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Peter Nagrod: Goody, everybody!

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Peter Nagrod: Hmm.

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Kathy Lehman: Can you hear me, John?

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John Compton: Yeah.

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Peter Nagrod: Okay, just checking.

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Peter Nagrod: I was wondering, too.

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Kathy Lehman: Really dead, very quiet.

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John Compton: It was silent. Nope, nobody will say, Hello, yeah. Good evening. Everybody.

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Kathy Lehman: Hey! Hey!

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John Compton: Just waiting to see if Chris will be here, and we'll I know he will be there. He is okay.

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John Compton: and I move everybody where I can see you right, all right. Well.

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John Compton: nothing like a little controversy to bring out the attendees of the council meeting.

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John Compton: Right so let's go ahead and call the January Tenant Council meeting.

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John Compton: To order and I'm going to put up the agenda for approval.

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Kathy Lehman: Are the council members all there? I can't.

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John Compton: Everybody's here.

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Kathy Lehman: Thank you.

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John Compton: Okay. Motion to approve the agenda. Please.

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Peter Nagrod: I'll make the motion.

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Robert Gilmore: Oh, so I can.

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Peter Nagrod: Thanks.

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Eva: And I would like to make a motion to amend the agenda. This is Eva.

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John Compton: So you don't wanna even get to this item. Huh?

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Eva: I I just feel like we already voted so I would like to take off. Item 16 about the jungle gym. I feel like we voted on it last time in December. It was a unanimous

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Eva: yes, we're removing it, and I feel like it's just kind of wasteful of our time to revisit it again at the very next meeting.

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John Compton: I.

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Barbara: I second Eva's motion to remove that item.

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John Compton: Okay? Well, I put it on there. And actually, 2 of the council members are.

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John Compton: we're going to move it and second it.

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John Compton: since I wasn't at the meeting, and I didn't hear the actual reasoning as to why

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John Compton: there was a preemptive move to remove one piece of equipment.

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Eva: Before we get into this conversation, should we vote on whether or not we're removing it from the agenda.

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Barbara: Correct.

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John Compton: Well, no, you've moved to you moved to amend it. We we can talk about that.

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Eva: Okay.

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Barbara: I would.

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Eva: Just like to say that I put my reasoning forth in email to the council members and to you. I put it in the Listserv, and I put it in the December Bulletin, and I know you were out of town, so I know you might have missed out because of that. But again, I just feel like if there were Council members who wanted to make amendments to that emotion in December they could have done that, and they didn't, and we voted

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Eva: so I'm just, you know, to me it just sets a bad precedent to revisit it again so soon.

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Eva: So that's all I'll say.

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John Compton: Okay, I think the argument about precedent is does not hold much credence.

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John Compton: There's every reason to revisit actions of the Council. If the

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John Compton: if the understanding at the time a motion was carried or or voted against either way.

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John Compton: has changed.

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John Compton: So

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John Compton: it's it's not a it's not. It's not unreasonable to reconsider. That doesn't mean it's going to be

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John Compton: changed by any means. But if there is some some, perhaps

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John Compton: more more information or more more a different argument. And I think we have one here.

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John Compton: I'm not sure. For example, I'm not even sure it was mentioned that there was going to be a playground committee to produce a comprehensive playground improvement study.

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Eva: Oh!

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John Compton: Because that's 1 of my essential points. If there is really no reason to preemptively decide that this piece of equipment or that piece of equipment

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John Compton: is is is

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John Compton: no longer desirable. When you're about to have an energetic group who's really wants to take a look and make, really, you know, make, I'm sure, make good arguments for improvements to the playground that they wouldn't include that in their their consideration in their proposal. So you know it's it it I don't understand.

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John Compton: I'd like the town to understand. Why are you? Just? Why is the Council just agreeing that in in a vacuum, in the absence of this proposal, that one piece of equipment is is is should be jettisoned.

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John Compton: My only reason for doing this was to get the those arguments on the table.

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John Compton: if if the Council feels those arguments are all on the table and they're they're happy with the decision. Obviously.

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John Compton: that's fine.

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John Compton: So there is. Ava has, proposed amending the the agenda by dropping item 16

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John Compton: which you can do. I mean, you know you realize the Council. The council counselors who want to raise that can still make that motion, even though it's not on the agenda

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John Compton: so unless they decide they don't want to discuss this matter. There's really a it really serves.

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John Compton: It's it's not, it's it's not going to keep it off. And a discussion. So I I just throw that out because I I think

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John Compton: I think that's more to the point than because we are talking about the agenda. But, on the other hand, it's up to you guys. So any other discussion on altering the agenda and removing the final.

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Barbara: Yes,

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Barbara: Eva went to great lengths to study this issue. She's been looking at it for 2 years with residents in town. She has been very clear and transparent about what she has found out, and what people have told her, and and told me, and told the other counselors, it's been very clear that the one item of consensus on the playground

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Barbara: is to get rid of that jungle gym, and that was people had an opportunity to come to the meeting during the last meeting and speak up about it. Eva had placed items in the Bulletin and on the Listserv to let everybody know that this was going to be talked about.

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Barbara: and of all the playground things. This is the one thing that there was agreement on, and that's why Eva, and I know, Eva. You can speak very well for yourself. But this is why Eva was putting that forward, because that's the way to get started. And there, in fact, were other things that Eva promoted along those lines as well, things about handicapped parking spaces and making some of the access

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Barbara: little bit more open for people who use wheelchairs and strollers. So this has been an ongoing process. This isn't like oh, Eva woke up one day and decided to throw it out there. And I said, Oh, yeah, let's put it on the agenda. This has been an ongoing thing for a matter of years, and this was passed unanimously. And now we're 35 days out from that vote.

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Barbara: and there has not been any new information presented to us that would make us change our mind. The circumstances have not changed. Eva had done due diligence in this. Nobody has made any kind of complaint about the process like oh, we didn't know or oh, we didn't realize that was you meant that jungle dream we thought you meant. Yep, nothing like that.

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Barbara: This has been a very open, clear organized process, very clear vote.

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Barbara: you know, why would we go back and revote on something that we just voted on 35 days ago, in the absence of any kind of new information, new circumstances, or anything. I agree with Eva. I think it sets a very bad precedent. I mean, we could just go back to all of our votes from last month or from 2 months ago or 3 months ago. But that doesn't really move us forward. We made a decision. There's no reason to change it tonight, and let's let it go.

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Eva: Thank you, Barbara, and I will also add.

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Peter Nagrod: My hand is raised. Can I speak either.

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Eva: Okay. Go ahead.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah, all right, because my name is on is on this thing, and I'm not too thrilled about that and jungle gym to me. Honestly, there's a lot more important things going on in the world and in the grove than a jungle gym, but I just want to remind you, and I might have my facts all right here, but I'm going back to the meadow.

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Peter Nagrod: and what took place there where we just like with the group. Your group. We empowered the Metal Committee. They did exhaustive research. They did a fantastic, totally great thing. I was totally convinced with it. But

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Peter Nagrod: all this new information came out. I don't think you want to call it information, but discussion came out, threats of a petition, and we we listened to them. We say we did. We went through a compromise, and we ended up with what I think was a much better solution, a win-win solution. And what happened is information came out like. I don't think that the mellow committee was aware that some residents, you know.

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Peter Nagrod: thought that a lot of these trees that they were taking down were, you know what needed to be taken down versus taking down healthy ones, whatever it was. But there was a lot of additional information, and I think, as Mayor John gets a lot of information, and I've heard some things also from other people within town who.

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Peter Nagrod: when they heard about this, where I'm concerned about taking, you know, doing something with that. And that's all. I'm just saying that in fairness this is the grove. This is not. Yeah.

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Peter Nagrod: This is not. You know us Congress, or whatever, and there is a lot of flexibility in the grove, and we do listen to all our residents, and nobody's going to be using the jungle gym for the next 2 or 3 months. It's going to be sitting there, and I know it's it's a pain in the butt. You know I spent 6 years getting a sign put up. It takes forever to do things in Washington Grove.

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Peter Nagrod: but I don't know why everybody's taking this so personal if we just want to, you know, listen to some more information. Yeah, I don't know. Do we have do? Can I just ask Eva? Do we actually have an inspector who does this come out and look at the

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Peter Nagrod: yes, certified inspector.

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Eva: Yes, I mean all of the playground consultants that I brought in are

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Eva: professionals who know the current safety standards and regulations.

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Peter Nagrod: Things.

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Eva: Can tell us what is up to code and what is not up to code. That jungle gym is not up to safety standards, current safety standards. It doesn't have anything to do with. How like structurally sounded is just its very nature is not up to current safety standards. I don't want to belabor the point, because my whole point was that we're we're being wasteful of time. I will say

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Eva: John's point about the new playground group, the leader of the new playground group wanted to see how this vote of removing the jungle gym would go, and the reason why he was willing to take up this cause was because the vote passed unanimously, and to him it represented the growth. There had been a lot of resistance towards removing old equipment, and this was a sign that people were willing to be open minded, and flexible.

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Eva: and consider removing some old equipment. Also, I did have a playground work group that created the survey that showed that people

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Eva: from the survey results seemed fine with removing the playground or the jungle gym, so

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Eva: I don't really think there's any new information here. And

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Eva: again I just want I just will say we voted on this. It was unanimous. People had plenty of time to bring their concerns at that time, and they didn't.

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Eva: So. And and you're right. I don't think it's going to be removed in the next few weeks, and you know whatever. But

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Eva: I just that, that's all I'll say.

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Peter Nagrod: And I think we should just go ahead and vote on.

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Peter Nagrod: so can I show the picture now I have of of your children playing on it.

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Eva: And I would like.

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Peter Nagrod: That's it.

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Eva: Point out that just because my children play on stuff.

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Peter Nagrod: I know.

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Eva: That I'm not gonna remove it like that's not a good enough reason to keep.

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Peter Nagrod: No, I don't.

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Eva: So okay, anyway, that that's all we can vote on.

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Peter Nagrod: Well, I just wanted to have my say, and I did. Thank you. Thank you for listening to me.

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Peter Nagrod: John.

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John Compton: Any other comments about the agenda about the the request to remove this from the agenda.

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John Compton: Okay? Then then let's have a Council vote on removing item 16 from the agenda

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John Compton: all in favor opposed.

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Peter Nagrod: I'm going to abstain.

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Kathy Lehman: I can't see any of the vote. Can someone tell me? Please.

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John Compton: There were 3 in favor. I didn't see what Mary did. Chris is against, and Peter is is what.

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Peter Nagrod: I'm abstaining.

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John Compton: You're abstaining. And all right, Marathon, you're about.

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Peter Nagrod: Can I do that? Yeah.

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John Compton: Mary's not voting, Mary, we need to vote. You're not. You're muted.

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John Compton: If you're speaking, we're not hearing.

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Peter Nagrod: What?

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John Compton: Okay, Mary, raise your hand if you're voting in favor.

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John Compton: Okay, so that's 4, 4, 1 and an abstention. Okay, we're we're taking it off of the the agenda. I I any other comments about the agenda.

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Eva: Oh, this is actually just a typo, but it says under council reports the Hpc. Is patron, but I don't do the Hpc.

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John Compton: Who did that? Dang it? I'm sorry, that's all.

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John Compton: Who does the Hpc. I do.

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Peter Nagrod: Whatever it does.

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John Compton: Yeah, sorry. Let's fix that right off the bat.

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John Compton: I don't know why. I think it was just a holdover from what I

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John Compton: was altering, so I may not have.

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Eva: I think he would.

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John Compton: Okay, I've fixed that any other anything else.

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marywarfield: Reason you can't hear. I can't do anything is I can't see anything because the agenda is across my whole screen. So

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marywarfield: that was the reason I was not responding.

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John Compton: Can't. Oh, well.

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marywarfield: You can only see, that's all. I'm just telling you. I can hear everything, but I just can't respond.

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marywarfield: but I can wave my hand.

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John Compton: Yeah. Alright. Well, we'll make it can't change how it appears on here.

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marywarfield: It's okay. I just let you know.

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John Compton: Okay. Any other comments on the agenda.

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Peter Nagrod: No.

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John Compton: Then let's move to adopt the agenda. We've taken off this one, cross it out.

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John Compton: Everybody knows that it's gone.

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John Compton: All right, all in favor.

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Peter Nagrod: There we go!

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John Compton: And a post.

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John Compton: All right. Agenda is adopted. I get the last word, however.

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Kathy Lehman: Oh, please!

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John Compton: And

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Peter Nagrod: Ha! Ha! Ha!

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John Compton: I'm I'm a little bit dismayed that that.

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John Compton: Some of you, maybe all of you.

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John Compton: Feel that that what I consider superficial arguments.

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John Compton: And the need to do something. Anything is a rationale for removing a perfectly good piece of equipment

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John Compton: without a replacement.

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John Compton: So there's no plan. There's no that's not connected to anything

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John Compton: other than that, hey? We don't like it. We don't use it.

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John Compton: It should go. And you know there's a lot of that that kind of argument about a dog park. We would, you know some few people wanted a dog park, and a lot of people said, I don't have a dog. I don't want it near me. I don't want a dog park, and these things that are

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John Compton: oppositional

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John Compton: and affect the rest of the town in in a way that isn't really of consequence to those in a way that those who have opposition.

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John Compton: cause a lot of

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John Compton: potentially just. You know, it's just the majority or the vocal acting when they can, while those who you know they care, but they may not care enough to make up. Make any waves they lose out. And

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John Compton: I, for one, don't think the town should do things that way when there's a good reason to do something new. God knows I've pushed a whole raft of things.

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John Compton: That are, you know, changes, dog park being one of them. But a

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John Compton: what? I consider a negative decision without a compensating.

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Eva: Maybe we should just move on, because I feel like you're talking about the thing. We just took off the.

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Peter Nagrod: I'm talking about everything. I'm not. I'm I'm talking about other things here. This is a more general comment about

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John Compton: About how how one approaches. You know, making making

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John Compton: what I call negative negative, taking negative actions, protective actions, whatever you might want to call them

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John Compton: all right enough on that. We won't go back to that

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John Compton: for a long time until we get a report from the

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John Compton: the energetic playground committee, who, of course, we all are

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John Compton: going to be very grateful that they're going to take as comprehensive a look as they appear to be. So so make no mistake. That is a great service. Oscar's sitting here. He and I had a little email exchange none of that

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John Compton: withstanding. I think the the the welcome idea of

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John Compton: addressing the program is a great one.

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John Compton: Right? All right, let's move along. Then we have come up to a personal public appearance. No sorry move the minutes up in anticipation of a motion later

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John Compton: on Robert's rules of order. Anyway, there was a backlog of minutes, as you can appreciate and

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John Compton: all of them. But DI should have taken d off. There is no d yet. There was another special town council meeting when we talked about the Smi contract, and we awarded it. So that's that's not here.

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John Compton: But the other 4 min are there, and

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John Compton: I'll open the floor to a motion, maybe to improve all of them

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John Compton: by consent, unless somebody has something they really wanted to say about them.

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John Compton: Any specifics that need to be corrected.

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Peter Nagrod: So John is. There was like, I. Only I went through one and got exhausted today. But they were like one or 2 typo type things which aren't really relevant. Can I just send those to Kathy after?

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Peter Nagrod: Yes, of course. Okay. You could have sent them to me. Just send them to you. Okay.

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John Compton: Typos are not the kind of thing we want to be correct.

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Peter Nagrod: Exactly. Yeah, I just want them. Yeah.

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John Compton: Errors of fact, errors of attribution. That's thanks. Bye.

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John Compton: Okay, can someone move to approve the 4 min? We that we do have.

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marywarfield: So move, Mary.

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John Compton: Thank you.

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John Compton: Alright! Not hearing any

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John Compton: corrections, I will move to vote all in favor approving the 4 min. That's the minutes of the meeting in October 14, th the special counsel meeting on the second, which was the meadow.

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John Compton: the Count Council meeting on the 11, th and the council meeting on the 9, th which, by the way, I think Barbara did the minutes. Thank you very much.

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John Compton: Okay, all in favor. They pass unanimously. Thanks

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John Compton: public appearances. So public appearances on anything that's not on the agenda. We're still doing it that way.

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John Compton: We're going to. Well, we'll talk about that when we get there. But anybody.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah.

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John Compton: I see, Howard, you have to unmute Howard.

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Howard Harary: Yeah. So, being unaware that there's there is an agenda item that has to do with

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Howard Harary: the recent snow and ice that we've had on the road. But nevertheless, I'll I'll observe that we have had snow and ice on the road for a week.

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Howard Harary: Seems to be clearing up today. I mean I Grove Grove Road, and and even your your street bridge maple still had quite a bit of ice on it this morning. I wondered if somebody could point me to the town policy on snow removal.

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Howard Harary: and I bring this up only because I saw the item agenda. Item number 9 for the proposal of a limited use of salt, and I didn't know there were any

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Howard Harary: limits or a policy my ignorance. So if you could point me to that and I I would like to observe that having snow and ice on the road for a week is not a good situation, and I'm glad that we didn't have any accidents. But we did have cars and trucks and ditches, and I did see a a plow actually spinning around at at the end of Grove Road, near Railroad Street, because it couldn't make the turn.

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Howard Harary: So there you go.

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John Compton: Okay, we will talk about the policy in due time. Howard.

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Howard Harary: Thank you.

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John Compton: Down here on Item 9.

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John Compton: Okay, Peter, you're a council member.

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Peter Nagrod: Right. I'm just. I just wanna make the announcement that I just got texted that the water restriction has been. I mean.

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John Compton: Yeah, as of. I was gonna announce that.

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John Compton: Yes.

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Peter Nagrod: Citizens report not a council report.

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John Compton: all right. No public appearances. We'll go on to the treasurer's report from Jean Jean's here to add some color and life to the to the Council report actually to add anything and answer questions. Jean.

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Jean Moyer: You expect too much from me, John?

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Jean Moyer: The only comment. Well, really on on page 3. At the bottom.

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Jean Moyer: the expenses for tree planting in the residential areas appears lower than than the the amount of money that went out the door. Because we are utilizing the George Payne funds.

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Jean Moyer: and that was an expense item of itself. It's the last expense. Item on page 5.

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Jean Moyer: if you scroll yep towards the very bottom, you'll see the George Payne Memorial Fund. The 51 30 is fully being offsetting expenses for planting trees this year in the residential area, and we are

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Jean Moyer: trying to get permission to do the same with the Nico's Trees fund this fiscal year as well.

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Jean Moyer: Speaking of trees of a lesser category, the stump we now have

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Jean Moyer: the very bottom, John, is where I keep the.

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Jean Moyer: This is a new addition to my report. New fund balances for the year.

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Jean Moyer: this is how much we have now collected. Thanks to many, many generous donors.

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Jean Moyer: Tom Land has offered to donate another $33, and we can initi's initiating getting drawings on what could be done with

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Jean Moyer: the $8,000 since the town will match whatever's donated up to 5,000.

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Jean Moyer: So we're looking at a budget of 8,000 to do some sort of carving.

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Jean Moyer: So that is where we stand. With that.

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Jean Moyer: Those are the only comments that warrant some sort of verbal explanation beyond what's in the report itself.

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Dennis Kirschbaum: I want to just thank everybody for their donations. Thank you very much.

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Peter Nagrod: So, Tom, thank you for donating $1,033, too.

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Peter Nagrod: So it's at 5,000 right?

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Jean Moyer: No worries.

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Dennis Kirschbaum: Up to 4,000 4,000.

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Jean Moyer: Donated, and the town will match 4,000. So we have a budget of 8.

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John Compton: So far there still could be additional.

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Jean Moyer: And there could be some more between now and then, I think maybe perhaps when people see a design they might be

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Jean Moyer: so moved, but there were a number of extremely generous people in town.

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Jean Moyer: And that's it, for that.

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Peter Nagrod: Right.

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Jean Moyer: Unless there any questions.

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John Compton: Okay, we need a vote to accept the treasurer's report.

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John Compton: So all in favor of accepting the December treasurer's report, any post.

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Peter Nagrod: Right.

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John Compton: Report is accepted.

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John Compton: All right. Jean is now going to go on, and we are in the New Year. We have to look ahead to the fiscal 26 budget, and Jean has prepared some information about the process.

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Jean Moyer: Yeah, I think it should have been in your pack. It's a very detailed timeline

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Jean Moyer: from how we get from today

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Jean Moyer: I tried to put enough detail in there that everybody understands what's happening. And to alert some people

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Jean Moyer: to the need for perhaps addressing some of our contracts in a very timely manner.

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Jean Moyer: it includes like check off as to when information will be shared and who it will be shared with.

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Jean Moyer: I've tried to use some detailed language so that

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Jean Moyer: and done the the various calculations that I do on my own. I put together with John what we're now going to call the like the Mayor's draft budget. It's what he and I think is realistic. Given the input and the funds that we have, that I think will be coming in

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Jean Moyer: Then that draft budget will be called the Council's draft budget.

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Jean Moyer: And again, lots of communication out to residents along the way.

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Jean Moyer: the Council will get public input we'll make any changes that are needed, and then

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Jean Moyer: Whatever revisions or edits are made to it is what, then goes to the town meeting to become the approved town budget.

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Jean Moyer: There are the budget adoption ordinance. There's specific, like

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Jean Moyer: timing constraints stipulated by the ordinance as to when certain information has to be made public, so that has been put in here we have to. The Council has to introduce

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Jean Moyer: the budget adoption ordinance, and then, after the budget is approved by the town, we have a final approval of the budget ordinance, and then in the budget you might recall, we set the property tax rates and a few, and the dwelling tax rate.

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Jean Moyer: and those rates have got to be communicated to the county in sufficient time for them to put their budget together and to put the new rates on the July first.st

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Jean Moyer: Property tax bills. So I have certain constraints. The county

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Jean Moyer: wishes I could get information to them sooner, but because of the timing of the annual town meeting. They understand they have to wait a little bit.

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Jean Moyer: so that takes us from beginning to end.

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Jean Moyer: These are estimated days. We are going to try and stick to them as much as possible. However, there are a few I've put in red that are immovable.

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Jean Moyer: and that's it. I'm busy updating my.

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John Compton: We can't.

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Jean Moyer: Calendar for things I have to get going on.

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John Compton: Yeah, we put this together in gory detail.

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John Compton: where there seemed to be confusion as to where the residents should be looking to get to, to make, give their input

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John Compton: into the budget, and where they will see the items that have

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John Compton: are in the Council, approved Budget. And and it's important that everybody have a chance to look at all of that before the annual town meeting, where? Where?

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John Compton: where we we really it's difficult in a large group to work on specifics in the budget so hopefully this year round. Everybody can get a look, they can express their opinions, they can object, and whatever to the Council, and we'll be able to bang out. You know, a a something that

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John Compton: is is essentially acceptable to everyone. So this timeline includes a bunch of stuff like Mayor sends reminder.

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John Compton: another one down here. So it's going to be extra opportunities to to take a look, and it will include the draft budget at that time to take a look of what's being, what's being in there and then. Then that's the chance for everybody to

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Jean Moyer: And and that that in is intended. There's certain key people in town. That I just work one on one on the an informational meeting for town volunteers and residents is sort of on top of that.

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Jean Moyer: But there are certain people who don't need to make the time to go to an informational meeting. I can work with them one on one. An example of that is Linda Boehm.

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Jean Moyer: She and I just need to iron out about 2 or 3 items every year. There's no reason for her to have to make time to attend a meeting. She and I I think it was a year or 2 ago we had our meeting at Giant

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Jean Moyer: because we bumped into each other.

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Jean Moyer: So some people will expect to hear from me more. One on one informally.

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John Compton: alright great, thank you, Jane.

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John Compton: So that brings us to the mayor's report.

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John Compton: And then let me start out with with kudos for the previous period. The 1st 1st one is concerns the holiday show to every everyone who participated.

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John Compton: The organizers, Judy Marilyn, others, the creative production staff, the participants, of course. And the fun. And there's a video. I've put the link in the

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John Compton: Sure? Not the whole thing. But yeah.

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John Compton: Well, no, the whole thing. Yeah. Okay. The the next kudos go to, particularly to Bob bore, and I will mention town attorney, Sue Allen Ferguson, who worked up to the last minute to complete the stormwater infrastructure maintenance

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John Compton: but we got it done, and we're I'll just remind everyone this was something we needed to do as a record for the Federal Government to indicate that we had obligated to spend our Arpa money, and this constitutes that

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John Compton: and, lastly, to the Meadow Committee and to Dave Coson. Specifically, Chris wanted me to mention, and the other concerned residents, all of whom work, together with my and with Montgomery Parks on the Conservation Meadow Restoration Plan

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John Compton: to make a good plan better and make possible completing phase one before spring before the nesting season. So that took a special effort. And you know, kudos to everybody involved.

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John Compton: Okay. I already mentioned that the Stormwater infrastructure maintenance contract was executed. The next step will be a kickoff meeting to get the design phase for the project. This is the

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John Compton: more detailed design, what they what we call the we're calling the 35% design at which point

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John Compton: the the contract. The the Swim committee will come back to the Council with the recommendations for specifically what the work will look like.

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John Compton: That will fit within our budget that we have budgeted for this project.

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John Compton: which for those of you who don't know, we've committed $570,000 to the project

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John Compton: which would consist of a design work running around 45,000. The remainder for construction in in the various areas around around town.

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John Compton: Let me move on to the shared use pathway report there. I put some things in the in the document folder.

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John Compton: Jay summarized. Where where things are. The planning board has now scheduled the mandatory referral review of the plan that Mcdot has has provided them.

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John Compton: That plan. Our liaison committee, our multi-use pathway liaison committee met with them and gave them comments and additional input in early December.

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John Compton: And the plan now goes to the planning board for review. It's not really an approval. It's for comments. It's also, importantly, the the point at which the public can now make comments on the more detailed aspects of the plan.

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John Compton: So I didn't put it in here we will

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John Compton: the Transportation Department of Transportation. It was actually submitted in A, in a large number of files which isn't terribly convenient for anybody. But there is a there is a summary, a verbal description.

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John Compton: And we'll be sure and get that to everybody in the February Bulletin, if not sooner.

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John Compton: well, the better. Restoration Plan status. We're now going. We now go on to the phase one tree removal which has been approved.

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John Compton: And we are going to contract for that tree removal to happen in February as early as possible.

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John Compton: That's we're going to mention that in a moment in administrative matters, lastly,

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John Compton: the workshops being led by leadership, Montgomery on diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging. This is the second part of their their

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John Compton: assistance, and providing to the town education. In in this area there are 3 sessions for counselors, and the chairs of our commissions and committees

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John Compton: and that's all I have to report

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John Compton: all right. This brings us to administrative matters of which there are a bunch.

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John Compton: The 1st one is the engagement of Myers and laws for the tree. Removal and Conservation meadow.

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John Compton: Myers and Laws made provided the Meadow Committee, when they

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John Compton: saw an opportunity to apply for a grant for removing the trees, they provided an original estimate for the work. And so.

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John Compton: as you all should know, Myers and laws, does the vast majority, if not all, of the tree removal and pruning on town property there, you know we we

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John Compton: believe they do an excellent job. They're very careful. They're very in tune with the way. The grove would like things, and we're happy with them, and they provided a

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John Compton: request for proposal, trigger at at 5,000, but and and all, almost all well. All the work done by them is approved by me prior to them

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John Compton: doing any work around town. So I'm really, basically just informing the council that we're going to engage them to do the tree removal that's to remove

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John Compton: chips may or may not well may or may not be given away, but they they will certainly be moved from within the meadow somewhere.

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John Compton: And that should be occurring by the sometime in February.

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John Compton: Item 8 is a motion. I will turn it over to Barbara, who indicated her intention to make the motion, and when I can do it I'll put it up here.

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John Compton: Not that the Council isn't quite aware of what it is, but let's put it up.

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Barbara: So so the motion is. The Town Council hereby adopts Roberts rules of order, newly revised as its operating rules for all town council meetings.

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Barbara: Right. And and so you have this document here, and this is something that even I put together. Really, for

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Barbara: informational purposes, you know to put on the website. So residents have a better understanding of what this is all about. And so Robert's and I'll just go through very quickly to summarize this, Robert's rules is used like

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Barbara: in almost all major organizations and municipalities. In order to make meetings run more smoothly, they run more fairly and efficiently, and people know sort of what to expect when they come into a meeting. There's no discussion without emotion, and so, therefore, discussions are much more focused and clear. We know the reason why we're discussing something.

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Barbara: So again, yeah, there always needs to be a motion before a discussion takes place. So if somebody has an idea of doing something, they need to put that in the form of a motion, and a lot of this, a lot of the footwork, for it happens before the meeting. So if you want to put a motion like for me for this Robert's rules, I've talked to the different counselors and just gotten some feedback on this document. You know. What do you think? Do you think this is a

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Barbara: good idea to have Roberts rules? And we did a lot of that ahead of time, so that when I came here, you know, I'm able to just say very distinctly, this is what we want to do. We want to adopt these rules.

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Barbara: Let's see.

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Barbara: some people are concerned about getting turned around with the rules and the procedures. Doesn't it get overly bureaucratic, and it is true that there are a lot of rules. I have the book here somewhere. It's quite a quite a big book, but most people don't know all of the rules, and most people don't need to know all of the rules. We had a very short summary provided to us

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Barbara: by the gentleman who trained us in October, Michael Swift. And so that's a really good reference document. And there are a lot of other good reference documents out there that we can use

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Barbara: the role of residents. The role of we would want residents to weigh in on things just like we have our public appearances. We have residents showing up for committees and providing input to councillors through email, through phone calls, through

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Barbara: face-to-face conversations. So that's really important. But they are not town councillors, so their their participation in the meeting would be limited to the mayor calling on someone for a particular reason. It wouldn't be.

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Barbara: you know, anybody just raises their hand and speaks. That's that's a town meeting that's not a town council meeting.

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Barbara: Let's see, motions will be brought by the town councilors. So if anybody in town has an idea for something, they will bring that idea to a town councillor and have that person really kind of shepherd it through the voting process.

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Barbara: Let's see. Yep.

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Barbara: so that's pretty much it. The one thing you know, people might be afraid. Oh, well, the town might. The town Council might decide something, and I don't really know about it. But I think our history has shown that we don't make decisions very quickly in this town. Typically, we discuss them over a period of time. And we really do try to be transparent, as like Eva did with this playground information.

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Barbara: And so we really think there are a lot of opportunities for residents to be involved and to provide input and to do this in a very transparent way. So bottom line is.

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Barbara: I'm really keen on having us do this because I think our meetings are going to be much more organized and run much more smoothly, and be much more predictable about what's going to be on the agenda? Who's going to get to speak when there's a vote?

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Barbara: We hope that will be the end of the conversation, at least for the time being, and just just move things along in a much more efficient way. So

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Barbara: that's that's the motion.

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John Compton: Okay, the motion is up for debate. Any any other comments?

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John Compton: Hearing none.

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Peter Nagrod: No, except I would just. I would just say that I'm very excited about this chapter. I think it's helping the Council understand a little bit more about what their responsibilities are, and I think I feel a lot more empowered by having these rules. And, Barbara, I thank you for kind of

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Peter Nagrod: spearheading. This.

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Barbara: But thanks for your support, Peter.

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Paula Puglisi: There'll be a learning curve input about this.

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John Compton: No.

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Paula Puglisi: Ever.

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John Compton: Yes, for this, for this meeting you can still have input.

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Peter Nagrod: Me!

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Barbara: We. We announced this during the last meeting that it was going to be that it was gonna come up in this meeting. So that was on the agenda that was that was announced during the meeting.

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Paula Puglisi: Okay, that's just one opportunity. So the usually the the residents get to weigh in on any change that's happening over a period of time.

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Eva: I think that's

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Eva: that's what it says in the document, too, is like you. You don't have to only talk during town council meetings.

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Paula Puglisi: No.

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Paula Puglisi: I understand. But I mean to adopt this formally. Are residents going to be able to react to that?

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Paula Puglisi: To that idea of the Council, adopting Robert's rules formally for every meeting.

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Barbara: The Council is empowered by the charter to decide what rules it follows.

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Paula Puglisi: Okay, so residents won't have any. Say in that at all.

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Barbara: I'm sorry, Mary, you started to say.

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marywarfield: Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, I there's gonna be a big learning curve of adjustment from

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marywarfield: the way we've done, and not to say it's a bad thing to change, but you know, and people are used to kind of coming to council and being able to say what they think when items come up

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marywarfield: to suddenly jump into. Okay, this is the only way you do it. You can only speak, and we're not responding to what you speak. You know you have this month before. I mean, that's that's a huge leap. And and I think it probably for all the reasons you say is makes sense to try to get, you know, a little more organized, but we still are small Washington Grove

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marywarfield: Town, and have have operated in a certain way chaotic, certainly at times, but I don't know if there's a way we can.

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marywarfield: you know, phase it in or implement it so that there's some adjustment period to this. This is where we're headed, and this is, you know, the new way of running business in town.

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Eva: Yeah, I mean, I agree, I think there's certainly gonna be an adjustment period and a learning curve for all of us. We're we? We know that we're not gonna be perfect at at this for sure. I do think that that part of the reason why this came up is

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Eva: We are trying to look to shortening and tightening the meetings, and you know, when there's a lot of back and forth, and you know we've certainly seen meetings where residents are talking, and then other residents are responding to them. And it it kind of the whole meeting kind of gets derailed.

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marywarfield: Agreed.

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Eva: So, yeah, so I think this is trying to kind of speak to that. And and you know, it's not going to be textbook, like we all went to the the training for it, and it's I know we're never going to be like those you know examples. But to to give a little bit more order, and I think hopefully

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Eva: help. Residents know what to expect, because I do think there are times when some residents feel like they can just speak out, and other residents are like, oh, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to. And this way, if we stick with these rules it will be more fair that we. This is the time when all residents speak, and this is the time when they don't

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Eva: and then it won't just be the only the squeaky wheels are being heard.

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Kathy Lehman: Son.

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Paula Puglisi: If there are a lot of obscure rules, I'm afraid they could be pulled out at any moment.

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Kathy Lehman: Without.

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Paula Puglisi: Without people knowing about them.

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Paula Puglisi: I mean, there are a ton of rules, a ton of ton of nuance in those rules.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah. But Paul, all right.

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John Compton: Find it that way right.

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Paula Puglisi: Okay. Pardon me.

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John Compton: You can cut off all those esoteric rules

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John Compton: if the Council chooses, because you you simply have a vote to you, know you to end debate.

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John Compton: You can vote to end, debate or not end debate, to, not consider an amendment, to not consider tabling. Those are all

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John Compton: are are formal actions that the you know that the Council can choose to run with or simply vote down, and the challenge will be

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John Compton: understanding. You know, when it's a when it's appropriate to to to keep the discussion from getting out of hand or

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John Compton: reconsiderations, or the amendments of the amendments. That sort of thing, and that's what, really, where the learning curve comes in. You're absolutely right that there are a lot of esoteric potential actions, but they mostly are used in larger bodies than ours. And we'll just have to see how it works. It's, you know, it's all in the application. I want to comment on public input.

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John Compton: so right now we have public appearances at the head of the meeting. I believe the Council is going to continue the public appearances, which will simply be an opportunity to say something about whatever you want, but now it'll be an opportunity to say about anything, including what's on the agenda.

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John Compton: Okay, if a counselor wants to ask you a question, that's fine. But at that point we're not going to bring anybody back

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John Compton: when it gets further into the agenda, and that matter is taken up.

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Paula Puglisi: That's a big difference. So we can comment on what's on the agenda or not on the agenda.

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John Compton: Believe that.

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Paula Puglisi: That would make okay.

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John Compton: Right.

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John Compton: it can be done another way. We can still have the the intent is to reduce the the back and forth.

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Paula Puglisi: Yeah, I get that.

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John Compton: Of the unorganized commentary. So the other way to do it is to come toward an agenda item, allow the public appearance. It's like testimony, and that's it. When you give your testimony you're done.

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Paula Puglisi: Yeah.

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John Compton: And the Council goes on to consider the motion, because it's always in the context of motion. I don't know which way it will. Work isn't clear, but either way everybody will get a chance. I believe the intention is for people to have a chance to have their say.

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marywarfield: And ideally, this would switch it to more of the time between it comes up. And when you actually bring it to a vote where you, you know you can. All the reasons that you say you can write to the council member, you can, you know, get information before the meeting. So it it kind of puts makes people more aware of of what's coming up and having a chance to discuss beforehand as well. Hopefully, ideally, I guess that'll be way at work.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah, I wanted to just say, what Mary just said is that I think we a lot of times we're all very reactive to what's taking place. We read all the documentation the last minute.

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Peter Nagrod: We don't really check on the schedule to maybe the day before the meeting, and what we're trying to do, I think, is a culture change where? Not just the council, but the town is a little bit more proactive, and John mentioned this before, is. Talk to the councils, get the councils engaged, and let them know what you're thinking. If we get people doing that prior to the town council meeting.

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Peter Nagrod: then it will. It's going to be a much more effective meeting, and we won't have. We won't have these situations where we're going on and on.

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Paula Puglisi: I I could say a lot about that, but it's not. I guess it's not. I shouldn't be talking right now. Is that correct?

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John Compton: Yes, I will. After after this meeting we'll we'll the rules will be enforced. Let's put it that way.

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John Compton: Do want really should make it a comment. I make the I say something along these lines privately, frequently, and I'm only gonna say, a partial a bit about my experience over the you know the years.

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John Compton: This will require

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John Compton: council members to work harder between the meetings. When I say work harder everybody may feel well, that's what they should be doing.

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John Compton: And yeah, they should be doing this. And I think that's what the current council was very energetic. You know, most everybody should know that the current council and the last one I mean the last few, have been very energetic and willing to put in the time to do it. There have been councils in the past where they've not been so energetic. And if you, if you're not going to get yourself up to speed and do this between council.

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John Compton: outreach and discussions and whatever. Then you end up with a problem. You end up with a difficulty, because then

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John Compton: you don't want council members coming in and hearing arguments for the 1st time, and.

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Peter Nagrod: I haven't.

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John Compton: Thought about it. And really, first, st I have to come up to speed before you can make an informed vote. If you do the work in between. You'll arrive pretty much with an informed vote. There may be something said during the debate. Obviously it may not be so clear what to do, but we'll see how it works. But it is a change, and I think with the current council it should work fine because everybody's so energetic and hopefully in the future. That will always be the case.

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marywarfield: As a council member. I look forward. I mean, it just gives you some focus and understanding of what you know, what's important, what what's coming up. And and hopefully, you know, it will encourage people to more of a dialogue beforehand, because I often get into a meeting and think

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marywarfield: I really, you know, I have my ideas, and I talk to person here and there, but I really don't have a good idea of what the town feels like. So if you would really had a forum where you would feel like you were getting as much commentary as you could get before you go in to make a decision that really really helps a lot. As a council member.

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John Compton: Any other comments on this motion.

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Kathy Lehman: And we'll move to a vote all in favor of the adoption of Robert's rules of order for Council operation.

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John Compton: And that's unanimous. Okay, thank you. Everyone.

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John Compton: All right.

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John Compton: Next item is a town policy. Next, administrative matter, a town policy on using salt for snow removal.

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marywarfield: Let's see.

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John Compton: So the town policy for for snow removal.

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John Compton: it. It isn't a formal, you know, policy and procedure, but the previous

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John Compton: action of the council, where where there was an actual positive

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John Compton: formal agreement was not to use salt in removing in town, and this was

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John Compton: agreed to. I wanna say, 7 or 8 years ago?

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John Compton: In the. Since then there have been relatively few

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John Compton: situations where that has proved approved a problem.

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John Compton: We've we, however, periodically, there obviously are conditions where the snow on the roads well, I'll back up.

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John Compton: We don't scrape the snow down to the asphalt. Nobody does that, because that's a good way to run your road road, repair bills up astronomically. You damage the road. So you

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John Compton: down about about to an inch or 2

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John Compton: and then you get rid of the rest of it by melting, or, you know.

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John Compton: just by use cars running over it.

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John Compton: But when it's cold and it stays cold, obviously, or there's a period of cold. And then you snow on top of it and snow on top of snow. Yeah, we get the situation we've had this last week, which we all know in in the grove there are places where, if it melts.

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John Compton: it's slow to melt, and this makes makes life difficult. So clearly.

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John Compton: A lot of people were unhappy. We instituted putting down sand, which

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John Compton: Rj. Has done, and Peter has overseen. And Rj. Has

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John Compton: done that Steve works helps out with that but that it does not

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John Compton: eliminate ice. It simply makes it possible to

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John Compton: go on ice until more snow falls, and then we're back to where we are before, or there's a little bit of meltage. The sand goes into the ice. That's not helpful.

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John Compton: all right. So the proposal that has been discussed between Peter and

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John Compton: Rj. And a variety of residents who have weighed in is that we agree. We change the policy to utilize salt

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John Compton: in very specific instances. In in the usual very specific places around town, where the salt, where we know that ice is going to be a problem.

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John Compton: So I think I would like the Council to

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John Compton: sort of weigh in on the, on the

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John Compton: use of salt under very specific conditions, when when it's not going to melt, when the temperatures are going to remain cold, when it's obviously prudent to aid in melting of the ice to make it safer around town in various places.

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John Compton: Okay, open up.

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Barbara: So I'm just it. Is there a motion for this.

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John Compton: It's a i'm proposing this policy. This is an administrative thing. So yeah, I mean, right now, I started out by saying, the policy is a consensus direction of the Council to the mayor

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John Compton: to not use salt.

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Eva: Yeah, I I mean, I can make a motion that we update our snow removal procedures.

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Eva: so I and and I don't. I don't know. I mean, I think I'm hearing that there's an idea from Rj. And Peter of how and when we would use salt. But I don't, and I think it's something written up for that.

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John Compton: We can write something up, but it'll still be vague, even when written. It will be vague. But that's.

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Eva: Okay. But yeah, I mean, I'll make a motion for us to update our snow removal policies to use ice

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Eva: or to use.

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Peter Nagrod: So.

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Eva: Salt in circumstances that are deemed necessary by Peter and Rj.

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Barbara: Exactly.

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marywarfield: It which has been.

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John Compton: Okay, before we have a discussion. I wanna I wanna mention we'll look in. We'll we'll we'll look into whether we know everything about alternatives to salt. But everything we know so far is that that

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John Compton: mayor is not likely. There's not likely to be an alternative.

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John Compton: Because well, for a variety of reasons, but we can look into that as well. So it's really salt. We use salt to mean

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John Compton: I smell, I said.

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Eva: Materials.

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John Compton: Yeah. Ice melt, or something like that.

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Eva: Yeah. And I do feel like as you said, th, these events happen so infrequently that

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Eva: you know we're not talking about using it

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Eva: often. So, but, as as many of you know, there was an incident on Ridge Road over the weekend, with trucks sliding off the road into the ditch. So I do think this is necessary.

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Eva: So.

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John Compton: You'll note that wasn't Grove residents sliding off.

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Kathy Lehman: Okay.

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Peter Nagrod: It was, Amazon was more important than.

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John Compton: All right.

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John Compton: Additional discussion.

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Peter Nagrod: No? Well, I just want to say, because I'm looking at him right now is Steve. I must have called Steve at least 10 times over the weekend, and he was out every time, and you know we give out kudos just like tremendous to have somebody like that in town who helps you know, helped us in this situation. So thank you, Steve.

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marywarfield: Agreed.

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John Compton: Steve Jackson.

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John Compton: He's better. He's better than Saul.

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John Compton: but but we don't want to rely on him in the same way.

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Peter Nagrod: No, no.

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Kathy Lehman: Can I.

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John Compton: So I'll write something up and send it around to make sure it. And if we have to bring it back next month, just for a formal approval. We'll do that. But I think the Council has agreed that under under these dangerous and and cold conditions it's appropriate to use salt, and

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John Compton: in in those locations where you know it, it becomes danger.

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Kathy Lehman: Can we make it friendly on the dog's paws? Please.

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Peter Nagrod: Yes.

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John Compton: That everything has a negative. I'm afraid.

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Kathy Lehman: No, but you'll get. You'll get a lot of brownie points.

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John Compton: And that is one of them.

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John Compton: All right.

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John Compton: Alright! So brings us to Item 10, which is summarize delivery of the Town Bulletin to post office boxes. We have

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John Compton: another motion this time from Eva, and I'm going to put that up here.

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John Compton: As soon as I can.

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John Compton: so that she can go ahead.

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John Compton: So Eva, go ahead.

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Eva: Yeah, so, and I'm totally open to discussing this and anyways. But my motion is all town residents will be given the option of receiving the monthly bulletin in their po box, as well as continuing to distribute it through email. Those who opt in. So only those who opt in

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Eva: receive the Bulletin in their po box each month.

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Eva: So that's the motion I'm making.

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John Compton: Back, in.

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Barbara: Barbara, second.

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John Compton: Okay.

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Eva: Okay, yeah. And I mean, I won't go through this whole thing. But

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Eva: you know. And I know that there are the the main purpose of this is to make sure as many of our residents as possible are as informed as possible, and I know we're never going to get everyone to read the Bulletin, and I know there are still going to be people who complain that they don't know what's going on, or they didn't know something was happening, but I feel like it's a relatively small cost. And Maryland

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Eva: did some back of the envelope, you know calculations of how much this would cost, and I guess maybe I had said I had given a figure that that might just be for the postage and not for the cost of the paper so, but it's still going to be a relatively small cost, because we would only be printing for people who opt in. And I feel like it would be a big gain, even if it only gets, you know

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Eva: some people to be more well informed. Why not meet people where they are? Everyone in town has a Po box, not everyone is, you know. I I think also

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Eva: the issue here, because I hear people saying.

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Eva: well, people can just print it out from their computer, or people can just go to the town office to pick up the bulletin. But the more steps you have, the more people are going to fall away and not do those things, you know. Right now they have to open the email, and then they have to click the link. And then it's not formatted for computer or phone, because it's still formatted for print.

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Eva: And I've heard people say, it's really hard to read on their phones. So it's just the more obstacles you put in the way. Not everybody is gonna walk over to Kathy to get the bulletin from the office. A lot of people just don't even it gets lost in their email.

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Eva: So I just feel like, this is kind of, you know, I used to be a teacher, and you teach things in a variety of modalities, in a variety of ways to try to reach the most students. And I feel like this is something relatively easy. I've already told Kathy that I will be at her beck and call to come, and you know, address and and label the the

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Eva: bulletins when they're ready, and you know, or I can find other volunteers to help with that. So I feel like it's a relatively low, cost, relatively easy thing that we used to do for all residents, and I'm only suggesting now that we do it, for residents who want it, and hopefully it can get more residents, you know.

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Eva: informed coming to town events. You know I'm the liaison for the rec committee, and

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Eva: I just feel like there are a lot of people who are not aware of events in town, and this is just another way to get the information out again. I know it's still not gonna get everyone to read it, but even if we get a few more people to read it, I think it would be worth it.

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Peter Nagrod: Reaching to the choir.

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marywarfield: I just. I just have a question for the person who it maybe will affect most, which is Kathy, who is Kathy? And she had to do it before. So I would ask Kathy to tell us what it entails in terms of that, and I think it's great that you should volunteer, Ava. But you know that's kind of a not a sure thing for her. And if it's gonna end up falling completely on her shoulders, I mean. Maybe it's only 15 people, and it's not a big deal, but I just think it's unfair to, you know, to add that

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marywarfield: to her her burden without it being a little bit more specific. Of how about how that would be handled?

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Eva: Oh, sure. Yeah. Kathy.

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Kathy Lehman: Well, I would. I would say this rather than changing the entire way that we do it at this point. Can I just change the form so that it's more readable on other electronic devices.

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Eva: Do do you mean.

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Kathy Lehman: Instead of columns instead of columns. Do it another way. Do it all. It'll still.

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Kathy Lehman: You'll still have paper. People can get it. But

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Kathy Lehman: my understanding about the problem is that when people go to open the bulletin on their phones

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Kathy Lehman: that it's a problem and they can't read it. And it's a mess. So let's change the form before we go through this other step, because I have done it before, and it is a pain in the ass. Excuse me.

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Paula Puglisi: If you.

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Eva: I mean, that's that's an option, certainly, that I'm

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Eva: I mean, I think that's a good thing to do as well.

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Eva: I still personally like the idea of. And I know. And I'm sorry, Kathy, because I know that you really don't want to have to go back to doing this.

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Kathy Lehman: Well, I don't have time. The time that used to take me to do that is filled with other things. Now.

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Eva: Yeah.

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Kathy Lehman: You know I don't know.

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Paula Puglisi: I will do it.

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marywarfield: Is there a way to find out how many people will actually opt in before we? I mean, if it's a handful.

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Eva: I mean, we could say we could change this form. So I just had, like a optional, or, you know, draft form of what we could send. We could say, we're considering mailing the Bulletin, you know. Would you like to receive and then get an idea of how many.

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Kathy Lehman: Great Idea.

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Eva: Would opt in.

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marywarfield: And then and then given the numbers, we can try to figure out how to how to amend it, so that you know more people can have access to it without just changing it right away, because it may be a simple thing.

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Eva: Yeah.

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marywarfield: But I would start with looking at how big the problem is.

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Eva: Yeah, I mean, I do think, I think, Kathy, that your idea of changing the form will certainly help. I still think there are people who are not getting the Bulletin because they're not their email, you know, Inbox has like, I mean, you should see my husband's email. It's like 4,000 unread emails.

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Kathy Lehman: Let's say, let me say one more thing about when I when we used to do it this way.

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Kathy Lehman: I can't tell you how many times I went into the post office to get the mail, and unopened

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Kathy Lehman: bulletins were in the trash.

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Eva: Yeah, which I'm sure is.

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Kathy Lehman: You can't lead a horse to walk, you can lead a horse to water. But you know what they say. Yeah, anyway, that

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Eva: No. And like I said, I mean, this was something that you know. I I'm totally

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Eva: open to discussion about this. It's not like if people don't think it's a good idea, it's not gonna hurt my feelings. I did kind of feel like it was almost sort of an equity issue of, you know, people who don't have computers, people who don't have printers, people who don't, older folks who aren't good with their email, you know

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Eva: that that. And and I remember when I 1st moved to the grove and got my bulletins in the post office box, and we would like have it up on the refrigerator and refer to it. And you know. So maybe I'm I'm guilty of being a little nostalgic for the way we used to do it.

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Kathy Lehman: Still print it. You can still do that.

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Paula Puglisi: You.

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marywarfield: Oh, yeah. No.

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Eva: I'm not gonna print it out. Ink is too expensive.

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Kathy Lehman: Oh, see! There you go!

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Eva: Yeah.

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marywarfield: Way in the interim.

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Kathy Lehman: Paula say she wanted to do it.

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Paula Puglisi: I volunteer.

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Paula Puglisi: I volunteer once you get the list to do it every month to get just to send you print. I will go up to the office, print them out, and send them out.

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Eva: Yeah. And I would help with that cause. I do. I you know I think it would.

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Eva: It would be nice.

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Kathy Lehman: For people who just want just a small number of people that are gonna want. It. Is that what you're saying, or for the we're gonna change the whole thing. What do you mean?

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Eva: I I think she means just.

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Paula Puglisi: Who opt in like.

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Kathy Lehman: Logged in. Yeah.

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Paula Puglisi: Do that.

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Eva: Oh, yeah, you know, I mean.

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marywarfield: Make it.

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Eva: Makes sense to only put it in the mailboxes of people who opt in and say, they want it. Yeah, I mean, we would have to send the the initial form would have to go to everybody's po box. But then we'd see what we get back. The people who opt in, and those would be the ones who would from there on get the bulletin.

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Peter Nagrod: And promotion? Does it.

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Eva: I no, I don't think so. It's just that Paula's offered to help.

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Eva: Yeah, I mean, certainly. Like, if Kathy wants to change the the formatting. That's that's fine.

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John Compton: Let me comment on that. I think the you know people complaining. It's difficult to read

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John Compton: on their small device. That's changing the format to. As long as it's a Pdf.

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John Compton: It won't be easier to read

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John Compton: what they what what you know, most organizations

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John Compton: who have websites have a mobile device format. And that means that it's a little larger. It's the full width of the mobile device. You can navigate. Things can be navigated easier. It's not a full width page, which, if it's

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John Compton: can't appear on a small device because you're the printing gets too low, small. So you can, you you, even if it's 1 page worth you, you need to format it so that it stays on on the small.

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Kathy Lehman: Oh, and you know how good I am at that.

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John Compton: Well, no, no, you can't do it. It can only be done by a specific a specific software that prepares it so that it got for a mobile device. That's that's a part of the challenge of distributing

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John Compton: mobile information. So I don't think that will solve the central issue of being difficult to read on a small device.

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John Compton: but you know we can easily reformat it to to the single column. Of course it makes it easier to read in general, even on a computer. It'll be easier, probably easier that way.

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John Compton: Christine Dibble suggested that several years ago.

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John Compton: But I I think the problem that

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John Compton: the complaint wouldn't be solved by doing that.

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Peter Nagrod: So so the so the motion stands right. Can we vote on it?

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John Compton: Yeah, we once again, we can vote on it. It's a, you know, it's a matter. It's really an administrative.

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John Compton: choice to do that? All. Yeah. Let's let's all vote on the motion. If nobody else has any comments.

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marywarfield: Can can you remind me what what it is? Again.

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John Compton: It's, yeah.

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marywarfield: Just that we're going to.

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John Compton: I'll I'll put it back up here.

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John Compton: Sorry! It's the top of this

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John Compton: here all time. Residents will be given the option of receiving the monthly bulletin in their po box as well as through the mail. Those who opt in will get the bulletin in their box each month.

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Peter Nagrod: Bombing.

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marywarfield: So so we're not gonna 1st see what the

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marywarfield: how many people are interested in this.

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marywarfield: We're just gonna do it. And then.

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John Compton: We can rephrase it to say the town is considering doing

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John Compton: doing this, and I I think a little bit more information should be given that concerning concerning the the any, any pros and cons to it? Because, frankly, I don't want

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John Compton: a hundred people signing up.

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John Compton: Because, hey, why not? And.

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Kathy Lehman: I will retire.

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John Compton: Yeah, yeah.

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John Compton: that's not what we want. We want people who really believe they're going to be to. It's it's for them. The paper copy would be great.

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marywarfield: Can can we add the option seen that

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marywarfield: there will be additional copies available in the town office?

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John Compton: Yeah, and see if that will help you have those options.

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John Compton: Alright! Do.

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Eva: Do we want to amend this, then to say something like

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Eva: the town will send out an interest form to see who would opt in, or I I don't know how we wanna amend that

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John Compton: Okay. You wanna you wanna put explore.

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marywarfield: Yeah. Explore, yeah.

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Eva: Okay, yeah, we can do. We can do explore that. That big verb.

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marywarfield: There you go!

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Peter Nagrod: Would you.

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Kathy Lehman: Send that to me. Please.

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John Compton: The language.

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Kathy Lehman: I can't see it. It's too small.

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John Compton: Just a minute I'll.

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Kathy Lehman: Yeah, yeah. I'm sure that's fine.

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John Compton: Read it to read it. The town will explore giving residents the option

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John Compton: of receiving that. That's what we're gonna do. And.

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Eva: And then.

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John Compton: You can just say.

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Eva: Take out that second sentence. Just take that second sentence out.

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John Compton: Yeah, it's kind of.

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Eva: And and just change the all to the.

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John Compton: Yeah.

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marywarfield: How about in receiving in the po box, or picking up available copies in the town office?

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marywarfield: If you're adding that on.

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John Compton: That's currently true. There's no difference.

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marywarfield: Is it? Okay?

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John Compton: Okay.

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John Compton: I mean, they may not be sitting in a pile, but you know.

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Kathy Lehman: No, they'll have to wait.

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John Compton: Want it to be presented out.

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Kathy Lehman: Quickly. Yeah.

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Eva: Okay, okay, so yeah, so then this way, we can.

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Kathy Lehman: Yeah.

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Eva: Kids date who would opt in and then see if we want to proceed from there.

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John Compton: Find out how the effort that will be required.

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Eva: Yeah, okay.

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Peter Nagrod: Good.

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Eva: Well, yeah. Okay.

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John Compton: Okay. So all in favor of this amended motion, which now reads the town will explore giving residents the option of receiving the monthly bulletin in their po box as well as through email.

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John Compton: All right, all in favor.

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John Compton: Any opposed.

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Kathy Lehman: Hi.

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John Compton: So you're opposed or in favor.

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Eva: I don't get a vote. You know that

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Eva: I don't know how much it pained me to make this motion. After knowing that Kathy did not like it. I really.

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John Compton: No problem.

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Eva: Kathy's good side, and so.

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John Compton: Sorry, Rob, you should.

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Eva: Hopefully. She's still okay with me.

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John Compton: That's my question.

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John Compton: The 2.

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marywarfield: There are 2 opposed.

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John Compton: Yeah.

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Robert Gilmore: Rob and Chris.

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marywarfield: Okay.

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John Compton: You, you.

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Robert Gilmore: Saying.

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Eva: Can I.

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Robert Gilmore: Council.

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Eva: I'm just curious. Rob, or Chris, if I I cause like, I said, I'm open to like hearing arguments for and against this.

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Eva: What's that? Asking for a point of information?

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Eva: I'm asking for a point of information.

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John Compton: Yes, from from Counselors Gilmore and Grisham, because they didn't speak against.

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John Compton: so we don't know either. But.

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Eva: Yeah, that's right.

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Eva: And you don't have to say anything. But I'm just curious.

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marywarfield: No, I'd be interesting interested in knowing, because maybe that will.

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Robert Gilmore: Yeah.

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marywarfield: Something I haven't thought of.

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Robert Gilmore: It's

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Robert Gilmore: not a good use of anyone's time or money or paper. I I was. I thought we'd move past this, and

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Robert Gilmore: surprised. And but I mean, look, it's not a big deal. It sounds like people

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Robert Gilmore: like Paul are volunteering to help

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Robert Gilmore: Kathy, doesn't you know he's got better things to do so I

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Robert Gilmore: and I think the the worry about the current structure is that it is. Gonna

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Robert Gilmore: I mean, if we have lots of people say, sure, what the hell I'd like a pamphlet. Well, that's terrible. The more interest the less we should be inclined, and would would want to actually offer this, because then we have a whole bunch that we got a military one. So just a bad idea from my perspective.

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Robert Gilmore: a solution in search of a problem.

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Peter Nagrod: It? It? Oh.

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John Compton: Go ahead!

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Robert Gilmore: A relatively minor solution, and for a relatively minor problem, which is why I didn't speak on it.

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Robert Gilmore: And and so, anyway, okay, thank you that answers your question.

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Kriss Grisham: So I guess you know my perspective is is

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Kriss Grisham: you know. I guess the the concern of kind of like what Rob is saying, too, I guess

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Kriss Grisham: efficiency and effectiveness right? And and I know

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Kriss Grisham: when we were receiving this in paper form, we were getting

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Kriss Grisham: limited amount of information, you know, because we weren't mailing out that many sheets.

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Kriss Grisham: And now we're getting I don't know. Up to 1011 pages of information, and you know

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Kriss Grisham: I hadn't submitted a lot before. But now that I'm on council, I'm submitting things, and and I think

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Kriss Grisham: it makes it easier to submit what you want to submit and volume.

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Kriss Grisham: That could be presented, you know, cut and taste

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Kriss Grisham: into the document. So like, if we're if we're sending out multi pages, that's the other thing. You know. What? What is the the timeline that we have to get all of these documents in in order for the materials to be mailed out in time for town residents to get in a timely fashion.

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Kriss Grisham: You know, now that it's electronic.

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Kriss Grisham: you know, I know Kathy has to work pretty hard, putting it all together, but at least we could submit it.

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Kriss Grisham: you know.

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Kriss Grisham: close to the end of the month, and then a lot of times, if it's small Kathy is able to put it in there. I know it's probably a pain, but it goes out electronically, whereas, you know, if if we're trying to mail this out. You know. What is, what is the expectation for for

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01:28:24.240 --> 01:28:28.000
Kriss Grisham: input, what's the timeline? You know? What's the cutoff?

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Kriss Grisham: So you know those are my concerns, it seems to be. And then, you know, as Mary had mentioned.

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01:28:35.100 --> 01:28:36.530
Kriss Grisham: for people that want

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Kriss Grisham: printouts you know, they could easily swing by the Town Hall to pick it up or

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01:28:42.926 --> 01:28:43.980
Kriss Grisham: you know

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Kriss Grisham: neighbors in this town are very, very helpful. If they have a neighbor that they know that's that's not connected. You know it. I'm sure that you know they'd be more than happy to print something out.

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Kriss Grisham: And so that's why you know I I'm not for this amendment or our motion. I'm sorry.

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Peter Nagrod: So my hands actually raised. John, I'm getting. I'm learning. I'm getting ready for Robert.

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Peter Nagrod: So so this motion, though, is to explore. We're not committing ourselves to doing this. And that's why

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Peter Nagrod: we're going to see what the numbers are. And if it's 200 people that want it, maybe we'll revisit this and say that it's not an option.

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Peter Nagrod: so I'm not sure what you know we're not committing, so I don't know what the concern is right. Now I agree with taking a step backwards to me. But we're an old town

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Peter Nagrod: and a lot of people, you know. There's just, you know. Some people want it that way, and if they will, it's worth it. If more, if some more people will actually read what's going on, I think that's what I think what that's what our goal is here.

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Eva: Yeah. And and this is all helpful information for me. And I. I'm glad that we changed it to explore, because, you know, maybe if we do send out this.

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Eva: you know something to get information about who would be interested. We can include in it. Did you know you can pick up the town bulletin from the town office. You can, you know. It comes as a grove alert at the beginning of the month, I mean, you know, maybe we can use this just as an opportunity to kind of

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Eva: inform people.

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Eva: so so this is all. Yeah, this is all good information for me to hear as well, and I will think about that if I you know as I'm creating this form, that that might go out

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Eva: so. But I guess we've already voted on it. So yeah, we can.

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Peter Nagrod: Okay.

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John Compton: All right that covers that. So

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John Compton: on to next item, which is hybrid town council.

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John Compton: Okay? Well, this is a a pitch, more than a pitch, almost a a plea, where we we we

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01:31:02.000 --> 01:31:03.639
John Compton: by consensus.

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01:31:03.830 --> 01:31:12.589
John Compton: agreed that the next town annual town meeting should be a hybrid meeting. It should be held in person in the in the hall and be a hybrid meeting

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John Compton: and the technical. The technical setup for that is currently in place for the annual town meeting.

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John Compton: Montgomery cable municipal cable has agreed that they will. They will operate the the the video part and and handle that. So nobody's gonna be distracted. Doing that but we all have to get used to utilizing the hybrid

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John Compton: approach, where by hybrid I mean the people who are virtual present virtually get a chance to talk and need to be able to hear, and all of that. So to do that, we we I think it's at. We absolutely must have at least one, if not 2 hybrid meetings to refine and ensure that this works. So

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John Compton: I would like the Council to bite the bullet and do that, perhaps not not in February, maybe, but perhaps starting with the the Council budget work session.

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John Compton: which is usually a separate meeting, not a council meeting, regular council meeting, and then the

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John Compton: The April Council meeting to be a hybrid meeting.

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John Compton: Which means that all of us will have to show up in this building behind me

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John Compton: for the meeting.

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John Compton: So I need, I need your input on my proposal to do that.

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Peter Nagrod: You mean like yes or no? Yes.

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John Compton: Well, I I yeah, I want, I want some consensus agreement that we will.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah.

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Barbara: I have a question. So how is it going to be hybrid? If we're all in one place.

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John Compton: What's hybrid is that the residents may appear, may view the meeting, and potentially contribute to the meeting, but not be present in the in in the council room.

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Barbara: So all the counselors would be in the meeting, but the residents would not be. They would be. The counselors would be physically in the Town Hall, but the Resident.

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John Compton: If they were, you know, if that for some reason they couldn't make it. I suppose we could try and have a room. I actually, I I think the Council should agree that if we're going to do

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John Compton: the hybrid meeting, that the Council needs to be present in person.

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John Compton: and therefore anyone not there in person

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John Compton: is not voting. They're not. They're not functioning as a council member. They can listen, or whatever.

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Barbara: Oh, I don't think that's appropriate. If somebody is not there, they can't vote when we're normally on zoom.

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John Compton: That's that's pretty typical of a lot of I mean, you can't have it both ways. You can't

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John Compton: have a physical meeting at the same time as a virtual.

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Robert Gilmore: Sure you yes, you can.

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marywarfield: So.

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Robert Gilmore: Sure you can.

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Robert Gilmore: It happens all the time.

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John Compton: Well, it.

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Robert Gilmore: Probably every day at work. I have meetings with multiple people in a conference room.

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John Compton: Yes, that's not the same. That's a committee committees, and if you you can't hear, or they can't hear you, or whatever it's not, it's not some sort of

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marywarfield: So it sounds like council meetings are going back to in person, and hybrid.

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John Compton: All right.

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marywarfield: That means.

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John Compton: No, I didn't say that.

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John Compton: Well, that's what it sounded like.

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01:35:02.120 --> 01:35:02.750
marywarfield: Like.

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Robert Gilmore: Is what you said.

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marywarfield: If, if all the Council members need to be present.

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marywarfield: Then they're they're an in person meeting, and if they have to be there, then that means we're going to in person. But residents can. It's hybrid, because residents can be there or not.

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John Compton: That's correct.

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Peter Nagrod: Like.

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John Compton: 2 2 trial run meetings.

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Barbara: So how would that work

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Barbara: in the town meeting because residents would want to vote? And if they're not in the Town Hall, you're saying they wouldn't be able to vote.

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01:35:37.800 --> 01:35:39.640
John Compton: Now we have to decide. If we can vote.

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01:35:39.640 --> 01:35:40.240
Peter Nagrod: Yeah.

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01:35:41.990 --> 01:35:45.299
Barbara: Well, how can you say that they can't vote if they're.

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01:35:45.780 --> 01:35:47.459
John Compton: I didn't say they couldn't vote.

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01:35:47.460 --> 01:35:48.030
Barbara: It just.

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01:35:48.030 --> 01:35:49.299
John Compton: Like whether they come out.

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John Compton: It's because it's an in-person meeting, Barbara. If you want to vote, be there in person. If you want to participate. You don't have to be there in person, but you can't vote, or you can vote and be be virtual either way. You can work it either way.

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Peter Nagrod: We're talking about council meeting right? Not a town meeting right now.

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01:36:15.800 --> 01:36:17.529
Peter Nagrod: are you? Are you talking about the town meeting?

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01:36:17.530 --> 01:36:20.770
John Compton: The council meetings are just proof that it will work.

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01:36:20.770 --> 01:36:21.950
Peter Nagrod: For the town meeting.

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01:36:22.420 --> 01:36:22.890
Peter Nagrod: Yeah. Okay.

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01:36:22.890 --> 01:36:23.670
Peter Nagrod: Okay. Okay.

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01:36:23.670 --> 01:36:29.490
John Compton: Yeah, it's not not a permanent situation. I'm not sure I'm proposing these as trial run.

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01:36:29.490 --> 01:36:30.580
Peter Nagrod: Yeah, right, yeah.

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01:36:30.580 --> 01:36:33.819
John Compton: Not for the Council for the annual town meeting.

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01:36:33.920 --> 01:36:34.820
John Compton: Sorry.

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01:36:35.600 --> 01:36:40.829
Kriss Grisham: So I have a question, though I'm kind of confused about voting

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Kriss Grisham: and I know we probably don't have anything in writing. But would it be possible to have maybe just

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01:36:48.700 --> 01:36:50.160
Kriss Grisham: a couple wines?

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01:36:51.050 --> 01:36:53.419
Kriss Grisham: What the expectations are?

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01:36:54.800 --> 01:36:57.740
Kriss Grisham: Who can and can't vote? When can we vote.

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01:36:57.740 --> 01:37:00.569
John Compton: Voting. I mean, I find that

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John Compton: I just find it being be a just invitation to absenteeism. Basically.

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01:37:10.510 --> 01:37:11.880
Kriss Grisham: Okay, no, I.

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01:37:11.880 --> 01:37:23.149
John Compton: I mean. But but you know, of course, if you guys want to, you know, allow Council member to be virtual as well as anybody else, and and still vote

819
01:37:23.560 --> 01:37:26.459
John Compton: we can give that a shot. I'm you know.

820
01:37:27.080 --> 01:37:32.359
John Compton: right now. It works great it may well work also in the council meeting.

821
01:37:33.705 --> 01:37:38.739
John Compton: Might take a little longer, to be sure, it's where everybody's accounted for. But yeah.

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01:37:40.370 --> 01:37:47.549
Kriss Grisham: I I guess what I'm saying is, it's not. It's not that I don't think it's gonna work. I'm just kind of confused. And and

823
01:37:48.420 --> 01:37:53.599
Kriss Grisham: you know I don't want to miss the opportunity of of being able to vote, or

824
01:37:53.980 --> 01:38:00.149
Kriss Grisham: or doing virtual, or whatever. So you know, maybe some kind of

825
01:38:00.580 --> 01:38:04.849
Kriss Grisham: clarification. So we know what the rules are or game plan is.

826
01:38:05.270 --> 01:38:06.040
Kriss Grisham: Does that make sense.

827
01:38:07.580 --> 01:38:11.550
John Compton: Well, yeah, of course, we need to have operating rules. And

828
01:38:12.180 --> 01:38:17.210
John Compton: the only question is how how it actually works in practice.

829
01:38:17.210 --> 01:38:17.594
Peter Nagrod: Right.

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Kriss Grisham: Yeah, yeah.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah, I I, when we're talking about hybrid, I always envisioned it as the council members would go to Mcatherine Hall and meet, and that's not optional, and then but the but the town would have the choice of a hybrid meeting, and they could either attend the meeting, or they can do what we're doing right now. But we would as a group meet.

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Peter Nagrod: I don't think it makes no sense if we're just gonna make it where it's optional whether you show up or not. That doesn't make sense to me.

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01:38:48.600 --> 01:38:53.380
Peter Nagrod: I mean, what's the purpose of? There's a reason why you meet in person versus you.

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01:38:53.380 --> 01:39:04.039
Peter Nagrod: and then I think and you know that. And I think that by saying, Oh, you have an option of the 2, unless you know there's situations in the past where people had called in on the phone and were part of the council meeting.

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Peter Nagrod: And it was really not very effective. But now we have the technology of you can see the people you know. It works better. But I would be against, though doing a hybrid for us.

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John Compton: I will point out that the Planning Board, the County Council operate your present.

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01:39:21.510 --> 01:39:27.660
John Compton: You have to be present to part to participate in your elected position.

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01:39:28.950 --> 01:39:39.609
John Compton: We do not have to do it that way, and I don't know how other. I don't know our other entities or other municipalities do it, and I could find out here in easily

839
01:39:39.900 --> 01:39:45.760
John Compton: whether they allow a a virtual, you know.

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01:39:46.570 --> 01:39:48.369
John Compton: Council participation.

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01:39:50.250 --> 01:39:52.980
John Compton: But I'm not really suggesting this for

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01:39:53.480 --> 01:40:00.789
John Compton: council meetings going forward. This is just this, just to show that we've got all the kinks work that everybody can hear.

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01:40:00.790 --> 01:40:01.200
Peter Nagrod: Yeah.

844
01:40:01.200 --> 01:40:13.170
John Compton: People virtual can hear the people sitting in the in the room, whether it's the town council chamber or the main hall can hear, and and we can

845
01:40:13.320 --> 01:40:20.780
John Compton: call on everybody in an organized way. It requires a you know. We've just adopted Roberts rules that should make it easier

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01:40:20.890 --> 01:40:32.220
John Compton: to, you know to keep order and go through go through this. So right.

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01:40:32.220 --> 01:40:34.986
Eva: So this is just for

848
01:40:35.640 --> 01:40:39.209
Eva: testing it out to make sure it works for the annual meeting.

849
01:40:41.059 --> 01:40:42.910
John Compton: To.

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01:40:42.910 --> 01:40:44.710
Eva: Okay. And that makes sense to me. I'm.

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01:40:44.710 --> 01:40:46.000
Barbara: Yeah. Yeah. Totally.

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01:40:46.000 --> 01:40:47.140
Eva: So ready to do it.

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01:40:47.700 --> 01:41:03.449
Barbara: So this is Barbara. I'm still a little puzzled about the whole voting thing. That seems very vague to me, because we often have times when you know somebody's out of town, I mean, I might be out of town for one of these meetings, and I would not want to be precluded from voting for that.

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01:41:04.320 --> 01:41:05.250
Robert Gilmore: Yeah, I agree.

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01:41:05.250 --> 01:41:05.819
Eva: Yeah, I agree.

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01:41:05.820 --> 01:41:07.270
Robert Gilmore: There's been several. Yeah.

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Robert Gilmore: I I think we should. The the strong preference should be that people attend in person. But it, it's too important, and there are too few of us to exclude someone who wants to participate and is able to virtually by zoom from from voting.

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01:41:25.260 --> 01:41:26.390
Robert Gilmore: So yeah.

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01:41:26.590 --> 01:41:27.720
Eva: Yeah, I mean, I think there are.

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Robert Gilmore: On road trips, and we want her to vote when she's on the road trip, and we don't want a town council meeting. We we don't want the the inability to vote to dissuade her from doing that.

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01:41:39.230 --> 01:41:46.729
Eva: Yeah, if somebody's sick and doesn't want to spread their germs like, there are reasons why you wouldn't show up in person, but could still participate virtually.

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Peter Nagrod: It seems like we're putting the horse people before the court. But John is, John is basically saying, let's 1st see if we can actually do this, and then we can figure out the next steps. Let's just when we do step 1 1.st

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01:42:00.010 --> 01:42:05.159
John Compton: Willing to try and give it a shot. You can have a remote council participation.

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01:42:05.370 --> 01:42:20.350
John Compton: It should work fine. I will just. You all know this. But if technology fails, the remote individual, I mean, I mean, if technology fails right here, we can't have a a council meeting. It's all virtual.

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John Compton: But there's other possibilities. When you're you have a hybrid meeting you just throw up your hands. I can't hear what anybody's saying.

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John Compton: You know. My, my, you know, it's completely different. I'm standing. I'm sitting here right next to my computer, and the audio is picking everything up great. But in the council chamber you're not sitting next to your computer. You're in a room, anyway. If we just agree that we will we we for these 2 trial meetings.

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John Compton: Participation. Remote participation by council member with voting will be will be allowed.

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01:43:00.210 --> 01:43:04.299
John Compton: Okay, I think that's what I hear. Everybody would like to do that. And you know

869
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John Compton: the caveat is hopefully you will be able to hear everything and

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John Compton: Will will feel like you're you're You won't be frustrated by the

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01:43:17.460 --> 01:43:21.800
John Compton: technology, and maybe I'm just worrying with that need. But we'll see.

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01:43:23.060 --> 01:43:25.650
Kathy Lehman: Will you do it in the council room or upstairs?

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01:43:25.650 --> 01:43:29.459
John Compton: Council room. We have a if you haven't seen it. We have a a fair.

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01:43:31.140 --> 01:43:32.170
Peter Nagrod: I hope you.

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John Compton: The large monitor.

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Kathy Lehman: I see it every day.

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01:43:35.070 --> 01:43:36.710
John Compton: I usually, but it depends.

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Kathy Lehman: Cheers.

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01:43:37.090 --> 01:43:37.960
John Compton: No, it hasn't.

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01:43:38.590 --> 01:43:46.160
John Compton: Where we'll put everybody up just like now. Everybody remote will be up like here

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01:43:47.580 --> 01:43:51.639
John Compton: the the chat. We have a a camera.

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01:43:52.140 --> 01:43:53.349
John Compton: We had a camera.

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01:43:54.610 --> 01:44:01.320
John Compton: Yeah, we have a camera so that we can, we can see the council members.

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John Compton: The council members can be focused in on when all is working well, the camera zeroes in enlarges.

885
01:44:11.240 --> 01:44:13.720
John Compton: So the default is, you see the whole table.

886
01:44:14.070 --> 01:44:16.589
John Compton: everybody kind of facing at least visible.

887
01:44:16.860 --> 01:44:24.759
John Compton: And then, when somebody is speaking, the camera will enlarge that individual. Just sort of enlarge that area of the table.

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01:44:25.220 --> 01:44:40.480
John Compton: Okay, so that and everybody will see that. And hopefully the audio will be okay. And if the audio is not, we can improve the audio. That's what the whole point of this is is. Let's let's see how it all works, and you know we may need to tweak it.

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01:44:42.240 --> 01:44:45.290
John Compton: Between, you know the 1st try and the

890
01:44:45.540 --> 01:44:47.760
John Compton: and and getting it to work. Well.

891
01:44:48.330 --> 01:44:52.460
John Compton: so I just want you to be aware of that. That's the the challenge.

892
01:44:53.300 --> 01:44:57.010
John Compton: at least in the in the few trials we did. That's the challenge.

893
01:45:00.400 --> 01:45:16.399
John Compton: Okay, I think we have a consensus opinion to go ahead with this. We'll plan on doing it for the town, the work session, the budget work session, and we'll do it for the April. The April Council meeting will follow that.

894
01:45:18.870 --> 01:45:19.720
John Compton: Okay.

895
01:45:23.360 --> 01:45:28.430
John Compton: here we go. Council recognition of volunteer committees.

896
01:45:28.700 --> 01:45:48.120
John Compton: All right. This is this is come coming up has come up because the the ad Hoc Meadow Committee has, as you have heard, their intention was to meet the Council's guidelines and become a recognized

897
01:45:48.774 --> 01:46:06.489
John Compton: town volunteer committee, and they've they would like to do so, and they reached out. Chris reached out, he's a liaison. How does this work? Well, how how does it work? I'm proposing that it works as follows.

898
01:46:06.830 --> 01:46:31.309
John Compton: they have adopted a bylaws or guidelines which they will follow. Those guidelines meet their the guidance of the resolution that was passed for the way committees. These volunteer committees should operate, and as a consequence they can be treated like any of the other

899
01:46:31.590 --> 01:46:44.200
John Compton: committees along the long standing committees or the shorter standing committees that we have. And essentially, you know, what does that change? It means they're going to submit a budget

900
01:46:44.890 --> 01:46:56.889
John Compton: request. And we are going to. And you guys may not like this. But the best way I can describe how we deal with the our committees is, is we actually treat them like contractors.

901
01:46:57.490 --> 01:47:07.290
John Compton: All right. They don't. They don't get to spend money, except if we authorize that they have money to spend, they do not get to approve spending it.

902
01:47:07.750 --> 01:47:10.739
John Compton: We we are, we. We approve spending it.

903
01:47:11.090 --> 01:47:28.369
John Compton: So they're basically a department, a volunteer department under our guidance, our oversight. And so the a new committee will will become that. So, combining this with the next item, the Meadow Committee.

904
01:47:28.906 --> 01:47:32.940
John Compton: I was gonna have Chris make this proposal, but I guess I'm

905
01:47:33.340 --> 01:47:42.359
John Compton: I I've pretty much done it. They would like to operate as a recognized

906
01:47:43.240 --> 01:47:50.949
John Compton: open for comments. This is an administrative procedure. I propose that we follow, at least for this committee.

907
01:47:51.730 --> 01:47:53.480
Peter Nagrod: I think that the more people

908
01:47:53.650 --> 01:48:02.220
Peter Nagrod: that are on committees the more engaged they are in working with the town. So I think it's a great idea, I totally support it.

909
01:48:04.180 --> 01:48:06.780
John Compton: Okay, any any other comments on this?

910
01:48:08.290 --> 01:48:18.261
John Compton: Good. All right. So they are. Have made this this at have the goalposts.

911
01:48:20.530 --> 01:48:29.509
John Compton: Right, all right. So the last item on the administrative docket is installation of new speed hubs.

912
01:48:29.780 --> 01:48:34.830
John Compton: So this also has come up several times most recently.

913
01:48:35.490 --> 01:49:00.779
John Compton: Chris gave me a call about this in his, in his role as the entire, as the entire safety, Emergency Preparedness and Safety committee as to how, how would would a new speed hump be come to the attention of the Council and get approved.

914
01:49:01.450 --> 01:49:12.919
John Compton: and the policy that the council adopted once again. This should be written up. It may may have been written up, but I couldn't lay my hands on it.

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01:49:14.265 --> 01:49:22.880
John Compton: Was that as follows, residents seeking a new speed hump

916
01:49:23.670 --> 01:49:29.400
John Compton: need to submit a request for that speed hump with a group signature

917
01:49:29.650 --> 01:49:37.389
John Compton: a. Whether, if they they want to. I'll use an example. But Chestnut Avenue has had an issue repeatedly.

918
01:49:37.680 --> 01:49:41.630
John Compton: A speed hub on the 1st block from Macaulay

919
01:49:42.070 --> 01:49:47.380
John Compton: could be put in if the residents right there on that block, request it, or

920
01:49:47.620 --> 01:49:49.619
John Compton: and enough of them do.

921
01:49:49.850 --> 01:50:06.269
John Compton: and would then come to the council. The council would then would then evaluate their request. In whatever other factors. What we have been doing, as you know, is, we've been installing temporary speed bumps these. These can be removed

922
01:50:08.070 --> 01:50:19.620
John Compton: and that allows us to give them a try to see if any of the negative, the potential negatives of having that speed up in that location

923
01:50:19.880 --> 01:50:28.709
John Compton: arise. So so that that's the part that that's what I'm just reviewing the policy for any any new speed bumps. Speed humps.

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01:50:29.560 --> 01:50:36.630
John Compton: A group of residents need to institute this by a formal request.

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01:50:37.600 --> 01:50:43.740
John Compton: all right, open for discussion. If this administrative policy makes sense right.

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Kriss Grisham: I'm trying trying to figure out how to get my

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Kriss Grisham: machine to work with my hands raised and lowered, and I can't seem to figure that out now, but and it seems to change every time I log in. But long story short, is with regards to the speed bump. We all know that there's been

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01:51:03.400 --> 01:51:14.500
Kriss Grisham: recent, I guess. Issues submitted to the Town Council, Mayor, and town Council regarding Chestnut and and throughout the town.

929
01:51:15.185 --> 01:51:18.374
Kriss Grisham: I reached out to the Montgomery County

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01:51:19.950 --> 01:51:25.009
Kriss Grisham: community officer to ask if she knew of.

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Kriss Grisham: You know methods or might recommend something that we might be able to incorporate here, and you know.

932
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Kriss Grisham: she suggested, speed bumps.

933
01:51:37.800 --> 01:51:42.590
Kriss Grisham: knowing that you know they're going to be expensive. So she thought that maybe we wouldn't be able to go that route

934
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Kriss Grisham: and then. So that's why I reached out, you know, to the mayor and asked him what it would take

935
01:51:49.110 --> 01:51:55.079
Kriss Grisham: for us to to go ahead and try to figure out new locations, additional locations throughout town

936
01:51:55.360 --> 01:51:59.480
Kriss Grisham: to try out. You know, the speed bumps speed humps

937
01:51:59.740 --> 01:52:05.540
Kriss Grisham: in in order to try to slow some folks down, and so that's probably why

938
01:52:05.710 --> 01:52:07.590
Kriss Grisham: this ended up on the agenda.

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Barbara: So I have a question, John. So the group of residents like, how many, you know, do we want to quantify that? Or it's we just want to be vague, I mean, I don't.

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01:52:24.450 --> 01:52:26.239
John Compton: I don't think we can, because.

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Barbara: Yeah.

942
01:52:26.750 --> 01:52:29.769
John Compton: You know it's it's it's

943
01:52:30.800 --> 01:52:33.050
John Compton: well. Different parts of town have different numbers of.

944
01:52:33.050 --> 01:52:34.280
Barbara: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

945
01:52:34.500 --> 01:52:38.721
John Compton: In in the various areas. It it it's more

946
01:52:41.630 --> 01:52:46.870
John Compton: The the idea is that those people who will have the speed hump closest to them

947
01:52:47.630 --> 01:52:58.249
John Compton: ought to be in in some sort of some number of them ought to believe this would be, would help with the problem on their on their street.

948
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John Compton: It could be people who use that street all the time, of course, and but but usually the complaints just going by, the complaints. The complaints are by the people living along the street

949
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John Compton: where they feel that the speeds are too too fast. It's endangering, if not them. Other people who are walking, and they just they need need to try and do something about it. And as Chris just said.

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John Compton: it turns out that you know the most effective

951
01:53:30.739 --> 01:53:36.321
John Compton: not a hundred percent. But still a A goes goes some way to

952
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John Compton: Impeding people can go actually.

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01:53:39.940 --> 01:53:40.440
Kathy Lehman: Yeah.

954
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John Compton: So yeah, Barbara, so I don't know what to say about quantifying it. I think that's a judgment call, you know, the Council would have to decide whether they're in favor of putting it in.

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John Compton: You know.

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01:53:54.740 --> 01:53:58.650
Peter Nagrod: Well, we have speed bumps, you're saying, putting in more strategically placed.

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01:53:58.910 --> 01:54:01.030
John Compton: Yeah, yeah, this is for future.

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Peter Nagrod: Right, right.

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Kriss Grisham: So, you know, and I guess to continue on with that. You know, it sounds like John. You were. You were talking about

960
01:54:11.090 --> 01:54:19.580
Kriss Grisham: having a an official submittal, and then we discuss it and vote on it here at council. Correct? Okay.

961
01:54:19.710 --> 01:54:30.949
John Compton: Yeah, it's it's like you said, how does somebody go about doing it? Well, they should talk to their neighbors, put together a request, sign it, and set the ball rolling.

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Kriss Grisham: That sounds good. Thank you.

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01:54:37.610 --> 01:54:58.339
John Compton: Okay. So I think that's the way we that's really the way we have been proceeding. I mean, you know, Peter's given us anecdotal accounts of people who, you know, would like to have a speed up this. This is basically saying, Okay, everybody can tell them if you would. You need to get a bunch of people together and make a an actual request

964
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John Compton: for us to consider for the Council to consider

965
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John Compton: all right end of administrative stuff.

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Kathy Lehman: This takes us to some unfinished business, which is the resolution. 2,025. I gave it a number. Kathy, I hope it's

967
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Kathy Lehman: that's exactly right.

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John Compton: Dash. Oh, one! I've summarized it in in 6 words, vacant properties, registry and maintenance standards. And of course I can figure it out.

969
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John Compton: So I'm going to turn this over to Mary and Chris, who had put together the resolution. As you recall, it, has been introduced and put out for comment, and we are here to look at. Look at it. And.

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01:55:48.650 --> 01:55:56.520
John Compton: Mary, should I express my, I guess I have to. Okay, go ahead, start with you

971
01:55:56.520 --> 01:56:03.939
John Compton: all right. So the resolution and the proposal. It was very thoroughly well conceived. I thought.

972
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John Compton: Just my opinion. Council can have their own opinion. However, if you look at our ordinances, you will find in a number of places that the upkeep of properties and the maintenance of public health by managing your property appropriately, is in our ordinances. It's in Article One.

973
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John Compton: under condemnation of of buildings situations that might call for condemnation and process. And it's in Article 2, public health maintenance. So the problem with this being put in as a resolution is that the ordinances really do include, say, a lot about overlapping with what

974
01:56:58.140 --> 01:57:15.252
John Compton: this resolution proposes. That's I'm not. I'm not merely pointing out that it is probably best, and I did not hear from Sue Ellen, our our town attorney. I asked her for her opinion. But what is unique to this proposal.

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John Compton: are some of the definitions and the registry.

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01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:41.300
John Compton: The other thing, the resolution included, was penalties, and our penalties are all contained in our ordinances. We have Article 9, which specifies the penalties for this, that, and the other thing. So the ordinances are all set to handle this. And what I suggested to

977
01:57:41.300 --> 01:57:51.880
John Compton: Chris and Mary, is that the the this resolution be turned into a proposed ordinance

978
01:57:52.240 --> 01:58:11.660
John Compton: revision with appropriate language, putting in certainly all the registry language, and whatever of the other definitions. And what have you so that it's consistent with and you know not, and fits into our existing ordinances.

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John Compton: So

980
01:58:14.640 --> 01:58:31.040
marywarfield: Another thing, I think, goes along with making it an ordinances. I was just reviewing them today. And then Article 9, we basically have an entire article, saying how you know how to enforce these things and how to, but it's enforcing ordinances, not resolution. So I think that would

981
01:58:31.310 --> 01:58:35.060
marywarfield: make it very important to make this an ordinance.

982
01:58:35.340 --> 01:58:37.359
marywarfield: to have some teeth to enforce it.

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01:58:39.200 --> 01:58:49.069
Peter Nagrod: Mary, I would like you to look at, and Chris to look at the 3. There's 3 places there where you use the word commercial properties.

984
01:58:49.130 --> 01:59:11.400
Peter Nagrod: and I would look at that carefully, because we've always treated the commercial corner kind of it has its own ordinances. It's kind of separate, and this makes it a little bit inclusive. And also there's talk about businesses, and it's a little bit misleading when you talk about business home businesses, because it makes it sound almost like you don't have to be a resident

985
01:59:11.750 --> 01:59:20.569
Peter Nagrod: if you have a home, if there's a home business there, even though it says home business, but if it's a business then you know you have to be. You have to be a resident.

986
01:59:20.780 --> 01:59:29.790
Peter Nagrod: you can. You can't have a business without being a resident. And so just like just just if you would just look at this 3 times where? You know it's mentioned, and just like. Look at that.

987
01:59:29.930 --> 01:59:35.120
Peter Nagrod: and just be careful about what you're inferring. We don't want to put any loopholes in there.

988
01:59:37.670 --> 01:59:41.510
Peter Nagrod: But I thought it was great. I really, yeah, we've been trying to move forward with this for years.

989
01:59:41.510 --> 01:59:41.950
John Compton: No.

990
01:59:42.020 --> 01:59:42.939
Peter Nagrod: Doing it.

991
01:59:42.940 --> 01:59:47.879
John Compton: Moving forward. Mary. Now you can talk about revisions to the resolution which

992
01:59:48.160 --> 01:59:55.040
John Compton: which I think we agreed what could be, or should be transferred into an ordinance proposal.

993
01:59:55.220 --> 02:00:07.640
John Compton: But some of the ordinances are the same. There's a set of whereases before you specify how the ordinance is going are going to be changed, whether you're going to add this, you're going to

994
02:00:08.540 --> 02:00:19.659
John Compton: alter that so much of what the resolution contains stays. But I think there were some things that were already suggested for the resolution.

995
02:00:19.660 --> 02:00:28.259
marywarfield: Yeah, I I resubmitted them. So I made sure everybody saw before the meeting Paula's edits, which I thought that every one of them were thoughtful and and really helped

996
02:00:29.199 --> 02:00:52.089
marywarfield: you know, with. So I would propose that in terms of the what this looks like going forward, we should just incorporate incorporate. What Paul suggested. The only the only one that I was hesitant to do was the was the because, you know, there's so many situations, and the one with the vacant but maintained home. And I I

997
02:00:52.120 --> 02:01:10.129
marywarfield: I understand what Paula was saying and kind of agree with her, but I started to think about it. And you know, basically, I keep making myself go back to what is our purpose in this, and it's safety and health. And so, you know, I'd still think, somehow the town needs to be able to make sure that a vacant house

998
02:01:10.130 --> 02:01:29.989
marywarfield: is is being properly maintained for those those reasons. And and if you start getting to oh, well, you know I was there, for you know, I just again thinking of some people we already have, you know. Yeah, I was there for a week. And you know, so it's not vacant anymore. I I just think that that brings up a whole lot of ways to get out of it by making it a little bit looser.

999
02:01:30.900 --> 02:01:33.309
marywarfield: at least in in terms of what we write down.

1000
02:01:33.900 --> 02:01:37.560
marywarfield: So I would still suggest that even though the house is maintained.

1001
02:01:37.951 --> 02:01:52.910
marywarfield: people do it that they register that way. We know, you know, if there's nobody there, we still want to know who we need to contact if something goes on, and we still want to know that that they're maintaining it, you know, to the appropriate fire and safety standards that that we're concerned about.

1002
02:01:54.060 --> 02:02:08.079
Peter Nagrod: So if I if I, if I live in Georgetown and I buy a house because we had, we had, we had this situation on Brown Street, where the residents were living in DC. Or whatever they come out like on the weekends.

1003
02:02:08.600 --> 02:02:10.669
Peter Nagrod: Would that be considered vacant.

1004
02:02:12.200 --> 02:02:12.750
John Compton: No.

1005
02:02:14.160 --> 02:02:17.120
marywarfield: It's cut, I think. So. Come out on weekends.

1006
02:02:17.120 --> 02:02:18.500
Peter Nagrod: Yeah. The definition.

1007
02:02:19.590 --> 02:02:28.760
marywarfield: I mean, they're still living. I mean, it's it's a habitable house. They're still coming, I mean, obviously, if they're coming on weekends, then it's probably habitable, and they're.

1008
02:02:28.760 --> 02:02:29.169
Peter Nagrod: And they live.

1009
02:02:29.170 --> 02:02:38.149
marywarfield: Seeing what, seeing what's going on, you know. Once a week they're living there, I mean, people go away on vacation for a month, and we don't know what's going on. But you just, you know.

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02:02:38.430 --> 02:02:40.420
marywarfield: want to know the baseline is safe.

1011
02:02:40.630 --> 02:02:41.900
Peter Nagrod: Okay. Good.

1012
02:02:42.520 --> 02:02:44.240
marywarfield: I mean, that's that's my thought.

1013
02:02:44.240 --> 02:02:44.790
Peter Nagrod: Yeah.

1014
02:02:45.630 --> 02:02:53.730
Kriss Grisham: I guess you know if I if I may, Peter, you were saying that there were 3 areas that you noted. You know, if you could, instead of us

1015
02:02:54.290 --> 02:02:59.849
Kriss Grisham: hunting and picking and and trying to figure out where these are, we could do a word search. But if you have an idea of

1016
02:03:00.140 --> 02:03:03.820
Kriss Grisham: maybe rewording. That would be great to give us something.

1017
02:03:03.820 --> 02:03:12.300
Peter Nagrod: I would personally just eliminate that. There's no reason to have that in there, because it's not what we're that's not our concern, or that's not a problem we have right now.

1018
02:03:12.570 --> 02:03:15.250
Peter Nagrod: So, but we don't have to talk about that now, anyway, because.

1019
02:03:15.500 --> 02:03:17.009
Kriss Grisham: Sure. Okay. Yeah.

1020
02:03:17.010 --> 02:03:17.730
Peter Nagrod: I'll talk to you.

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02:03:17.730 --> 02:03:34.209
marywarfield: We only we only included it because we wanted to think of any buildings that might fall under it. And since there are commercial, I mean we. If something's vacant for a year up in the commercial area, we'd still have concerns about it unless it falls under some other area that's be monitoring it. That that was why we included it.

1022
02:03:34.750 --> 02:03:35.290
Peter Nagrod: Right.

1023
02:03:35.290 --> 02:03:39.910
marywarfield: And institutional, because what if the you know church gets abandoned?

1024
02:03:40.320 --> 02:03:43.639
marywarfield: They disappear. And so I mean, that's why we put all those things in there.

1025
02:03:50.330 --> 02:03:55.823
John Compton: All right. So there is a there's a motion for to adopt this resolution.

1026
02:03:57.380 --> 02:04:00.699
John Compton: you know I believe it should be

1027
02:04:02.700 --> 02:04:07.139
John Compton: The word is not tabled. The word is, it should be

1028
02:04:07.883 --> 02:04:11.330
John Compton: I looked it up, and now I've forgotten the right word.

1029
02:04:11.330 --> 02:04:13.459
Kathy Lehman: It's like it's like killed or something.

1030
02:04:13.650 --> 02:04:14.710
John Compton: No, you're not kidding.

1031
02:04:15.110 --> 02:04:15.510
marywarfield: Yeah.

1032
02:04:15.510 --> 02:04:18.833
John Compton: Well, we can do that. You can kill it, or you can

1033
02:04:20.770 --> 02:04:23.180
marywarfield: No, don't kill it!

1034
02:04:23.180 --> 02:04:25.020
John Compton: Next step is is.

1035
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marywarfield: The next.

1036
02:04:25.390 --> 02:04:26.300
John Compton: So prior to that.

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02:04:26.300 --> 02:04:27.140
Kathy Lehman: That's it.

1038
02:04:27.140 --> 02:04:32.379
John Compton: Defer it to a specific. Yes, I have that up here

1039
02:04:32.740 --> 02:04:51.780
John Compton: figuring out which one it is. Eva, yeah, defer to a specific event, time or event, and I recommend that a motion be be put forward to defer action on this resolution

1040
02:04:52.050 --> 02:04:59.126
John Compton: until until such time as a proposed ordinance can be

1041
02:05:00.210 --> 02:05:08.430
John Compton: can be proposed that meets the needs of the intent, the intent.

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marywarfield: But can can we? Instead of deferring, I mean, since we're gonna say, we don't want a resolution, we want it to be an ordinance? Can we somehow put in the motion that

1043
02:05:18.240 --> 02:05:18.640
marywarfield: to be.

1044
02:05:18.640 --> 02:05:21.370
John Compton: You know what you put it away. That's correct.

1045
02:05:22.270 --> 02:05:23.609
marywarfield: No, I don't want it to go away.

1046
02:05:23.610 --> 02:05:30.680
John Compton: Going against it, you can enable it, because, deciding that it's not something you want to act on.

1047
02:05:31.020 --> 02:05:32.509
John Compton: So you put it away.

1048
02:05:33.310 --> 02:05:43.190
marywarfield: Okay. So we differ between now and when we defer it to is when we can talk with Sue Ellen and and try to rework it, or figure out how to make it into an ordinance before the next time.

1049
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John Compton: That keeps.

1050
02:05:43.750 --> 02:05:46.040
marywarfield: I mean, I just want to know what I can do in between.

1051
02:05:47.050 --> 02:05:53.812
John Compton: Yes, means it's going to come up again. We you can put a date on it. But

1052
02:05:54.730 --> 02:05:55.996
John Compton: you know

1053
02:05:56.630 --> 02:06:00.499
marywarfield: Can we defer to next month? I really honestly just want to keep

1054
02:06:00.660 --> 02:06:04.879
marywarfield: or keep this going, and if you know, if she if Sue. Ellen can't get to it, or if we can't.

1055
02:06:05.120 --> 02:06:10.030
marywarfield: you know, if we can't manage it, I just would like to keep it moving, if possible.

1056
02:06:10.030 --> 02:06:16.800
Kathy Lehman: So the motion is to defer action on resolution 2025, one until the next until next month.

1057
02:06:17.100 --> 02:06:19.170
John Compton: That's, I believe, what Mary is.

1058
02:06:21.260 --> 02:06:23.260
marywarfield: The best way to do it. Everybody. Chris.

1059
02:06:25.190 --> 02:06:25.800
marywarfield: Okay.

1060
02:06:30.770 --> 02:06:31.770
Kriss Grisham: Well, I.

1061
02:06:33.220 --> 02:06:35.470
Barbara: I'll second it. This is Barbara. I'll second it.

1062
02:06:35.940 --> 02:06:36.950
John Compton: Okay. Okay.

1063
02:06:37.250 --> 02:06:42.710
Kriss Grisham: When we say when we say next month, though, yeah, I guess that's true. You need a second.

1064
02:06:43.580 --> 02:06:48.260
Kriss Grisham: Are we going to be prepared for something.

1065
02:06:48.260 --> 02:06:51.519
Kriss Grisham: Well, we'll try. If we can't, we'll defer it again, I guess.

1066
02:06:51.640 --> 02:06:52.320
Kriss Grisham: Okay.

1067
02:06:53.020 --> 02:06:53.460
John Compton: Yes.

1068
02:06:53.460 --> 02:06:56.309
marywarfield: I mean, it requires the Sue Ellen's input. So it'll

1069
02:06:56.310 --> 02:06:57.799
marywarfield: depend on what she can do.

1070
02:06:59.130 --> 02:06:59.950
Kriss Grisham: Okay.

1071
02:07:02.620 --> 02:07:09.530
Peter Nagrod: To be clear. Mary, yeah, it's going to be. As John said, this is going to be incorporated into exist. The existing audiences. Is that right?

1072
02:07:10.090 --> 02:07:18.139
John Compton: Well, if if Sue Ellen agrees, which I'm 99% sure she will. Yes, then it will be recast as

1073
02:07:18.670 --> 02:07:21.360
John Compton: ordinance proposal.

1074
02:07:21.890 --> 02:07:22.590
Peter Nagrod: Right, and then.

1075
02:07:22.590 --> 02:07:26.439
marywarfield: And then that needs to. That has a whole other process. Right, John. It has to go to.

1076
02:07:26.440 --> 02:07:27.079
John Compton: Well, it's got.

1077
02:07:27.326 --> 02:07:29.050
marywarfield: Public hearing and all that stuff. Okay.

1078
02:07:29.360 --> 02:07:33.460
John Compton: Yeah, there's some you have to give some notices and stuff.

1079
02:07:33.780 --> 02:07:34.320
marywarfield: Okay.

1080
02:07:34.320 --> 02:07:34.860
Peter Nagrod: Okay.

1081
02:07:38.760 --> 02:07:49.100
John Compton: All right. Hearing no further discussion, we'll move to vote on, deferral all in favor of deferring till the next council meeting any opposed.

1082
02:07:49.100 --> 02:07:49.465
Peter Nagrod: Nope.

1083
02:07:49.830 --> 02:07:53.479
John Compton: Rob is not voting, he's missing. So 5. Oh.

1084
02:07:54.030 --> 02:07:56.944
John Compton: all right, we have moving on.

1085
02:07:58.540 --> 02:08:01.919
John Compton: which I think brings us to the Council. Reports.

1086
02:08:04.160 --> 02:08:28.973
John Compton: okay. Well, I picked out, as usual a few things of note. One from the gateway committee. Peter's report that they did a walkthrough on Railroad Street, with a view toward improvements along Railroad Street to better define the town and make it more

1087
02:08:29.880 --> 02:08:32.189
John Compton: A parent that is part of Washington Grove.

1088
02:08:33.640 --> 02:08:59.760
John Compton: also from Peter on the maintenance. Of course that was this was about the snow and ice, and Peter wanted to emphasize that it was a maintenance challenge and but that Rj. Was extremely responsive in in plowing early. And, you know, coming back and putting on sand. And most recently, you know some salt, so

1089
02:09:01.900 --> 02:09:03.270
John Compton: worth worth noting

1090
02:09:03.860 --> 02:09:32.070
John Compton: recreation. This really is Eva. And this is just announcing that a playground work group under the Recreation Committee. An ad hoc group has been has been started being led by Oscar Ramos, and Eva will be the liaison and the view. The idea is to put forth a playground proposal.

1091
02:09:32.525 --> 02:09:40.090
John Compton: One of one of which is to how to spend, how to, how to get, how to place some new equipment in the playground.

1092
02:09:41.720 --> 02:09:54.070
John Compton: And of course, that affects the budgeting for next year. But also Oscar put together a a slide

1093
02:09:54.350 --> 02:09:58.659
John Compton: document which is accessible to everyone. I put the link in the agenda.

1094
02:09:58.960 --> 02:10:17.129
John Compton: which goes through a variety of information and concerns and thoughts on the playground, which is very helpful. I think he's expanded it since the 1st version.

1095
02:10:18.215 --> 02:10:25.409
John Compton: So that's that's that's something where that's going on current.

1096
02:10:26.300 --> 02:10:29.814
John Compton: The Hpc. From Barbara. 2 items.

1097
02:10:30.590 --> 02:10:40.139
John Compton: one is that the Hpc. Intends to bring a proposal to the to the Council to install some commemorative signage

1098
02:10:40.480 --> 02:10:46.850
John Compton: at certain historic locations where buildings, such as the Men's Club.

1099
02:10:47.160 --> 02:10:52.800
John Compton: which are no longer there, and several other places, I believe.

1100
02:10:52.930 --> 02:11:00.140
John Compton: so that work is moving along. I think they'll probably request money for this in the coming budget.

1101
02:11:01.270 --> 02:11:07.590
John Compton: and also the Hpc. Has taken on a review of

1102
02:11:08.110 --> 02:11:19.830
John Compton: of the Progress in converting all of the town's historical records and information to electronic form and making sure it's organized and accessible.

1103
02:11:20.130 --> 02:11:34.950
John Compton: A fair amount of paper has been transferred to archives in the State, and also prioritizing. You know, the work of our town archivist, Pat Petula, possibly with

1104
02:11:35.290 --> 02:11:38.819
John Compton: with providing some additional help there.

1105
02:11:38.940 --> 02:11:46.339
John Compton: But this is something I think we can look ahead, head to for for the coming year.

1106
02:11:47.640 --> 02:11:53.180
John Compton: and that's all I pulled out. Does anybody have anything they'd like to say?

1107
02:11:53.460 --> 02:11:57.230
John Compton: It didn't come up in from their council reports.

1108
02:11:58.720 --> 02:12:00.503
Peter Nagrod: Yeah, I went. Oh, Crisco.

1109
02:12:01.585 --> 02:12:05.470
Kriss Grisham: Just a quick note in a town hall.

1110
02:12:05.670 --> 02:12:28.629
Kriss Grisham: We had a inspection of the burners, or the boilers, or whatever, and they passed with pretty much flying colors. So you know, there's always been a fear, I guess, especially about this time of year, that we may have to replace the heating system for the Town Hall, but it seems like we're good to go for now until something, Major.

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02:12:32.524 --> 02:12:37.450
Peter Nagrod: John. I was just gonna mention that I had said at our last meeting that I was going to be tonight

1112
02:12:37.770 --> 02:12:48.679
Peter Nagrod: putting forward a an ordinance change request for the commercial corner as far as the

1113
02:12:49.640 --> 02:12:54.269
Peter Nagrod: making it for residential and for flexibility in the leasing. And

1114
02:12:54.770 --> 02:13:01.460
Peter Nagrod: that's obviously not happening tonight, but at the next meeting I'd like to do that, and what I'll do is send out to the Council.

1115
02:13:01.820 --> 02:13:22.039
Peter Nagrod: So within the next 2 weeks on what that looks like. And as John knows, we're meeting with the owner of the property, they sent me an email a couple of days ago. They are very, very. You know, they're excited. They really want to do this. It's not just buying the sky. And I've gotten so many comments from different town residents.

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02:13:22.040 --> 02:13:36.509
Peter Nagrod: The word coffee shop keeps coming up all the time, but people are very, very enthused, so I want to. As Mary wants to get the vacant houses keep moving. I'd like to, just, you know, get this thing moving also. So I'm making the commitment at the next meeting

1117
02:13:36.540 --> 02:13:40.409
Peter Nagrod: for us to look at that. I'm hoping we can kind of get that thing going.

1118
02:13:43.570 --> 02:13:44.280
John Compton: Right.

1119
02:13:44.490 --> 02:13:48.989
John Compton: Okay, all right. Anybody.

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Peter Nagrod: Yeah, love it. Popper love it! Popper.

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02:13:53.560 --> 02:13:54.340
Kriss Grisham: Yeah, yeah.

1122
02:13:54.340 --> 02:13:57.240
John Compton: Eternal is what Peter's telling us

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02:14:00.460 --> 02:14:02.409
Kriss Grisham: One quick mention that I forgot

1124
02:14:03.470 --> 02:14:10.240
Kriss Grisham: is congratulations to the Meadows Committee for becoming a permanent standing committee.

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02:14:10.950 --> 02:14:12.780
Kriss Grisham: I just want to put that out there. Thank you.

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02:14:12.780 --> 02:14:13.320
marywarfield: Right.

1127
02:14:16.130 --> 02:14:19.447
John Compton: Okay. This brings us to

1128
02:14:20.250 --> 02:14:27.799
John Compton: to adjournment. If there's no further matters anyone cares to raise.

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02:14:27.910 --> 02:14:35.700
John Compton: I'll just remind everybody we're going to be utilizing Robert's rules of order. Fumbling may maybe hopefully

1130
02:14:36.920 --> 02:14:43.860
John Compton: not awful fumbling, but we'll we'll try and make that work. Starting with the next meeting, and

1131
02:14:44.050 --> 02:14:48.190
John Compton: to this meeting was a good trial run, because, you know, the.

1132
02:14:48.560 --> 02:14:51.579
Kathy Lehman: Wow! It's not even 10 o'clock. Good job, John.

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02:14:51.580 --> 02:14:52.060
marywarfield: Alright!

1134
02:14:52.060 --> 02:14:52.470
marywarfield: Well.

1135
02:14:53.160 --> 02:14:58.992
John Compton: Yeah, we got the motions ahead of time. Everybody thought of it. So there's a lot of administrative stuff.

1136
02:14:59.590 --> 02:15:06.349
Kathy Lehman: When I when I got the agenda today, I thought we'd have to be in our pajamas.

1137
02:15:06.760 --> 02:15:07.450
marywarfield: Right.

1138
02:15:08.560 --> 02:15:17.117
Peter Nagrod: Yeah, hey? You know. One thing that we didn't mention was on Sunday night most of you were there Liz set up Alan's

1139
02:15:17.870 --> 02:15:33.939
Peter Nagrod: tribute in the in the circle, and I have never been to something. That touching it was. It was really spectacular, and it was so good to see all the growers out there, so we should give a shout out to Liz for organizing that and offering her hospitality.

1140
02:15:34.180 --> 02:15:38.139
Kathy Lehman: Yeah, big loss.

1141
02:15:38.360 --> 02:15:40.639
Peter Nagrod: Yes, no!

1142
02:15:42.120 --> 02:15:43.050
Peter Nagrod: Alright.

1143
02:15:43.050 --> 02:15:44.070
John Compton: Okay. Everybody.

1144
02:15:44.580 --> 02:15:45.030
Barbara: You.

1145
02:15:45.310 --> 02:15:45.900
Kathy Lehman: Thank you. John.

1146
02:15:45.900 --> 02:15:47.409
Barbara: Everybody. Thank you.

1147
02:15:47.410 --> 02:15:48.690
Peter Nagrod: Thanks, guys, good night.

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marywarfield: Bye.