 30, and you'll be back to your regular mayor running. That will be fun. Okay. So any last minute comments. 1292 02:28:49.170 --> 02:28:50.840 Barbara: anything 1293 02:28:51.000 --> 02:28:51.629 Barbara: we didn't. 1294 02:28:51.630 --> 02:28:52.100 Peter Nagrod: No, it's a. 1295 02:28:52.100 --> 02:28:53.600 Barbara: Oh, I'm serious! 1296 02:28:55.045 --> 02:28:56.490 Peter Nagrod: Okay. 1297 02:28:56.710 --> 02:28:57.190 Kathy Lehman: Urban. 1298 02:28:57.190 --> 02:29:06.379 Barbara: More about storm water management than we thought we ever would. But there's more to learn stuff. So alright. Thanks, everybody. Have a good night. Take care. 1299 02:29:06.380 --> 02:29:07.130 Peter Nagrod: Good night.